bubbles

Mind posting that cycle site link? His server is slow and I've been unable to find it as of yet.

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Aequitas

Honestly I have no clue, last I heard the guy I sold it too, sold it to someone else, I know that for a fact cause I helped put it on the new guys server, they were supposed to pay me for it but that never happend. No big deal only took a few minutes anyway.

As for updates, who's running the show with it, ect... Got no clue, I don't have contact with the new owners the only thing I know is that they are from the UK and probably don't know how to update it considering I had to upload it to there servers for them.

I should buy my time and offer them a low price for it and buy it back lol.

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springer

Blue Hat SEO-Advanced SEO Tactics » SEO Empire - Part 1 Eli talks specifically about cycle sites about 1/4 way down the page.

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LazyHippy

Blue Hat SEO-Advanced SEO Tactics » SEO Empire - Part 1 (about a quarter of the way down).

It's a massive post, but worth reading. Just noticed a few bits I missed - gonna re-read tonight I think!

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bubbles

Haha, I think one of his cycle sites scraped my blog...

Affiliate Marketing » A Great Example of Outside-The-Box Thinking

It looks identical to what he described. All you newbies can take a look at that for an example I guess.

Edit: Here is his "web host", clever shit.
Hosting-Wire.com - Premium Website Hosting at Affordable Prices

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turbolapp

I'm probably missing something but how do you know it's one Eli's sites?

LazyHippy

Yeah, they've even used one of the themes Eli included in his WP download!
The fake privacy name and email are nice extras on the whois.

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LazyHippy

I don't think he does know that... it's a site created using Eli's method (and the copy of WP he posted on his blog).

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springer

Whoever it is put some serious work into it. Look at the fake hosting site behind their nameservers Hosting-Wire.com - Premium Website Hosting at Affordable Prices I LOVE this kind of attention to detail because that's really what's needed to make it all work.

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LazyHippy

Hi. Thanks for commenting on my blog. I was going to email you some thoughts about your site, but other people may be able to offer advice too and also benefit, so I'll post here.

Firstly, I love the psychedelic background (actually nicked it for my desktop!), but the rest of the site doesn't seem to quite fit design-wise. There seems to be 3 different designs - the main site, forum and hosting pages. If you could match it to the colour scheme in the background (without it being too intense) it would look better in my opinion.

Not sure about the branding, if it's called Rainbow River you could do with an appropriate domain. (Although to me that reminds me of the rainbow bridge dog heaven thing or gay rights rainbow flags.)

Some of the internal links open in new windows (very annoying).

The forum would look less empty with less sections - add more sections as it gets busier.

If it's members only to read (you mention that, but at present I can read without joining) then the search engines won't see your forum content either.

I like the idea, but really don't think it will work as a MLM paid subscription model. There's threads here that show how members of an established forum full of content feel about paying (and the amount of people with sigs is evidence in itself) so you'll have a hard job selling your site. Sorry, I totally disagree with you about people being motivated to buy a premium membership just to give to the people higher up the pyramid and creating a hierarchy of user classes doesn't strike me as in keeping with the hippy ethic.

Overall I think it could work but with a different income model. Advertising is the obvious choice. I saw your concerns, but you could say use adsense and filter out certain words or sites, or maybe look at the many affiliate programs for charities that are about. Be aware though, the general opinion is that running a forum is a lot of work for little reward, especially in the short term.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, as a fellow hippy (with a why? ) I really like what you are trying to do. Good luck.

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ubaidabcd

Are these blackhat techniques? autoblogging, and creating cycle sites could this get you deslisted from SE's. I just want to make sure I try this on something that I can throw away and not on a WH site.

Mike

Yes, cycle sites are certainly black hat and will get deindexed /banned if you leave them up too long. Autoblogs are less risky, but could get penalized as well. I think your chances of having any problems with a basic autoblog are slim if you mix things up enough, get some decent inbound links and don't over-ping the shit out of the aggregators.

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turbolapp

Ok. Total Noob alert. I'm sure I should get the difference between cyle sites and auto blogging by now after this massive thread and Eli's seo empire article but it's not clicking yet ( perhaps it's because I've only read the article twice and not the recommended 6 times ;P ) Was this what you were talking about Lazy hippy with Splogs? Again, sorry for any possible redundancy.

