First of all I am an agnostic. There is no "firm" evidence of any "Creator" but that doesn't mean one theoretically couldn't exist. Evolution though makes more sense than the conventional "Loving Creator" who sits in the clouds keeping score on his laptop like we're all a fucking PPC campaign AND there is very solid evidence of evolution all around us.
I can agree with your statement that man has a "creator" or in other words something in time created the possibility for us to exist. If this was some "old man in the sky" he really fucked up bad.
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PREMISE [A]: Everything that man has observed in the natural world has a proven creator
(the scientific can proves this)
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Exactly Science proves we all come from somewhere natural aka "NOT GOD" we are decendants of our Mother and Father, Grandfathers Grandmothers etc... all the way back to when life was created.
Evolution explains so much about how we got to where we are today, but it doesn't explain how life started in the first place.
How was life created on earth? I have no idea but I am willing to bet my "Eternal Soul" it had nothing to do with Jesus, Adam and Eve, or Satan.
Basically it comes down to this. I don't deny there could be a "creator" as that could be a logical theory, but to say this "creator" loves everyone etc... and embrace any kind of religion is NOT thinking logically because I can disprove a loving god with your formula simply by observation.
If "god" loved everyone equally we would all live in a utopia and there would be no sickness, pain, suffering, death etc..
We can observe this because a Parent (God) who loves their child or creation (Us) with all there heart, aka unconditional love, will do everything they can to help their child succeed and live a happy life.
Sure you can say, "Then explain why same crazy lady in the news killed her child!"
And to that I would say love is action. If you unconditionally love your child you will not let him or her suffer needlessly when you have it in your power to help him.
Therefore we can conclude that if a Mother kills her child or lets her child suffer needlessly she is either:
A Insane
or
B: Does not love her child.
So using the formula you provided
A. If we observe a loving parent they would never let their child suffer needlessly.
B. We see the world we live in and see rampant disease and tons of fucked up shit that shouldn't exist if we all had an "all powerful" LOVING parent watching over and protecting all of us because we can observe that a loving parent doesn't let her child suffer needlessly.
C. Therefore "god" or the creator must not love us.
Sure this doesn't disprove that something may have "created" us, but to believe this being loves or cares for us is completely illogical when you observe the world around us.
Basically any organized religion that teaches that this "Creator" loves or cares about us is bullshit.
And until Jesus appears to me, google slaps me across my face, tells me he is real, AND heals all the amputees of the world I will not believe.
And if he really loves me and doesn't want me to go to hell he will appear. If he doesn't appear and tells me he's real, then the obviously conclusion is he doesn't love or care about me which makes the BIBLE UNTRUE.
(But if by some chance he does appear to me, I will promptly check into the nearest mental institution)
-Trigger