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Originally Posted by erect
You say "What's the difference between 10 trillion and 11 trillion dollars of deficit"
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No, I say
Stop Putting Word in my Mouth. I'm saying I don't give a fuck if I spend some extra cash to keep the economy that I RELY on alive.
How the
fuck does me saying I don't mind paying the extra taxes that are a part of his plan imply I would like an extra trillion dollars of deficit?
That's a real mindfuck of a thought process.
(ok, I won't be a dick after this part of the post, I just have absolutely idea where you got that)
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I say "1 trillion dollars". To prove this is a shit ton of money I'll spell it out for you
1,000,000,000,000
That a million times a million
If I honestly thought Obama would be good for the economy I would swallow my pride and vote for him ... because you're right, that's by far the most important problem we have. The fact is, his policies will make spending go through the roof, which does terrible things for an already weak dollar. So I ask you, How is he going to help our economy???
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- Taxing those making $250,000 or more keeps the middle class purchasing, and despite what McCain says will not damage the small business economy. I don't know about a lot of people doing well on this board, but I know my own spending habits don't vary drastically after my income passes a certain level.
Do I like more money? Yeah. But a bit less money does not necessarily affect my spending habits(to a certain point obviously). Now once again, remember that although I'm getting taxed more I also get more sales because people are willing to part with their money.
- Oil prices are going to continue going up. The idea of heavily investing in renewable energy then reselling it to other industrial nations is a really. fucking. good. idea. It costs a substantial amount to create a solid infrastructure for that, so we could more or less hold a monopoly on it for quite awhile. Not many places will be able to round up the funding necessary to compete. As long as we're below the price of gas and have a solid method of distribution, we're solid.
Additionally, it gives us the ability to put a financial squeeze on oil producing nations we may have conflicts with by lowering our own prices to undercut them. Oh yeah, and this entire thing creates jobs.
- If you look at the polls, the public has a much higher confidence in Obama to deal with the economic situation. The confidence of the public is absolutely important to an economy. If people are more confident/less afraid of losing their asses, they don't restrict their buying habits to campbell's soup.
That's not everything, but we both know it's impossible to cover one of the most complex financial situations our country has ever faced in a forum post. And even if it was, I would not be qualified to be the one typing it. No one here would. Or else we'd be running for prez, not voting.
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As it stands, neither the democratic or republican candidate is good for our situation. So while my beliefs are very close to republican (self responsibility, no handouts, small gov't, ...), I'll pay very close attention on election day to which 3rd party candidate is getting the most votes ... and I'll vote for him. This probably means Chuck Baldwin gets my vote as many RonPaulites will be checking his box. Yes, I realize he won't win but at least I'm working towards a better future instead of voting for just another lying politician like the rest of the sheeple.
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this (edit:errr the first part)I can agree with. If I'm being completely honest, I know neither party is perfect for this situation. There's a lot of things to be done. Politicians won't agree to most, and people would approve of even less.
That said, I feel that the symbolic 3rd party vote is part of what is wrong with this country right now.
I feel like the situation right now is bad enough that the time for symbolism is completely over. Symbols are just that, symbols. Indicators or reminders of a concept/idea. They are not actions or even planning. And right now, those are what we need. We need to sit down, iron out a real plan, and hit it balls to the wall. Either that or we're fucked.
I've rarely met a 3rd party voter who wasn't at least pretty well informed on the issues, and it fucking sucks that some of the few people in this country that know their head from their ass politically are wasting a vote on a symbol rather than actually trying to help us figure out which of the realistic candidates is going to at least have a decent chance of success.
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Originally Posted by LazyHippy
So people should judge you based on what say your affiliate manager, or any other business associate, did 30 years ago?
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Agreed. It was 1968 when the weathermen were formed.
I have VERY straightlaced relatives who were dropping acid and enjoying the free love in a hippy van back then.