CLOSED THREADS.. READ HERE

[zingo]

As you can see changes have been implemented You Bitched, We Listened. Sorta..


UPDATE: All threads have been closed.

You must create a new thread and the fee will be applied.

Admins have informed me that new threads will be LIVE for 10 days, then will close, and another thread will need to be created after it closes and you will have to reference your old thread for any past activity.

This is all I know at this time.

Another UPDATE: I do not have any thing to do with payment processing/PayPal , I am getting P.M's asking me to fix issues with payment you need to get in touch with the Admins for any and all issues with payment.

[botwiz]

Thanks for the update, that was quick! Sending in payment for both of mine right now.

Thanks again!

BW

[zingo]

If I did not answer your p.m's this thread is the answer, I got shit tons of p.m's if you can believe it ..

[seocoach]

how much fee for one thread ?

[d3t0x]

it's $36, sent you a PM zingo.

[botwiz]

Dropped you a PM and hope to reactivate my old threads.

Again thanks for your help Zingo!

[masterjani]

After payment, Is there any chance to re-open closed threads.

[talibali]

Originally Posted by zingo

You must create a new thread and the fee will be applied.

What is fee to open a new thread in SBT section?

[charlie.simm]

Originally Posted by botwiz

Dropped you a PM and hope to reactivate my old threads.

Again thanks for your help Zingo!

Originally Posted by masterjani

After payment, Is there any chance to re-open closed threads.

I'm interested in the same thing but won't send a PM since I don't want to overwhelm the poor guy (I wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now)

Zingo, I'd recommend asking one of the admins to drop by and explain what will happen to the old threads and whether or not it's possible to reactivate 'em.

All of the established WF sellers are obviously interested in this and I'm sure I don't have to explain why. I don't mind paying $36/$72/whatever but want to make it perfectly clear that since a SBT thread is basically your business card as a seller (I mean come on, even the world's biggest idiot can manipulate the iTrader system), established service providers want to keep theirs.

And regarding this statement:

You must create a new thread and the fee will be applied.

Admins have informed me that new threads will be LIVE for 10 days, then will close, and another thread will need to be created after it closes and you will have to reference your old thread for any past activity.

That wouldn't be a smart move IMO because you'd confuse buyers and piss off established sellers at the same time. If the admins want me to pay them $36/10 days, I'm willing to do that but they have to find a way to avoid this "always start a new thread" nonsense.

Find a way to close threads automatically after 10 days or disable posts. If the service provider wants to reactivate the thread, he/she has to pay $36. Rinse and repeat.

Sellers get to keep their threads (and this will also help buyers make informed decisions - does anyone honestly think that forcing sellers to constantly start new threads won't confuse buyers?), the admins make $36/10 days and everyone's happy.

[Grindstone]

inb4

[alexch0ng]

lol $36 every 10 days.. that is genius

[jeffrey]

Just curious, where the sticky threads meant to be locked?

[zingo]

Originally Posted by jeffrey

Just curious, where the sticky threads meant to be locked?

I locked them I want all issues to be put here so closed the other stickys temporarily.

AGAIN TO NOT SEND ME PM'S REGARDING THIS THEY WILL GET DELETED. POST UP HERE...

I do not have any thing to do with payment processing/PayPal , I am getting P.M's asking me to fix issues with payment you need to get in touch with the Admins for any and all issues with payment.

[botwiz]

Originally Posted by botwiz

Dropped you a PM and hope to reactivate my old threads.

Again thanks for your help Zingo!

Originally Posted by masterjani

After payment, Is there any chance to re-open closed threads.

@ Mike & Jon - We would like to keep our old threads for obvious reasons.

I have sent payment to the paypal email for the onetime charge of $36 dollars for each. I also dropped you a PM with transaction id numbers and the threads I would like to unlock.

Hopefully by resolving this we can come up with a better method of reactivating old BSTs for everyone else. As I'm sure we are all going to want to do the same thing.

Lets us know!

[EricVonDoobie]

inb4 3 page wave of replys from people trying to post to River's SBB thread.

[Andrey]

1 sales thread per person or can we do multiple at the same time?

[clyde]

You have to create new threads, old threads will not be unlocked unless Zingo wants to.

You can create more than one threads, but only one per submission.

[secretagentdad]

As a more often buyer then seller I'ma play devils advocate.

I fricken love the decision to force a new thread every few weeks. That will give a little less pricing power to some of the namebrand services.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by secretagentdad

I fricken love the decision to force a new thread every few weeks. That will give a little less pricing power to some of the namebrand services.

Wait, what are you talking about?

Threads will be auto-locked after few weeks? Whatt?

[Jingo]

Originally Posted by clyde

Wait, what are you talking about?

Threads will be auto-locked after few weeks? Whatt?