Nomara

I've set up my autoblogs and I've been posting about 5 posts per blog per day. In addition, I am using the "black hole" RSS feed generation and ping technique.

Mike, any idea what the threshold would be for over-pinging the aggregators? I'm sure it's different for every aggregator, but I wonder if you've ever run into a problem over-pinging. With the black hole technique I am using I can easily end up pinging each aggregator a few hundred times a day. Think I should scale it back some?

I might end up setting up a few groups of autoblogs, some of which I ping a ton, some of which I ping a good amount, and some of which I only ping when I make actual posts (i.e. no black hole pinging).

Dave_IL

Are you using the built in Wordpress pinging? If so I know there is a plugin that allows you to set the max number of pings for a day no matter the number of posts. That should help keep you from getting banned. If there is interest I will try and find it, it is somewhere on one of my servers.

Dave

ubaidabcd

I should be reading those posts that were mentioned on the first page, I'm just trying to do a million things at once and now trying to keep up with this thread at the same time.

For autoblogging, where are you getting the content. Are you using some scripts to scrape content and have WP post automatically?

I just took a look at that "rss scraping and autoblogging" post and "Bam Bam" mentinoned:

"I have one blog setup which Scrapes Google Blog Search results for certain keywords, Google news, yahoo news and a few well known blog sites."

Does anybody know where somebody could get more information on this?

LazyHippy

Splog = spam-blog. I don't like the term myself, prefer 'aggregated content'

An autoblog/splog/whatever you call it will normally be aiming to get traffic from pages indexed in the search engines, a cycle site aims to pick up links from trackbacks posted on the blogs it takes content from. So for a normal autoblog the content can come from anywhere - serps, news sites, youtube, forums, anywhere with a feed. For a cycle site you want to only use places where you've got a chance of a trackback link - normally blogs, but...

Forums might work too! Some forums (like here) post trackbacks so could work, just need a way of finding out which ones.

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rileypool

Just to let everybody I'll be jumping in this here contest, too. I've been lurking around and reading these forums from time to time since I've joined but never really posted.

I guess the prize has already been determined by SEO_Mike with it being us n00bs getting all this GREAT advice from you all, our experience and the money we'll be making plus whatever else I failed to mention that he already did. In that same sense I guess we can't determine a winner if we judge by all the different ways we'll all be benefitting from it unless we look at it from strictly a monetary point of view which I don't think will be a true measure of how "successful" some of us may be from this challenge. Example, someone may benefit more from knowing almost nothing and going from ground zero to $5/day than say I could going from having the know-how to do all this and making $0.10/day to $10/day. I hope that makes sense to everyone.

FWIW, I actually started my own little challenge to myself earlier this week after literally reading and reading and reading nonstop on this forum on ways to make money. I finally put my foot down and said I've gotta put all this knowledge to work for me and finally got off my ass and started doing something. And then I stumbled onto this post by luck last night.

I've already got one autoblog going and another that I'm working on. I hope to add blog-flipping to my projects as well as some cycle sites and even PPC campaigns. And I've already graduated from $0.10/day to $0.50/day but that's from a PPC campaign to generate traffic. I'll be backing off that particular campaign for this challenge to see how well I'll be able to supply my sites with traffic by other means.

Good luck to all!

And thanks A TON to all that are helping us n00bs. The amount of information I've gained in reading this thread alone from you guys is absurd!

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elime

Firstly, a big thanks to everyone in this thread. There's enough information and inspiration to keep me going for a long while. Hell, thanks for WF period. I'm not a huge forum person, and joining up has been one of the best decisions I've made.

Excuse me a moment while I dislodge my nose from the forum's collective colon...

So. After lurking, I've decided to participate in this. I could really use some suggestions/pointers, etc. I'm going to be as "full disclosure" as possible. Aequitas' posts were a huge help in getting me started. Actually, the post on his blog he mentioned about keyword research was monumental. So, taking the information from there, here's what I did:

• Stared blankly at SEO Book's Keyword Suggestion Tool for a while, then started tossing in keywords as ideas came and went. I repeated the process I'm going to describe below a few times.
• I put in the word "bridges." It seemed obscure-ish yet common (if that makes any sense at all), and looked through the results. "Brooklyn bridge at night" was in there. It had around 5k total searches, with 3k or so from Google.
• I was interested, so I Googled the string as well as allinurl and allintitle. Here's the results:
  • String: 1.1 million results
  • allinurl: 1,720 results
  • allintitle: 1,340 results
• Ok. So now I went and checked the competition on the term. None of them were main pages. Links to the pages ranged from 38 to 557 (wikipedia - not at the #1, for a change).
  • Quick note: SEO Quake makes checking the competition a snap.
• So at this point I figured screw it, I'll make a site. If it flops, whatever, I learned.
• So I grabbed a domain, built a site, and now it's live: brooklynbridgeatnight.com.

