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At Jimbo Wales' directive, all external links within the English language Wikipedia are now coded "nofollow" -- this should help cut spamming immensely once word gets out in the SEO community.

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

kyleirwin

i knew it would happen eventually...

but... FUCK!!!!

Stanley

that sucks, but it was inevitable

jened

so any countries left that still don't have nofollow in place?

joe

That's ghey.

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drloveless

I thought they would have done it long ago.

aim

Yeah, that sucks. All those hours spent spamming wikipedia, gone to waste...

Actually I've always thought that the SE's probably already discounted external links from wikipedia to an extent anyway.

What kind of huge effect to you think this can have across the web? I mean Wikipedia is such a huge authoritative site, I bet all of their external links were serving as anchors for lots of other sites, etc..

emp

Yes, external links from wikipedia are/were discounted at some SEs already.

While this might affect SE rankings, a good spam on wikipedia will still get the follow through traffic.

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sebastya

bitches...doesnt really affect me however..lol

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Romestar

this ruined my day

aim

I have dozens of links inside Wikipedia for site which rank very well for their keywords. I'll report back if I notice a drop in SERPS from this change.

Deliguy

bitches!
its true. i know they were having a kanipshit over my posts in the editor forums. Kinda funny to read, but yeah this sucks

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thekohser

I hope the folks on this message board realize that Wikipedia ([WikiEN-l] Nofollow back on URL links on en.wikipedia.org articles for now) literally wishes death upon anyone who tries to add links for SEO purposes.

But, please don't despair. I am co-developing a new wiki directory called Centiare that is proving to me (and I hope proves to others, soon) that because we're employing semantic tagging, we're actually getting BETTER Google search results than Wikipedia gets. In fact, if you search Google for ..."largest commercial printers" Orlando... you'll discover that "Fidelity Press" comes up #2, thanks to a Centiare page about it. But there's no Wikipedia mention. Why? Because Google actually OMITS the Wikipedia result for "Fidelity Press" as a duplicate, we surmise because it "prefers" the Centiare semweb technology over the page from Wikipedia!

People, stop fighting against the children who run Wikipedia, read this (http://www.sbwire.com/news/view/10157), and this (Centiare:Search Engine Optimization) - Centiare, the free directory, and get your SEO in gear at Centiare. We would WELCOME you -- not figure out ways to ban you.

Gregory Kohs
Co-Developer, Centiare.com

aeiouy

Should have always been that way. Never really a good reason for those links to pass PR.

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stickycarrots

I just recently decided to put some links on Wikipedia. I'm glad I didn't spend much time on it...

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Um wrong

Deliguy

you're just using meedio wiki? I don't understand where your coming from.

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To answer the above question, Centiare is using MediaWiki, but a special implementation of it called "Semantic MediaWiki". Our theory (none of the principals of the project is an SEO expert) is that our use of semantic tagging in the articles (which creates these lovely RDF tables) and our encouragement of Google AdSense ads being deployed by our users (you figure Google's got to favor a site with their ads over an equally-notable site without their ads), are what help propel our directory listings to top spots on Google.

I'm afraid to say much more, because I just got a 6-month ban over on the DigitalPoint forum, just for accepting a "keyword challenge" that would help to prove or disprove whether Centiare can actually work in "commonly used" keyword searches. (They were not impressed with my couple of examples thus far.)

Greg

Deliguy

There is so many holes and things wrong with what you just said. i don't even know where to begin.


I could write entire articles on whats wrong with just those three statements. Instead i'll just let ya know that your coming on a bit strong with your promo campaign. I'd tone it down, You should be focused on getting webmasters to recommend and talk about you, not hate and be annoyed by you.

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mdm13

Ugh i was about to add something to wikipedia and i saw the highlighting from my seo firefox plugin and was like wtfffffff. Then I come here and see what the bastards have done, it still could provide some decent traffic I guess.

Atomm

I get about 30-40 uniques a day from one link on wikipedia. That usually turns a buck or so from adsense, so it's worth it for the 1 minute I spent putting it there.

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thekohser

Deliguy, I'm sorry I've annoyed you with my newbie mistakes and naive assumptions. I've actually found another SEO forum that seems to be embracing my ideas. So, I'm going to say farewell to this one. As for your advice about getting others to support our mission, we are trying:

Centiare:Reviews - Centiare, the free directory

If you do decide to "write an article" about each of my misconceptions, I'll be happy to read them and learn exactly how wrong each of my errors were.

Greg

Elephant

HAHA! you got 3 posts and you think anyone would care about you or your feelings! Go change your tampax...

aim

What!? Deliguy, you obviously haven't read the about statement on their website:

I've been waiting for a directory that facilitates SEO.

...Couldn't have said that more clear or precise myself!