Few weeks?? More like auto lock after 10 days and then make new thread...


Not good... not good.

[steviep]

"maximum threads allowed: 1"

Is that just per payment or can't we sell more than one service anymore?

[blog8491]

It's better to introduce thread bumping fee method. Creating new threads again and again doesn't make any sense.

[Your_Pal]

Hi Zingo can you please confirm with admins or can tell us what this means:-

Admins have informed me that new threads will be LIVE for 10 days, then will close, and another thread will need to be created after it closes and you will have to reference your old thread for any past activity.

If every 10 days the threads gonna closed then how the buyers will gonna decide which threads have great feedbacks and where to buy? It will be tedious for buyers to decide from where to buy. Also it will give a lots of scammers a chance to just pay $36 and provide NOTHING making new accounts and scam pplz here. I DO NOT think it is a good idea.

I want to open 2 of my popular SBT's and ready to pay for it but could you please clarify this. As if we need to pay 36$ every 10 days it will be pretty much expensive. 36*3*2 216 USD a month expense for me

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Your_Pal

Hi Zingo can you please confirm with admins or can tell us what this means:-

If every 10 days the threads gonna closed then how the buyers will gonna decide which threads have great feedbacks and where to buy? It will be tedious for buyers to decide from where to buy. Also it will give a lots of scammers a chance to just pay $36 and provide NOTHING making new accounts and scam pplz here. I DO NOT think it is a good idea.

I want to open 2 of my popular SBT's and ready to pay for it but could you please clarify this. As if we need to pay 36$ every 10 days it will be pretty much expensive. 36*3*2 216 USD a month expense for me

This is actually a good move on Jon's part to get rid of monopolies. If you have testimonials from your old thread just quote that in your new thread. New sellers still need to provide free review copies to qualified reviewers before they can take orders.

It cost $1000+ to keep your thread up in the other WF every month, $216 is nothing compared to that.

If you can't afford the monthly fees it means you just been phased out, i.e: time to move on.

[Your_Pal]

^^ Definitely $216 a month is expensive on top of that we need to post thread every 10 days ->> PM moderators ->> Moderators will have to approve every freaking thread every week (mods will be pretty much busy in filtering shit) ->> Supposed long delay in approving thread ->> May be if we are lucky enough we will get our threads approved in 4-5 days ->> you just lost lots of customers as your old threads were closed and your new threads were not approved in-between->> you loose business ->> How you gonna pay $216 a month?

[wordpresslinked]

Originally Posted by blog8491

It's better to introduce thread bumping fee method. Creating new threads again and again doesn't make any sense.

yes I agree with this one , bumping fee method is better than creating new threads after 10 days .

[nightwatchman1]

The problem as a buyer is that I subscribe to threads to keep track of which services I'm interested in.

If the threads keep closing and new ones opening for the same service, it will be easy for me to lose track and I will have no idea when a new thread starts for that service.

Just wanted to point that out.

[Bandorsson]

I think its expensive, though idea is good.

[mikewatson]

Where to pay and how much ? And what will be the validity of the thread

[botwiz]

Originally Posted by steviep

"maximum threads allowed: 1"

Is that just per payment or can't we sell more than one service anymore?

My partner can have 1 BST and I can have 1 BST. Who cares who pays for it, as long as its paid for.

[jacky8]

Fees are OK but let people keep the same thread somehow

[dchuk]

I must say, the sentiment was good here with enforcing payment for new threads, but holy fuck that was piss poor execution. I don't really give a shit because my livelihood doesn't depend on my threads in the BST, however:

1) closing all active threads was fucking stupid (because new threads need to be paid for anyway, so any noise would naturally taper off over time)

2) closing all threads after 10 days is fucking stupid. It's going to create more work for the admins over time, and the admins don't give a fuck anymore, so it's going to be neglected.

I don't know, I've been around here for a while, I've posted a shit ton here before, the BST is only a small percentage of why I'm here. But my god, what a fuck up.

[mikewatson]

2) closing all threads after 10 days is fucking stupid. It's going to create more work for the admins over time, and the admins don't give a fuck anymore, so it's going to be neglected.

+1 for this

[cathy rydu]

OMG !!! $36 per 10 days. After 10 days its would be closed and create new thread on same rate means its come expensive deal .what about the old thread that also put on closed and don't think so failed to get new clients that way ???

Its great idea to maintain the good business on professionally way as well but keep go though on high rate and nothing much .

[sarkarkumar09]

Originally Posted by jacky8

Fees are OK but let people keep the same thread somehow

I do agree with Jacky8, People should have the previous thread live instead of creating new thread again and again.