I'd really dig it if you guys wouldn't mind pointing out any flaws in my research process and/or checking out the page. It's monetized by adsense and an allposters aff program.

So hopefully I'm in the right direction, but if not, you're encouraged to slap me around.
Thanks again.

bam bam

rss scraping and 'auto blogging'

I dunno if that can help anyone. Hope it does!

(It's not just the thread all over again. I just added a file.)

ArtDeco

Hello I'm trying to keep up here. I just signed up with Gmail for adsense & Copeac for alliliate offers today, did some keyword research and got a domain in a niche full of spammy made for adsense type sites. Now I need to get transfered to paid hosting with a control panel to install wordpress. Then even though I have no idea what I'm doing, I may be able to follow along at least.

ubaidabcd

Thanks! I was going to PM you for more information but you answered my question. I'm going to mess around with this template and see what I can come up with.

ubaidabcd

Is there a possibility of getting banned from Adsense from rss scraping and autoblogging?

I believe somebody mentioned in this thread getting caught scraping rss feeds. When doing this stuff should you create a webhosting account in a different name. I think I remember this from SEO Empire regarding cycle sites.

Supergeek

Just got approved over the phone for NeverBlueAds, so right now I'm signed up for...

CJ
AdSense
Copeac
LinkShare
WidgetBucks
Amazon
NeverBlueAds

Any others I should pick up or try? Heh.

SpaceMonkey

I'm not doing a spam blog or anything like the methods mentioned in this thread, but is it possible to ping a bunch of sites AFTER you have posted everything? I have a huge database of posts and I wanted to try to get a ton of backlinks from them all.

Mike

Totally doable. You can do it manually, or use a script to do it.

Yes, it is possible, but not likely from what I understand.

Back to work for me.

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ubaidabcd

Sorry was busy earlier, should've +++++rep this should really help me get started.

LazyHippy

I've got a few more on my blog (see sig), I think there's a thread around here somewhere too.

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If you're just starting out with WP you might want to check out this thread.

http://www.wickedfire.com/traffic-su...-blogging.html

Mike

Here's a BIG list of affiliate / ad networks:
A list of Ad Networks

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Supergeek

Wow, I probably saw that list before I started applying to affiliate sites. Awesome resource, thanks Mike.

ArtDeco

Thanks, I'm looking it up now, I still don't understand blogs vs websites vs directory sites vs MFA sites. Nor do I understand why I need more than just an adsense account and one or at most two affiliates.

So many sites, so little time.

DBWebDev

Hi, I joined the forum after a I read a recommendation from Eli - I've been blown away since yesterday. Haven't stopped reading the forum since, I've been to other affiliate sites and all they talk about is boring industry trends etc and there's just no helpful information.

Anyway, this thread has got me posting - I'm up for the challenge. I've been reading up on stuff like this but never really dared get my feet wet for a couple of years now, and finally am getting into it.

ArtDeco, the main difference between the different sites you mentioned here are where the content comes from and how is it published. Blogs (if they are original content ones) are just websites which one main section for posting articles. Directory sites are lists of other websites, and MFA sites are blogs/sites that are purely made for Adsense. The content for an MFA site could have been scraped from somewhere else, or just rewritten from another site - but the main point of them is to get click throughs.

If you are just starting out in this, I don't think you do need more than an Adsense account and a couple affiliates - don't take on too much at the beginning cos you'll just over burden yourself and get confused.

turbolapp

Good advice. It's really easy to get overwhelmed around here so don't over do it. Set your own personal goals and just keep one eye on everyone else for informational purposes.

Welcome aboard everyone!

ehaze

i didnt get much sleep last night after reading most of his post. great info and a ton of stuff to learn.

rileypool

Anybody have a clue why I'm getting this error message using WP-Autoblog?

Warning: MagpieRSS: Failed to parse RSS file. (not well-formed (invalid token) at line 69, column 138) in ...wp-content/plugins/rss_fetch.inc on line 237

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bubbles

Post the place where you downloaded WP-Autoblog will ya?

