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Old 06-04-2009, 03:07 AM   #1251
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Wow..sat through and read 90% of the thread..sucks that it started off with so much excitement and ended up like this. Is CPC advertising < CPM on FB? Considering targeting a market on there and giving it a shot.
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Old 06-04-2009, 03:10 AM   #1252
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Wow..sat through and read 90% of the thread..sucks that it started off with so much excitement and ended up like this. Is CPC advertising < CPM on FB? Considering targeting a market on there and giving it a shot.
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Old 06-04-2009, 02:51 PM   #1253
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I spent an hour submitting ads earlier and now all 60 have been disapproved. Reason being 'sexually orientated dating', how the fuck in any way is this sexual: Singlesnet.com

I guess FB is still being run by retards, nothing changed there.
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I spent an hour submitting ads earlier and now all 60 have been disapproved. Reason being 'sexually orientated dating', how the fuck in any way is this sexual: Singlesnet.com

I guess FB is still being run by retards, nothing changed there.
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I had an opportunity to talk to a number of people in the FB ad department and they are well aware of this problem exploding over the last 3 weeks. It's being done by affiliates to try to screw other affiliates.

FB is going after the guys doing this full force ie criminal charges and all because the people doing this are hacking FBs system. One guy talked with me in quite delight about how he's been gathering the information. He told me all about this little turd that thinks he is safe in net cafes but they have managed to link him to hacking there site.

So for you guys doing this, you've been reading this thread and laughing so far I'm sure. I hope you enjoy your stay in pound me in the ass federal prision for cyber crime.

Edit: Oh and I got the impression that they do know how to fix it but are pretty much letting it go on so they can catch these guys for now. Although they never flat out said that of course.
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Powell is right on here. Fbook employees have been working around the clock, literally, to collect the data necessary to take action.

I'm glad their finally doing something right.
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I'm glad to hear FB is on it, but it's still costing us cash to "let things go". I assume we won't be compensated for helping them nab these fuckers.
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wow....fucking greedy fucks!!.....screwing everybody else...when in the end...they the ones gonna get screwed the hardest!!..
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Edit: Oh and I got the impression that they do know how to fix it but are pretty much letting it go on so they can catch these guys for now. Although they never flat out said that of course.
If they could fix it and the problem would be sorted for ever they clearly would.
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Old 06-04-2009, 06:48 PM   #1260
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All good, but as spliffic said, what about us getting banged for now.......? and the 5 clicks per IP rule is bs...
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I've noticed the same discrepancies between charged and reported clicks.
On the top of that i also do have non geographic targeted users (for example peoples from Norway when your demographic is focused United States).

It's good to know that apparently they're doing something i just hope that it's true and that we'll see results of these investigations pretty soon.

But when you see FB policies about artificial minimum CPC i do personally consider that they are on the same side as the MF doing click fraud.
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Old 06-04-2009, 07:33 PM   #1262
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It's going to be pretty shameful on Facebook's part now if they don't refund the money. Especially if they're seen to of gone after the perpetrators. I've spent a fair bit of money with them in the last few months and knew some days the traffic was questionable.

Surely it will still be fraud for facebook to use the "if you know about it and have the traffic logs to prove it, we'll refund you" scenario?

Of course I should keep my fingers crossed for the best possible resolution which is a massive credit or repayment for the fake traffic. In the end it won't actually cost facebook if they just credit my account but boosts CPC for them.
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I am getting 20% fraud clicks. I don't know should I pause or not since I am still making money.
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why pause? you have a problem with earning money?