[Your_Pal]

Originally Posted by dchuk

I must say, the sentiment was good here with enforcing payment for new threads, but holy fuck that was piss poor execution. I don't really give a shit because my livelihood doesn't depend on my threads in the BST, however:

1) closing all active threads was fucking stupid (because new threads need to be paid for anyway, so any noise would naturally taper off over time)

2) closing all threads after 10 days is fucking stupid. It's going to create more work for the admins over time, and the admins don't give a fuck anymore, so it's going to be neglected.

I don't know, I've been around here for a while, I've posted a shit ton here before, the BST is only a small percentage of why I'm here. But my god, what a fuck up.

I APPROVE YOUR POST.

On top of closing thread mess every 10 days just think how long will be the queue to get new threads approved? I bet there will be huge delay in approving 100ths of threads every 10 days.

[soulravager]

So we can only open ONE BST thread ?

[jr_sci]

This is something more than what we have asked for. As a seller, it will be hard to maintain new service threads everytime. Taking care of payments every 10 days is again tedious. As a buyer, you will loose track of your favourite services as we often tend to subscribe to our favorite threads.

A decent start up fee for a service would have fulfilled the cause. If not a start-up fee, make it a monthly subscription rather than paying every 10 days. Let us continue with the same service thread. I was wondering, if the admins can make it simple and yet effective for all of us.

It might also raise the cost of services as service providers can always manipulate the price. There's a lot of uncertainty for a service thread that's valid for just 10 days. This is gonna raise the price so that the sellers can earn back the profit from the first 2-3 client every 10 days. This will be real bad for the buyers. No more $4 Social bookmarking, price is gonna rise. Just saying.....

We all want to resume our business. It's better if we come up with a clear decision at the earliest, mentioning all the payment info (where to make the payment, how much) etc.. Will see how this discussion goes.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Your_Pal

^^ Definitely $216 a month is expensive on top of that we need to post thread every 10 days ->> PM moderators ->> Moderators will have to approve every freaking thread every week (mods will be pretty much busy in filtering shit) ->> Supposed long delay in approving thread ->> May be if we are lucky enough we will get our threads approved in 4-5 days ->> you just lost lots of customers as your old threads were closed and your new threads were not approved in-between->> you loose business ->> How you gonna pay $216 a month?

I thought the whole process was automated? I disagree with lowering the price but it def. should be changed to pay per bump. That way sellers can't make buyers post their transaction ID as a mean to bump the thread.

[zingo]

Originally Posted by dchuk

2) closing all threads after 10 days is fucking stupid. It's going to create more work for the admins over time, and the admins don't give a fuck anymore, so it's going to be neglected.

I fully agree that 10 days and then thread should be looked at. It can take multiple days to get reviews back then the thread will close.

I think 30 - 45 days would be enough time for the member to get things rolling and then they could link back to the old thread for previous review, they could also quote previous reviews in new thread.

Also there are services outside of the Links and SEO area such as the general BST area and content area that are very useful and will no longer be able to thrive due to the quick locking of thread the ROI is not there. It would suck to lose some of these and add value here to a lot of people.

This is just my 2 cents, I do not make the high level decisions here I just try to keep order and help the providers as best I can.

I hope the 10 days will be reevaluated, change is never easy.

Just increasing the live post days to 30 - 45 would be an easy fix and everyone could move on with there biz.

[stevejobs]

Charges for thread in BST is fine.

1. Allow us to continue with our active old threads. [Just open them if we Pay for it]

2. Please charge us monthly. (no 10 days or 15 days)

3. Moderate only the new threads. Allow us to reactivate old threads after payment without moderation.

Cheers
Steve.

[eatingMemory]

Originally Posted by stevejobs

Charges for thread in BST is fine.

1. Allow us to continue with our active old threads. [Just open them if we Pay for it]

2. Please charge us monthly. (no 10 days or 15 days)

3. Moderate only the new threads. Allow us to reactivate old threads after payment without moderation.

Cheers
Steve.

I'd agree with this. Setup a monthly recurring payment system with paypal or whatever and let providers subscribe through it. Link this system to the forum and as long as we pay for each month the thread will remain live.

If not close it or something. And yes please do allow people to keep the old threads. It ain't easy to implement change but it's long overdue here.

[jr_sci]

Originally Posted by jr_sci

This is something more than what we have asked for. As a seller, it will be hard to maintain new service threads everytime. Taking care of payments every 10 days is again tedious. As a buyer, you will loose track of your favourite services as we often tend to subscribe to our favorite threads.

A decent start up fee for a service would have fulfilled the cause. If not a start-up fee, make it a monthly subscription rather than paying every 10 days. Let us continue with the same service thread. I was wondering, if the admins can make it simple and yet effective for all of us.

It might also raise the cost of services as service providers can always manipulate the price. There's a lot of uncertainty for a service thread that's valid for just 10 days. This is gonna raise the price so that the sellers can earn back the profit from the first 2-3 client every 10 days. This will be real bad for the buyers. No more $4 Social bookmarking, price is gonna rise. Just saying.....

