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Old 03-20-2012, 10:44 AM   #1
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Seo Google to Penalize Over-SEO'd Sites

Google to Penalize Over-SEO'd Sites | News & Opinion | PCMag.com


Interesting article, wondering how this is going to change the game. Looks like less is more now.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:51 AM   #2
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Oh this is totally going to change the game. Better give up on trying to promote sites.
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:11 PM   #3
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Not give up, just change things up a bit. Today I have seen two companies close their doors, one being BMR. Other companies are still standing. One difference I notices is where hosting took place. Hosting on the clients site seems to be the safer bet.
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What do you mean by hosting on the clients site?
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"It's also unclear as to how Google plans to "penalize" sits that over-optimize"

Penalize = Not Rank. Hmmm. This guy must have fluffed a couple sentences to make his 300+ word content rank easily on Google...
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Basically its saying you can fuck your competition by sending them crappy links as was proven by another member who de-ranked his competition recently shooting crap at his site.
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Basically its saying you can fuck your competition by sending them crappy links as was proven by another member who de-ranked his competition recently shooting crap at his site.
If this does pass and DOES work like you say... I don't see Google keeping it in action very long.

It would complete ruin the "perfect" google they're trying to make.
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It's already happening, someone else posted how they have de-ranked their competition just recently using this method.

I also noticed this as well, I had a site that was sitting top 3 for almost a year. I decided to throw a WF package at it, a pretty good one from the reviews and whammo sank to page 3. Tried to boost it with another package, then went to page 2 then back down to page 4. Now has been sitting on page 3 since. It's been about 2 months now.
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You guys need to understand the difference between "causation and correlation" before jumping to conclusions.

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BMR hosted on their own servers, yet Ledger hosts on his clients servers. Leger seems to have been immune from what just happened, of course their services are a bit different.

"causation and correlation... I am having flashbacks of my hippy Psychology teacher now...
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lol'd at that.
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You have to look at Cutt's quote:

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And we are also looking at the people who abuse it, who put too many keywords on a page, exchange way too many links, or whatever else they are doing to go beyond what you normally expect.
They were always penalizing sites that did this kind of stuff. Link exchanges and keyword stuffing were always violations of Google's wishes. They are just trying to crack down on what they refer to as blackhat marketing. From what I read there they aren't changing the way they want sites to rank, just trying to do a better job to take out the black hat sites they hate so much.
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I think Matt Cutts wants to take down competition and rank his own sites in profitable niches.
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My sites are all built for humans. My conclusions are based on facts. I am in some very competitive niches. I have a site that ranks on page one for about 75 terms. I did some recent SEO for one of the keywords using WF package. Sank down and has continued to be in the dumps since. This was supposedly one of the best packages on WF as well, not cheap and high quality.

What I suggested as well as another member has recently proven is that by sending crappy spam links to your competitors site you can actually hurt them. To me this new change in the algorythm looks like it can be used in some cases to "demote" your competition. It will be interesting to see if more people can prove this is true and I damn well hope its not!
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My sites are all built for humans. My conclusions are based on facts. I am in some very competitive niches. I have a site that ranks on page one for about 75 terms. I did some recent SEO for one of the keywords using WF package. Sank down and has continued to be in the dumps since. This was supposedly one of the best packages on WF as well, not cheap and high quality.

What I suggested as well as another member has recently proven is that by sending crappy spam links to your competitors site you can actually hurt them. To me this new change in the algorythm looks like it can be used in some cases to "demote" your competition. It will be interesting to see if more people can prove this is true and I damn well hope its not!
Will be funny if now service providers start to show rank charts of sites dropping instead of rising. 'From #1 to nowhere!'
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My sites are all built for humans. My conclusions are based on facts. I am in some very competitive niches. I have a site that ranks on page one for about 75 terms. I did some recent SEO for one of the keywords using WF package. Sank down and has continued to be in the dumps since. This was supposedly one of the best packages on WF as well, not cheap and high quality.

What I suggested as well as another member has recently proven is that by sending crappy spam links to your competitors site you can actually hurt them. To me this new change in the algorythm looks like it can be used in some cases to "demote" your competition. It will be interesting to see if more people can prove this is true and I damn well hope its not!
Your taking one factor (i bought a package on WF) and suggesting that is the reason for your drop, when in fact there are hundreds of other factors at play, most of which you do not know about or can comprehend.

It's just not logical to make assumptions like that. It is ignorant at best and borderline retarded to think otherwise.

You are correlating separate incidents and suggesting that they are in fact related. When you have no real proof other than the fact that you "think so" and some other guy on a Internet forum said he did something too.

This is your thought process:

"One week in college I ate nothing but pizza for an entire week and I lost weight. Therefore, pizza makes you lose weight."
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:41 AM   #18
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Read about this article but any sure how what does over seo link building defines ? is there any specific number ?
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Old 03-24-2012, 04:49 AM   #19
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Your taking one factor (i bought a package on WF) and suggesting that is the reason for your drop, when in fact there are hundreds of other factors at play, most of which you do not know about or can comprehend.

It's just not logical to make assumptions like that. It is ignorant at best and borderline retarded to think otherwise.

You are correlating separate incidents and suggesting that they are in fact related. When you have no real proof other than the fact that you "think so" and some other guy on a Internet forum said he did something too.