now if you was losing money...
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now if you was losing money...
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now if you was losing money...
No one has a problem earning money, but people do have a problem with their ROI being unnecessarily cut by a large proportion.
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im so not advertising w/ fb
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I'm still amazed at how you guys were able to get such ads through... urgh.. can someone please teach me? i'll you a beer...
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I wish I could get ads like that approved...
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Old 06-05-2009, 04:29 PM   #1271
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...and just how did mashable get those ads....can u say "scraper"....
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If you are seeing 15% discrepancy between what 202 is reporting and what you are seeing in facebook - guess what, it's because prosper doesn't record 100% of clicks. The discrepancy is because of the 202 tracking system, not facebook. As far as the fraud incoming clicks from Netscape - that's some weird shit. I would like to hear an official response from Facebook about this..
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If you are seeing 15% discrepancy between what 202 is reporting and what you are seeing in facebook - guess what, it's because prosper doesn't record 100% of clicks. The discrepancy is because of the 202 tracking system, not facebook. As far as the fraud incoming clicks from Netscape - that's some weird shit. I would like to hear an official response from Facebook about this..
You are wrong.

Although Prosper202 may not record 100% of clicks, it does not leave out 15%-25% of clicks. I have verified this by using multiple tracking programs simultaneously.

All the tracking programs I have tried give me similar results to prosper202. Sure, there may be a 20 click discrepancy, but not a 20% discrepancy.
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If you are seeing 15% discrepancy between what 202 is reporting and what you are seeing in facebook - guess what, it's because prosper doesn't record 100% of clicks. The discrepancy is because of the 202 tracking system, not facebook. As far as the fraud incoming clicks from Netscape - that's some weird shit. I would like to hear an official response from Facebook about this..
This is experienced by not just those that use 202. When in doubt, look at your raw apache logs - which I did. The result: 15% - 20% clicks never make it to my LP. Clearly a case of click-fraud going on. Tested on 3 different servers at 3 different DCs (not a network issue).
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If you are seeing 15% discrepancy between what 202 is reporting and what you are seeing in facebook - guess what, it's because prosper doesn't record 100% of clicks. The discrepancy is because of the 202 tracking system, not facebook. As far as the fraud incoming clicks from Netscape - that's some weird shit. I would like to hear an official response from Facebook about this..

you are so wrong its not even funny

and in other news, one of my friends just forwarded me an email he got from facebook. Not about the problems of course but instead something this awesome:

Hello,

I wanted to reach out to you today to let you know there could be potential fluctuations in your ad delivery on Monday for specific ads targeted to females in the US. We got word that an advertiser is coming in on Monday with a significant bid that will use the majority of inventory targeted to females in the US. If you are targeting this set, your impressions will be impacted for this one day. If your target includes this set (is not targeted exclusively), your ad should not be impacted.

In addition, We'd like to reconnect with you to see if I could help improve your Facebook advertising experience for your future ad campaigns. In the last few weeks, we’ve released a number of new product features including:

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I'm done with facebook. I can't even begin to describe how fucked up that is.
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you are so wrong its not even funny

and in other news, one of my friends just forwarded me an email he got from facebook. Not about the problems of course but instead something this awesome:

Hello,

I wanted to reach out to you today to let you know there could be potential fluctuations in your ad delivery on Monday for specific ads targeted to females in the US. We got word that an advertiser is coming in on Monday with a significant bid that will use the majority of inventory targeted to females in the US. If you are targeting this set, your impressions will be impacted for this one day. If your target includes this set (is not targeted exclusively), your ad should not be impacted.

In addition, We'd like to reconnect with you to see if I could help improve your Facebook advertising experience for your future ad campaigns. In the last few weeks, we’ve released a number of new product features including:

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I'm done with facebook. I can't even begin to describe how fucked up that is.
LoL, that is so fucking gay. "You will get jack shit for just this one day because we have a big player that wants to suckup all the adspace for that day. You'll just have to suck it up for then".

Unprofessionalism and lack of transparency at it's best.
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that would explain lack of impressions for some days where ctr and cpcs are all steady and regular
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one thing i've learned is that it seems like lowering bids = way more bullshit apps.facebook.com traffic.
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The only way we can get this fixed up as soon as possible is to start a facebook group, and get as many people to join as possible. Then send the group link to all the big tech news sites and mass digg it to get some attention from the media. As of now I stopped my 5 digits daily spending because the profit margin just went shit.
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No one from the media is going to give a flying fuck that a few people need to pay a little bit more for advertising, and they're not going to understand it either.
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Wtf is up with that FB email. I got it too. I found it weird that they even mentioned it. Did they strike some special deal with the advertise who will pay a certain bid amount, why would they bother telling us? I guess we will see who this advertiser is when they launch.
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Maybe the click bots will get click crazy on the new advertiser.