We all want to resume our business. It's better if we come up with a clear decision at the earliest, mentioning all the payment info (where to make the payment, how much) etc.. Will see how this discussion goes.

EDIT:

Seems like when we click the New Thread button, it automatically redirects us to the Payment page.

You can purchase more than 1 threads, provided you pay $36 X (no of threads).

[stevejobs]

$36 for 1 Thread --> How many days??? (Not displayed in the purchase page)

[seofactory]

Originally Posted by jr_sci

EDIT:

Seems like when we click the New Thread button, it automatically redirects us to the Payment page.

You can purchase more than 1 threads, provided you pay $36 X (no of threads).

Maximum thread allowed : 1

[Bompa]

Originally Posted by jr_sci

This is something more than what we have asked for...

That's just it JR, now.. no offense to you, you're cool and all that, but no one
should be asking for anything. I have never seen so many requests,
suggestions, complaints, and crying as I have seen in my past 12 months on
this forum. (Not from you jr, I mean generally speaking.)

If a mod asks for our opinion, fine, otherwise if we don't like the forum we go
elsewhere.

Simple. This is the internet.

The admins know what they are doing. The craziness in bst is not really
a problem for them. It keeps life interesting. If they wanted to clean it up,
they know exactly how to do that, they do not need our ideas. They are
not inexperienced or stupid.

@everyone, be careful what you ask for.

Bompa

[jai sree ram]

@jr_sci it is obvious that we are gonna increase our rates of bookmarking as i am one of the cheapest bookmarking seller in this forum and if i am paying 100 dollars per month then wat i am earning ? i have to increase my prices and that is good thing.

NOW QUESTION FOR ALL

should we bring all over services together make a single thread or multiple thread ??? and one more thing should be done !!! i read somewhere from one of our moderator that signing up new user should be charged !! that will be good there will be less cheating fraud !!!

i dont agree that we should open new thread every 10 days or even month !! if we are going to open a new thread @ the moment it will okay but every 10 days... ???

Originally Posted by jr_sci

This is something more than what we have asked for. As a seller, it will be hard to maintain new service threads everytime. Taking care of payments every 10 days is again tedious. As a buyer, you will loose track of your favourite services as we often tend to subscribe to our favorite threads.

A decent start up fee for a service would have fulfilled the cause. If not a start-up fee, make it a monthly subscription rather than paying every 10 days. Let us continue with the same service thread. I was wondering, if the admins can make it simple and yet effective for all of us.

It might also raise the cost of services as service providers can always manipulate the price. There's a lot of uncertainty for a service thread that's valid for just 10 days. This is gonna raise the price so that the sellers can earn back the profit from the first 2-3 client every 10 days. This will be real bad for the buyers. No more $4 Social bookmarking, price is gonna rise. Just saying.....

We all want to resume our business. It's better if we come up with a clear decision at the earliest, mentioning all the payment info (where to make the payment, how much) etc.. Will see how this discussion goes.

[botwiz]

Originally Posted by botwiz

Just make it $36 monthly and let threads say alive as long as they are paid up. (Re-activate old threads as long as they are on the paid recurring contract)

Everything else should stay the same. Paying per bump is going to reduce the traffic here by 10 fold, look at what happened to BLF.

I know I sent you guys $72 already and just want my old thread back up, no point in re posting every 10 days or ever for that matter. Its just going to lead to more manipulation and headaches for the staff.

/thread closed

[jr_sci]

Originally Posted by Bompa

That's just it JR, now.. no offense to you, you're cool and all that, but no one
should be asking for anything. I have never seen so many requests,
suggestions, complaints, and crying as I have seen in my past 12 months on
this forum. (Not from you jr, I mean generally speaking.)

If a mod asks for our opinion, fine, otherwise if we don't like the forum we go
elsewhere.

Simple. This is the internet.

The admins know what they are doing. The craziness in bst is not really
a problem for them. It keeps life interesting. If they wanted to clean it up,
they know exactly how to do that, they do not need our ideas. They are
not inexperienced or stupid.

@everyone, be careful what you ask for.

Bompa

Hey mate, you got me wrong.. Everyone else, here has given their verdict on this decision, so did I. Ideas, suggestions are a part of any discussion board. Am not crying on this decision. Am really happy to pay what is being asked for. The suggestion I made is rather than paying $36 every 10 days, it should have been better if we pay $108 ($36 x 3) every month (as a monthly subscription) and we can keep our old threads running whatsoever...

Opening your mouth for your voice is not crying dude.. Rest, I always say... LORD JON will decide.

[flx89]

new threads every 10 days it's not something good. I think it would be best to have a start up fee, plus a monthly fee. Also, keeping the same thread would be better. Why delete every few days? can't see the reason.