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Stanley · 08-06-2008, 02:21 PM

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Amazing revelations have emerged concerning already existing government plans to overhaul the way the internet functions in order to apply much greater restrictions and control over the web.

Lawrence Lessig, a respected Law Professor from Stanford University told an audience at this years Fortune’s Brainstorm Tech conference in Half Moon Bay, California, that “There’s going to be an i-9/11 event” which will act as a catalyst for a radical reworking of the law pertaining to the internet.

Lessig also revealed that he had learned, during a dinner with former government Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke, that there is already in existence a cyber equivalent of the Patriot Act, an “i-Patriot Act” if you will, and that the Justice Department is waiting for a cyber terrorism event in order to implement its provisions.....

Source: Internet Censorship is On it's Way. The i-Patriot Act - Young Famous and Fashionable

nachoninja · 08-06-2008, 02:24 PM

just watched the youtube clip, if this happens goodbye America

crossfittn · 08-06-2008, 02:36 PM

no shit.. I'm leaving the country sometime in the next decade for sure. It just keeps getting worse. Yay let's give up all our freedoms so we can be safe. yea.

Bofu2U · 08-06-2008, 02:59 PM

I'd love to see the government censor me. Looks like I'll end up selling more encryption software...

radio · 08-06-2008, 03:00 PM

Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither. - Ben Franklin

hundred dolla bills, y'all!

barman · 08-06-2008, 03:03 PM

fuck GWB and fuck our government. Bunch of no talent ass clowns.

Stanley · 08-06-2008, 03:22 PM

Put your money where your mouth is: Electronic Frontier Foundation | Defending Freedom in the Digital World

Moving outside the country won't change a thing. Guess where ICANN and ARIN are located?
The Internet is a global market, and if the US is locked down the same will happen in other countries.

JamesH · 08-06-2008, 05:23 PM

Fuck.

alexbaldwin07 · 08-06-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stanley

Put your money where your mouth is: Electronic Frontier Foundation | Defending Freedom in the Digital World

Moving outside the country won't change a thing. Guess where ICANN and ARIN are located?
The Internet is a global market, and if the US is locked down the same will happen in other countries.

well shit, there goes my italy plans

ArtDeco · 08-06-2008, 10:40 PM

I really can't say that I'm terribly surprised. But leaving the country won't help. All the old style "write your congressman and representative" stuff will help, but it is an unending battle to keep the US government out of things they have no business in.

Can you imagine how threating the Internet is to a 70+ year old politician like McCain who grew up asking the phone operator to connect him to 'John or Jane Doe' ? No control or even accountability that they can see.

They know there is money in it; and know they must follow the money, but they would love to slap a 'classified - need to know only' stamp on the whole damn thing.

productionhead · 08-07-2008, 12:32 AM

I'll look into this legislation later, but what does it mean in practical terms?

What can't I do? Examples?

damhoov · 08-08-2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by crossfittn

no shit.. I'm leaving the country sometime in the next decade for sure. It just keeps getting worse. Yay let's give up all our freedoms so we can be safe. yea.

from the looks of things, you don't have a decade.

Sticks79 · 08-08-2008, 02:55 AM

The American Gov. are nothing but fucking DOGS and they will stop at fucking nothing to have complete control over everything.

FUCK THEM!

MyOwnDemon · 08-08-2008, 03:03 AM

This is complete bullshit.

Land of the free my ass.

Drake · 08-08-2008, 10:32 AM

You know in the old days if they did this all the domainers and website owners would sue the living shit out of whoever was responsible.

But nowadays the stupid govt would give immunity to ICANN, Internet2, the US Govt and everyone else involved like they did with the telecomm FISA bill.

We need to hammer on the FISA bill and get someone to challenge its constitutionality.

Confab · 08-08-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by barman

fuck GWB and fuck our government. Bunch of no talent ass clowns.

Look, I hate GWB just as much as the next guy. But if you really think that Bush was the REAL power behind the first patriot act ... or this new thing ... you don't understand how much of a puppet the guy is.

I'd bet almost anything that the first bill was written before Bush took office ... and that Clinton had nothing to do with it.

HarveyJ · 08-11-2008, 03:03 AM

Things like the Patriot Act sit around in someone's desk draw waiting for shit like 9/11 to happen, so they can pull it out.
Damn, you think they could even TYPE that damn thing in the 20days between September 11th and it passing on October 1st?

The biggest issue with this bill is that it will have global repercussions, which it damn well shouldn't.
The internet is a global network, yet crap like this and the Snowe bill have the power to reach across the world.
As a non US citizen, as someone that is HAPPILY citizen of another 1st world country, I really resent that sort of power grab. I have enough crap to deal with my own Gov wanting to install ISP level filters to stop me looking at X rated porn because it's illegal in every state (yet the Australian Capitol Territory, where the federal government sits, it's 100% legal... funny that)

Sticks79 · 08-12-2008, 06:10 AM

hey Harvey ....shit i didnt know porn was illegal in "every" state! are you sure?

if thats the case im in trouble lol (im in NSW)

opio1 · 08-12-2008, 05:44 PM

about that time to take up arms and prepare a plan to protect yourself from our own government...