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I thought it was cool they at least gave us a heads up about Monday. Basically the advertiser is bidding so ridiculously high that they are going to dominate Monday. I wonder who it is. Bing maybe?

No doubt they are going to see a massive discrepancy in their clicks.
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Tracking 202 is telling me 11 clicks....Facebook is telling me 145. That's way off the 15-20%, is there a different margin for tracking 202 than there is prosper 202 or did I suffer from one of those click bots?
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Ok Great. I direct link the offer just to make sure

Facebook: 0.2% CTR 165 clicks
Network: 105 clicks

It was still early when I paused this ads.
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you are so wrong its not even funny

and in other news, one of my friends just forwarded me an email he got from facebook. Not about the problems of course but instead something this awesome:

Hello,

I wanted to reach out to you today to let you know there could be potential fluctuations in your ad delivery on Monday for specific ads targeted to females in the US. We got word that an advertiser is coming in on Monday with a significant bid that will use the majority of inventory targeted to females in the US. If you are targeting this set, your impressions will be impacted for this one day. If your target includes this set (is not targeted exclusively), your ad should not be impacted.

In addition, We'd like to reconnect with you to see if I could help improve your Facebook advertising experience for your future ad campaigns. In the last few weeks, we’ve released a number of new product features including:

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I'm done with facebook. I can't even begin to describe how fucked up that is.
Have the bid prices already spiked for you guys as well for this type of traffic? I've seen my suggested bid almost double overnight.
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Ok Great. I direct link the offer just to make sure

Facebook: 0.2% CTR 165 clicks
Network: 105 clicks

It was still early when I paused this ads.
since 15-20% of the traffic won't hit your server (or the network) this isn't surprising.

Sucks how high the numbers are today. Its clear the problem is getting worse daily.

I've moved most of my shit off facebook for the time being and magically my shit is all positive again.

Crazy how that works. There are lots of places to buy traffic, some that will even actually give you the traffic you are paying for.

Facebook is never going to admit to whats going on. I can almost guarantee you that.
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Have the bid prices already spiked for you guys as well for this type of traffic? I've seen my suggested bid almost double overnight.

I had suggested bids as high as 91 cents last week for certain 500k + demos. There is no way on earth that's from natural bidding / click patterns.
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I do get ads like that approved.
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I had suggested bids as high as 91 cents last week for certain 500k + demos. There is no way on earth that's from natural bidding / click patterns.
Yeah that's about what I'm seeing now - Crap. Loved Face book but I guess I'll have to put it down for now. Changing all my bids to .03 until the click bots and crazy prices blow over.
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Sorry killer, but they do in fact get approved.
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Its really nice being profitable again this weekend by not running my old ads on facebook.

I should have done this long ago. Thank you click fraud monkeys and thank you facebook incompetence.
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Are FB interns super poking each other or what? ....motherfuckin' 10hrs since I submittted some ads and still waiting. Do they take Sundays off or what?
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After about 12 hours, my two legit ads were finally approved. Impressions haven't even started though. Usually it floods in super quick. Anyone know what's going on?
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Unless your ROI is really high, whats the point of running ads if Facebook is going to screw you on the clicks anyway.

I ran a campaign this morning, I got 197 actual visitors. Facebook charged me for 403 clicks. What the fuck.
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Had to shut some low ROI campaigns down because of the click fraud. Weak.
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Looks like TNT is taking all the female demo Facebook traffic today. I saw all 3 locations with a different TNT ad and when you check the ad board, the only thing there is one more TNT ad.
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Looks like TNT is taking all the female demo Facebook traffic today. I saw all 3 locations with a different TNT ad and when you check the ad board, the only thing there is one more TNT ad.
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