Why are coders so unreliable??? - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum

SilentPen · 12-19-2009, 08:50 PM

What the hell is it with coders who like to disappear? How about this - I need coders on a near-daily basis. If you're a coder, and by that I mean PSD->HTML, XHTML, CSS, please list (or pm) your typical hours available (aka best times to reach you), any screennames that you wouldn't mind being reached on to discuss projects, and your typical price for a one page LP. I'd like to have a fairly large list, so that I can find someone quickly when needed.

[Note - YES I "tried the search function" already. In fact, I've contacted about a dozen coders today, or rather, TRIED contacting them. No one is around.]

fixie · 12-20-2009, 05:32 AM

I'm online 14/7 from 10am until midnight. Central European Time (UTC+01:00).
AIM/YMS: senorfixie
MSN/G-Talk/E-Mail: [email protected]
Prices start from $40, but if it's a simple page like Criminal Country then I would charge about $30.

As for the reliability, heh, I used to say to people that I could code a page within a day of receiving the psd file but that's not always possible (I've had only 4 requests for coding a page within a day and only once I met the deadline). So turnaround is about 2-3 days.
Or just message me and I will tell you my availability and amount of time for work on current projects.

HBZSoftware.com · 12-20-2009, 05:40 AM

PSD to HTML, PSD to XHTML | PSD2HTML

It's definitely expensive compared to some of the guys here. But I'd rather spend $150 and not waste time than spend three hours looking for someone who will do it for $50.

HBZSoftware.com · 12-20-2009, 05:41 AM

I should add that I've worked with fixie and he's as good as PSD2HTML.com.

brentdev · 12-20-2009, 06:04 AM

speed, cost, quality.. pick two you can't have three.....

SilentPen · 12-20-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by brentdev

speed, cost, quality.. pick two you can't have three.....

As a graphic designer and a writer, I'm well aware of that. I don't recall asking for someone who could do it in 2 hours for $10 and have it perfect. I only asked for people who actually finish what they start, as too many coders seem to think it's acceptable business practices to accept a project, then disappear for a week or two. When I ask a coder at the beginning of a project for a turnaround time, whatever it may be, and they give me an ETA of 12 hours, I expect not to be messaging and/or emailing them 24-48 hours later asking where my files are. I don't often give coders a deadline, I let them tell me when they can have it done by.

Bofu2U · 12-20-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentPen

As a graphic designer and a writer, I'm well aware of that. I don't recall asking for someone who could do it in 2 hours for $10 and have it perfect. I only asked for people who actually finish what they start, as too many coders seem to think it's acceptable business practices to accept a project, then disappear for a week or two. When I ask a coder at the beginning of a project for a turnaround time, whatever it may be, and they give me an ETA of 12 hours, I expect not to be messaging and/or emailing them 24-48 hours later asking where my files are. I don't often give coders a deadline, I let them tell me when they can have it done by.

ETA of 12 hours on the project, or 12 hours from now? There's a big ass difference.

SilentPen · 12-20-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bofu2U

ETA of 12 hours on the project, or 12 hours from now? There's a big ass difference.

The most recent coder told me "This will take me 4 hours to complete. I've got another project to complete first, but you'll have your files within 12 hours". Unless I'm mistaken, that meant 12 hours from the time he said that.

Bofu2U · 12-20-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentPen

The most recent coder told me "This will take me 4 hours to complete. I've got another project to complete first, but you'll have your files within 12 hours". Unless I'm mistaken, that meant 12 hours from the time he said that.

Yeah, that's true.

emp · 12-20-2009, 10:04 AM

This is a weird problem that I have encountered (first- or secondhand) a lot on forums.

Does not only apply to coders though, also applies to grafx artists, writers, etc..

Only explanation I would have for this is that contracts only made by email / PM are not seen as "binding" so much as other contracts, but I really do not know.

Fun side note:
We have switched to physical documents that have to be SIGNED and sent back to us from some of our partners.
Why?
Because we had the same problem with email communication. People would say "yeah I checked and everything is working" only to come back to us a few days later, red with rage because some minor shit was out of whack. Same for contracts / technical specifications / deadlines / you name it.

You can literally see the change in attitude once they have to physically sign a document.