I also was impressed in this press release where it states that Now I know that it doesn't state WHAT 40,000 sites have been "overtaken", however I'm sure that with the billions and billions of sites on the 'net, they were probably some pretty good ones.

This article from their Public Relations firm states that Centiare might even "peel away a subset of MySpace users." -- That's pretty big stuff!

But wait, there's more great information in this article:

It sounds like they have some sort of advanced "email authenticity" check in action here...

This is a great idea! Google will definitely rank links from this site with a ton of weight...

Finally. A search engine that I don't have to go to ALL THREE of those sites for! It's so annoying searching MySpace after I can't find it on Google... How do I get the "Semantic Web" installed on my website??

I think that about sums it up. Another great idea from the folks that brought you MyWikiBiz, where their core business model is to charge people for writing Wikipedia articles.


... I just spent way too much time on that.

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Deliguy

ROTF aim. That was frickin hilarious.
Actually its 402 results.
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well greg..................................wheres this forum you speak of?

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thekohser

So much hate. So much hate, for things you obviously don't understand. I lead a wonderful life, and I was trying to share a new opportunity for the SEO community. If you're all about criticism and hate, that's fine -- but I don't need to be a part of it. As for the forum where I'm welcome . . . I don't think they'd want you there, so I'm electing to keep that info to myself for now.

Greg

aim

Yeah, all this seo wiki stuff is way over my head. Good thing there are so many conferences out there to enlighten me on all the greatness of the semantic web.

When does your late night infomercial aire?

I really like your "Amazing SEO Example" where a google search for "West Chester church shepherd" brings Centiare to the #1 spot using the "commonly used city + keyword search method". This brings a gawd awful page with an ugly AdSense Ad, and you need to scroll down ONE WHOLE SCREEN HEIGHT in order to see the content of the page.

And for the record, nobody searches with a city + keyword syntax. Everyone and their mom would search keyword, location. Doing so in google: church shepherd West Chester brings the churches into the #1 spot, where it should be: what an amazing example.

You started your own forum huh?

Look Greg, you are not doing anything unique or revolutionary here, you're simply starting another one of several hundreds of wikimedia-based sites... If you continue to try and market toward the "SEO Community" you are just going to end up making a fool of yourself and ruining what little reputation you may have.

One last point: you seem to have missed the initial point of this thread by promoting your site, because even Centiare is no-following outbound links. If you don't know what that means, or how to change it, you shouldn't be parading around claiming to be any sort of an SEO resource.

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tke71709

Man,

I had to create an account just to flame this site.

Look at us! We rank for completely non-competitive keywords that no one searches for! Examples include Florida stone crab scientific video and “largest commercial printers” Orlando Florida (out of a whole 131 other pages as well!). Yes, many searchers do put quotes in some parts of their queries and not in others little Timmy, and there really is a Santa Claus as well.

The worst part is their strong use of bafflegab and jargon will actually convince some morons to use their service.

aim

Yeah. I suppose anyone could rank for just about any term they could imagine, as long as their wasn't any competition for it.

A little birdy told me that they might rank for the most worthless directory ever after this post.

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thekohser

For the record, among an Overture keyword selector tool search on "asbestos lawyer", I found only these "few" geography + keyword searches in the month of December:

703 texas asbestos lawyer
582 california asbestos lawyer
462 houston asbestos lawyer
353 pennsylvania asbestos lawyer
321 philadelphia asbestos lawyer
316 florida asbestos lawyer
312 dallas asbestos lawyer
310 chicago asbestos lawyer
298 new york asbestos lawyer
297 georgia asbestos lawyer
280 maryland asbestos lawyer
273 colorado asbestos lawyer

Granted, the BIG search is for "asbestos lawyer", but these geo-specific ones number in the few hundreds per city, and the geography definitely SEEMS to be positioned BEFORE the keyword. I guess the stupid people who search that way shouldn't be allowed to take their case to a local lawyer?

This was actually helpful, and I thank you for that information. We'll have to get that reversed ASAP. Obviously, I blundered in coming into this particular forum, still on my "happy pills" from what I thought were some pretty cool search results. I did modify the one Orlando search to read: largest commercial printers Orlando, which still produces a #4 result out of 1.26 million result pages on Google. I guess #4 is meaningless because I had to "cheat" with such a narrow term like "Orlando". Oh, well. Maybe actual business people in towns like Orlando (and Cincinnati, and Spokane, and Fairbanks, and Detroit, and Atlanta, etc.) will be more impressed than SEO experts.

Greg

MisterX

Woah, there...It's not "hate", it's you busting in here, honking your horn in your first post on the forum (actually forbidden in the tos), acting like you've discovered Pamela Anderson's Boobs and hijacking a perfectly valid thread.

You seriously don't see anything wrong with these posts ?!

Maybe it worked at some other (*cough* n00bish or just way too polite *cough*) place, but you won't become a shepherd to these sheep here...

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