HarveyJ · 08-12-2008, 09:42 PM

Sticks: Yeah, X and XXX rated porn... It's why you only see R stuff on the shelves.
Anything that graphically depicts penetration for a prolonged period gets an X... Anything with violence get's another two.
Ironically, bondage is fine, so long as they're not having sex at the same time.
Truthfully, every porno store will have X content, you just need to ask for it, and they'll probably have it out the back and it just accidentally slipped into a shipment... XXX is a little harder.
All this is from a mate that works at a SexyLand (we've known each other from before the job. It's not a friendship of convenience, dammit! heheh).

Lord B · 08-13-2008, 06:56 AM

ICANN is fighting to break away from US Government when it JPA is due for re-negotiation. There has been a long-standing rumor about ICANN Shifting its base from US to Switzerland -- maybe it will come true some day!

Peter Thrush is a very smart lawyer from New Zealand and he isn't bowing down to US Government as of now and cleaning up the shit scattered by Vin Cert at ICANN. Let's hope he keeps his stand.

Jon · 08-13-2008, 01:40 PM

GWB is not to blame.
When McCain wins, he won't be to blame either...

They are politicians, just pawns in a much larger and grander scheme of things. Think about it from a more realistic perspective... How would a temporary (max 8yrs) leader benefit from control and power when the agencies and departments are the ones who spend their entire careers at the receiving end instead?

Is there a hidden agenda? YES. I have seen proof of it when I was consulting down in Washington DC last August.

Is there a super secret agency/dept behind it? Not really. Its a collective thing I think.

Can we fight it? Yeah, people will always fight 'big brother' and I applaud them for it.

Can these freedom fighters win? Doubtful. I say doubtful, because believe it or not... WE as a collective country, are funding them with our tax dollars. So by you funding your 'enemy' (who just so happens to rule in the lands you live in) you're just adding fuel to the fire. Their fire, in which you are going to be burned in.

The way I see things like this is that we all need to pick a side. You're either on the beneficiary end or the uphill/nearly impossible battle end. Its a bloody battle any way you cut it.

But let's be honest... posts/threads, articles, news stories, blogs, whatever type of coverage you choose, won't make a god damn difference.

One. Big. Clusterfuck.

Lord B · 08-13-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon

But let's be honest... posts/threads, articles, news stories, blogs, whatever type of coverage you choose, won't make a god damn difference.

Well said.

To quote Robert Greene (of 48 laws of power fame) when talking about Machiavelli --

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Some want to rule, others to be ruled. This is a concept that is a kind of constant subtext in the work. Even in a republic, which the Discourses is about, the majority of people want someone to do the work for them, to lead them. They are willing to sign over the governing of their city or nation to someone, in exchange for being left alone. Their energies are tied to maintaining what they have.

This concept goes much further and in interesting directions. In Machiavelli's world, people are not victims. When someone is conned out of their money, it is because they were stupid, because they did not possess the energy to be prudent, or to get what they had back. People want to be conned. On another level, those who suffer under some form of tyranny inevitably have gotten the kind of government they want or deserve. They are unconsciously implicated in the process. No one, in Machiavelli's universe is some passive actor who is acted upon and injured. There is a degree of will involved.

This is a controversial aspect to his philosophy, but one I have long ascribed to. For instance, when many on the left critique America or the Reagan or Bush administrations, they begin from this position that the powers above are actively and consciously oppressing the majority of people. We are the victims of their injustice. These thinkers' attention is focused on the corruption above--whether it is suspect foreign policy, coziness with corporate America, etc. In Machiavelli's eyes, attention should equally be focused below, on those who turn their eye away from what is going on, who ask to be lead, who want economic abundance and do not care too deeply about how it occurs. The con artist and the conned are entwined, colluding partners.

I often turn this in another direction. Instead of crying about Karl Rove and the Republicans stealing this election, or duping the public, I look at the incredibly inept campaigns being run by Gore or Kerry, and the confusion among the Democratic leadership. The Democrats were not victims, but active participants in their own defeat, brought down by incompetence. This way of looking at things makes you active and alert; you are responsible for the bad that occurs to you, and so you can always turn it around. The ruled can want to rule instead. Nothing stays the same.

^^ This is a philosophy I too subscribe to.

Sawya · 08-18-2008, 10:16 AM

if voting changed anything they'd abolish it

thunderlips · 08-18-2008, 12:37 PM

yawwwwwn

izzamaney · 08-18-2008, 11:21 PM

virtual 9/11 and a i-patriot act??

Pffffttt ya ok. Good luck with that one.

Stanley · 08-19-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon

But let's be honest... posts/threads, articles, news stories, blogs, whatever type of coverage you choose, won't make a god damn difference.

Maybe not, but pretending the problem isn't there doesn't make it go away.

Geordie · 08-19-2008, 10:17 PM

move your servers to canada now

montydad5000 · 08-19-2008, 10:23 PM

Canada, eh? I can't imagine that they would be far behind.