Also related:

::emp::

Jizzlobber · 12-20-2009, 10:06 AM

I think it really depends on what games have been recently released.

brentdev · 12-20-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentPen

As a graphic designer and a writer, I'm well aware of that. I don't recall asking for someone who could do it in 2 hours for $10 and have it perfect. I only asked for people who actually finish what they start, as too many coders seem to think it's acceptable business practices to accept a project, then disappear for a week or two. When I ask a coder at the beginning of a project for a turnaround time, whatever it may be, and they give me an ETA of 12 hours, I expect not to be messaging and/or emailing them 24-48 hours later asking where my files are. I don't often give coders a deadline, I let them tell me when they can have it done by.

My bad, that comment was actually directed at HBZSoftware.com's comment (which was right before mine).. probably should have used the quote function.

Well I agree with you 100%. As both a love and a fighter myself, i think it doesn't matter whether its a coder, copywriter, designer or even pool boy, if a deadline is agreed upon before the service begins, unless something unforeseeable occurs (at which time they should immediately contact you so that you can both work out a modified timeline) you should expect them to do their job as promised.

12-19-2009, 08:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
SilentPen I'm a GIRL, damnit. Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 236 iTrader: 16 / 100%	Why are coders so unreliable??? What the hell is it with coders who like to disappear? How about this - I need coders on a near-daily basis. If you're a coder, and by that I mean PSD->HTML, XHTML, CSS, please list (or pm) your typical hours available (aka best times to reach you), any screennames that you wouldn't mind being reached on to discuss projects, and your typical price for a one page LP. I'd like to have a fairly large list, so that I can find someone quickly when needed. [Note - YES I "tried the search function" already. In fact, I've contacted about a dozen coders today, or rather, TRIED contacting them. No one is around.] Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Follow me on Twitter to be notified when new designs go up!

12-20-2009, 05:32 AM	#2 (permalink)
fixie WF Premium Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Split, HR Posts: 383 iTrader: 28 / 97%	I'm online 14/7 from 10am until midnight. Central European Time (UTC+01:00). AIM/YMS: senorfixie MSN/G-Talk/E-Mail: [email protected] Prices start from $40, but if it's a simple page like Criminal Country then I would charge about $30. As for the reliability, heh, I used to say to people that I could code a page within a day of receiving the psd file but that's not always possible (I've had only 4 requests for coding a page within a day and only once I met the deadline). So turnaround is about 2-3 days. Or just message me and I will tell you my availability and amount of time for work on current projects. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ psd to html/css or wordpress?

12-20-2009, 05:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
HBZSoftware.com Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: LA Posts: 342 iTrader: 7 / 100%	PSD to HTML, PSD to XHTML \| PSD2HTML It's definitely expensive compared to some of the guys here. But I'd rather spend $150 and not waste time than spend three hours looking for someone who will do it for $50. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-20-2009, 05:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
HBZSoftware.com Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: LA Posts: 342 iTrader: 7 / 100%	I should add that I've worked with fixie and he's as good as PSD2HTML.com. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-20-2009, 06:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
brentdev shamwow aficionado Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 470 iTrader: 14 / 100%	speed, cost, quality.. pick two you can't have three..... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ QuietAffiliate.com

12-20-2009, 10:04 AM	#10 (permalink)
emp Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,807 iTrader: 17 / 100%	This is a weird problem that I have encountered (first- or secondhand) a lot on forums. Does not only apply to coders though, also applies to grafx artists, writers, etc.. Only explanation I would have for this is that contracts only made by email / PM are not seen as "binding" so much as other contracts, but I really do not know. Fun side note: We have switched to physical documents that have to be SIGNED and sent back to us from some of our partners. Why? Because we had the same problem with email communication. People would say "yeah I checked and everything is working" only to come back to us a few days later, red with rage because some minor shit was out of whack. Same for contracts / technical specifications / deadlines / you name it. You can literally see the change in attitude once they have to physically sign a document. Also related: ::emp:: Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Get your own Bot army! Use promo code blindape199 That's because all programmers are also ninjas.(but not all ninjas are programmers) - LogicFlux Blind Ape Seo

12-20-2009, 10:06 AM	#11 (permalink)
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