This is your thought process:

"One week in college I ate nothing but pizza for an entire week and I lost weight. Therefore, pizza makes you lose weight."
Negative SEO is a real thing, certain links imo will hurt your site. I have seen it a number of times. I am very certain that a package I bought here diminished my rankings for a certain keyterm. I don't think it's coincidence after two years of ranking on the first page for a term and the entire last year as #3 that within a few days of my package being completed my site dropped 3 pages down for that specific keyterm. There may be other factors but EVERY other term that is on the first page for one of my sites (which is over 70 terms) are still in the SAME position. I find it hard to believe that it's just coincidence. I think you believing this isn't possible is an even more ignorant statement especially since Google themselves said this is going to happen and other members have already experimented with this.

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slacker, give it three months, if it was ALN, those links go to nothingland and disappear. You'll bounce back.
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I can't find the thread where all the SSL and the missing refferal data is, so I will just as well post this here.

Firefox is switching to ssl connection on their custom google search AND their title bar search.

Chrome will follow suit.

Opera and IE mention nothing about this yet, but probably eventually will too.

10%, huh...
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This is new..thanks for sharing buddy !
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Will be funny if now service providers start to show rank charts of sites dropping instead of rising. 'From #1 to nowhere!'
I have bitchin chart of my site doing that fuck yeah just dump some ALN links and watch it tank... but first it was #1 for a few days I wish I knew better novice mistake... psh
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slacker, give it three months, if it was ALN, those links go to nothingland and disappear. You'll bounce back.
I hope your right!

So in a few months should I submit to webmater tools for reconsideration?

I got slammed down to #40 a few days ago and now dancing around #20
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do a case study, try bringing down case density to like .5 or less and maybe using outside seo (link building) for your desired keyword? Im seeing alotta sites rank for keys based on anchor, and little to do with content. just my thoughts,
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I can't find the thread where all the SSL and the missing refferal data is, so I will just as well post this here.

Firefox is switching to ssl connection on their custom google search AND their title bar search.

Chrome will follow suit.

Opera and IE mention nothing about this yet, but probably eventually will too.

10%, huh...
thanks for the information..
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Oh this is totally going to change the game. Better give up on trying to promote sites.
Don't worry, just dont use the keywords too often in the pages, don't make all links at once...
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Rankings have been bouncing around a bit still, how is everyone doing with the recent updates? Funny thing is that inner pages that weren't ranking before for certain keywords are now on the first page and my main url is bouncing around for those keywords. Even some old pages that I haven't updated in a long time or done any seo on are ranking better than main page.
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To get your site back from penguin or panda do these things it probably help.

Change/edit keywords and tags
Focus on On-site SEO (heading, metatags, keywords, meta description)
Make new strategy for offline SEO.(Link diversity, Blog comments, Web 2.0& ETC)
Wait and see result

Hope it help

P.s I tried it.
P.ss: I've seen result
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I think Matt Cutts wants to take down competition and rank his own sites in profitable niches.
LOL!
Yes Man , It Seems like that .
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guys, its all about link velocity. all my sites rank perfectly fine in top3 results.
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Google is removing poor quality sites,
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guys, its all about link velocity. all my sites rank perfectly fine in top3 results.
I disagree, Im looking at some titties. So im going to have to say its all about titties..
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Is there any scale to measure optimization? What is over optimization then?
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There's a tool on IBP that shows you your onsite Seo compared to your competitors.

The word over-optimisation may confuse guys but I believe that its in comparison to what your competitors are doing for a particular term.

For example supposing a new trending keyword like "venus williams is gay" came up today after she was seen kissing Queen Latifah.

You then go ahead and point 1000 wikis to your new article.

yesterday the keyword non-existent, then today you get 1000 links? That's over optimisation.

Ok not exactly like that but I hope you get the drift.

Compared to your competition. Also compared to what you've been doing before. Very simple.
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@maki, I think this probably has more to do with on-site. There are so many niches (celebrity gossip for example) where you go from having 0 links to 1000 or more links in an hour. The problem here is going to be stuffing in the titles, stuffing in the on-page text, and footer links that are overly optimized.
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One of my sites went from Page 1 to page 5/6/7, here is a case study of what I did to fix it.

articlewyz.com/penguin-recovery-using-articlewyz


Basically : Remove a lot of Onpage SEO Plugins and build more varied links.
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Damn been a while since I posted this, seems like it has all become a reality a year and a half later. Now I actually see link removal services, lol.
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Damn been a while since I posted this, seems like it has all become a reality a year and a half later. Now I actually see link removal services, lol.
Google mutters something and webmasters jump, but now they jump so high and are so scared you can package a product off the back of almost every single update that the drop.

To get ahead I might start ranking sites for

"black and white animal + penalty"

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I got hit, I don't know what's causing my problems. Shitty links most likely, lol.
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Nice articles thanks for sharing this. It makes sense for me for site optimizations.
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Three of my sites got hit too and did not recover at all despite using naked urls, generics etc. From top ranking to nowhere now.
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Three of my sites got hit too and did not recover at all despite using naked urls, generics etc. From top ranking to nowhere now.
And I thought comment spam is safe..
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I guess they already have some good sites ranked very well.
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