Sticks79 · 08-20-2008, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Geordie

move your servers to canada now

this is gonna be a worldwide thing (the illuminati ruleth the worldeth)

canada or wherever it wont maketh any differenceth <===lol'eth

izzamaney · 08-24-2008, 09:17 AM

I don't get your signature sticks

jakecohen · 08-25-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by barman

fuck GWB and fuck our government. Bunch of no talent ass clowns.

Fucking spying on us and shit. Fuck the government!

healthwriter · 09-28-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon

GWB is not to blame.
When McCain wins, he won't be to blame either...

They are politicians, just pawns in a much larger and grander scheme of things.

Got that right. Nowadays, politicians aren't the ones in control; thinktank members are running the show. Most of these people anonymous f$cks who are on power trips. That's some scary shit, there.

Eisenhower warned of something like this happening in his Military-Industrial Complex Speech.

healthwriter · 09-28-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HarveyJ

Things like the Patriot Act sit around in someone's desk draw waiting for shit like 9/11 to happen, so they can pull it out.
Damn, you think they could even TYPE that damn thing in the 20days between September 11th and it passing on October 1st?

That is a damn scary truth. There are rich idiots with powerful friends all basically sitting around, thinking of how to keep the Average Joe and Jane stuck between a rock and a hard place. Really, it's time to wipe the slate clean, get rid of these lallygagging do-nothing-but-give-themselves-raises Congress members out, and start holding our politicians accountable to us, the American citizens.

che1959 · 09-29-2008, 12:48 AM

Military Industrial Complex? I thought that went out of vogue in the 1980's and was replaced by the Bilderbergs and the Trilateral Commission.

LazyHippy · 09-29-2008, 07:03 AM

The question is are they just waiting for an i-9/11 or planning to make it happen?

UltimateJakob · 09-29-2008, 05:43 PM

It's not that bad, just think if you do everything your told to do life won't be THAT difficult. :P

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Stanley Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,418 iTrader: 3 / 100%	Put your money where your mouth is: Electronic Frontier Foundation \| Defending Freedom in the Digital World Moving outside the country won't change a thing. Guess where ICANN and ARIN are located? The Internet is a global market, and if the US is locked down the same will happen in other countries. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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ArtDeco Ex-lurker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PA USA Posts: 629 iTrader: 2 / 100%	I really can't say that I'm terribly surprised. But leaving the country won't help. All the old style "write your congressman and representative" stuff will help, but it is an unending battle to keep the US government out of things they have no business in. Can you imagine how threating the Internet is to a 70+ year old politician like McCain who grew up asking the phone operator to connect him to 'John or Jane Doe' ? No control or even accountability that they can see. They know there is money in it; and know they must follow the money, but they would love to slap a 'classified - need to know only' stamp on the whole damn thing. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ I believe in free speech like liberals used to, free markets like conservatives used to, and free software like programmers used to.

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productionhead Hard Body LLC Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,147 iTrader: 5 / 86%	I'll look into this legislation later, but what does it mean in practical terms? What can't I do? Examples? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

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Drake Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,268 iTrader: 21 / 100%	You know in the old days if they did this all the domainers and website owners would sue the living shit out of whoever was responsible. But nowadays the stupid govt would give immunity to ICANN, Internet2, the US Govt and everyone else involved like they did with the telecomm FISA bill. We need to hammer on the FISA bill and get someone to challenge its constitutionality. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

08-11-2008, 03:03 AM	#17 (permalink)
HarveyJ He is - THE CACTUS! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Melbourne - Not the one in Florida Posts: 3,906 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Things like the Patriot Act sit around in someone's desk draw waiting for shit like 9/11 to happen, so they can pull it out. Damn, you think they could even TYPE that damn thing in the 20days between September 11th and it passing on October 1st? The biggest issue with this bill is that it will have global repercussions, which it damn well shouldn't. The internet is a global network, yet crap like this and the Snowe bill have the power to reach across the world. As a non US citizen, as someone that is HAPPILY citizen of another 1st world country, I really resent that sort of power grab. I have enough crap to deal with my own Gov wanting to install ISP level filters to stop me looking at X rated porn because it's illegal in every state (yet the Australian Capitol Territory, where the federal government sits, it's 100% legal... funny that) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ After 10,000 years I'm free!

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HarveyJ He is - THE CACTUS! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Melbourne - Not the one in Florida Posts: 3,906 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Sticks: Yeah, X and XXX rated porn... It's why you only see R stuff on the shelves. Anything that graphically depicts penetration for a prolonged period gets an X... Anything with violence get's another two. Ironically, bondage is fine, so long as they're not having sex at the same time. Truthfully, every porno store will have X content, you just need to ask for it, and they'll probably have it out the back and it just accidentally slipped into a shipment... XXX is a little harder. All this is from a mate that works at a SexyLand (we've known each other from before the job. It's not a friendship of convenience, dammit! heheh). Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ After 10,000 years I'm free!

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