As for your problem, look at line 69 in your RSS feed, its probaby incorrectly formatted.

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rileypool

Once you enter the feeds in WP-Autoblog does it automatically check for new posts by itself or do you have to click Run Script manually everytime?

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ArtDeco

Hello ,

Another long post with questions for SEO Mike or Emp or Aquinas if you are reading this....

Background - I own a domain called PatioPondGarden dot com in a niche full of lame looking sites about gardens, decks, patios, ponds, grills, barbeque, fish, flowers, and some other backyard niche sites that all look worthless to me.

For example: pond dot com sells only patio furniture and patio dot com sells mostly pool tables and recliners, bbq dot com and grill dot com are just MFA sites, and nobody sells pond or pool stuff this time of year. Maybe it's just because this is the end of the season; I don't know, Wordtracker doesn't say, and I'm not sure how to look up traffic for last May or July .

I set up a free wordpress blog with a flowery template, got a Gmail account and a Copeac account, and I am writing up the unique pages using key words like patio, deck, lights, christmas, grills, gifts, lawn and yard care, cookouts, tailgates, and barbeque, and names of seasonal fish and plants to separate whatever traffic I get into garden, patio, pool, pond, grill as well as the seasonal pages- Halloween, Christmas, Easter, May Day, Labor and Independence Day articles with their adsense ads.

I can look up peoples climate zones by region or zip code to get planting times and temperatures for their specific regions as well as plant and fish hardiness charts by species and make up a nice little gift for them as well as a page of sales copy and or a customer poll that leads to an affiliate offer like a zip code submit. Copeac has an email submit for a choice of a $500 Lowe's or Home Depot gift certificate that might be of interest to these home and garden owning, middle aged, middle income people, but it only pays $1.50 per qualified lead.

So Questions, questions, and more questions -

1. Do you know of anything better paying I can use for my poll? $1.50 per lead sucks.
2. Can I get a script to look up peoples nearest urban locations by IP address inexpensively?
3.What should I expect to pay for rights for stuff like a BBQ ebook, a screen saver garden calendar, or some other wiget or gift for customers to download after providing their zip and email?
4.What should I expect to pay per hundred or thousand for good quality traffic like hgtv dot com has?

Please let me know if you think this is all too impractical or too seasonal or just generally yet another money loser. I can not pay for pay per click traffic so I will just have to work with whatever cheap traffic I can get and I think I may just give up on this outdoor stuff and focus on the indoor topics like literature, movies, good fireplaces, and great scotch until spring arrives.
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Thanks Guys;
Art Deco

Aequitas

Ok well I've decided to become a bit more pro-active in this challenge and in doing so I've spent a full day building a fresh site for this, one that I'm sure the WickedFire community is going to enjoy so I'll freely share the URL with you all.

I'll try to keep up with stats, traffic, earnings, money spent (I'll keep it as low as I can) and all that good stuff, I'm doing this to show everyone one of two things, how to turn a profit if it does or how to learn from a failed site if it doesn't.

Thats right not every site everyone sets up is a winner so we will see with this one, time will tell. I'll put the URL at the very bottom of the site but I warn you right now you can get lost in the site so don't spend all your time googling over it.

Trust me I'm surprized I got it done in one day considering I got distracted real easily with the content thats on it, anyway the URL is Cute Sexy Women

Comments and questions are welcome and good luck to everyone on the friendly challenge.

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Damn you! How am I supposed to concentrate on making money when this is the sample content? haha.

Anyway I guess my questions basically stem from content. It's amazing you did this in one day, maybe you use more automated methods than I could. Where did you get the content/videos? Did you just throw the banner together yourself? What are you using for traffic generation?

Aequitas

haha I told you that content is alluring.

Yeah one day isn't bad but I used barely any automated methods for it, actually none haha I have just been doing it forever and ever and I can do a site up super quickly, this one was simple because I use wordpress for it and all the time spent was basically creating the content and the theme for it.

The header I created myself, just thought to myself what works for this niche, something clean, simple, and attractive, so I played with some colors, hooked up CS2 and spent about 1.5 hours on it to push it out.

The content I get from a variety of websites, most of which don't supply the embed codes but with 30 seconds of looking at source and taking the embed codes you've got your video, I can easily push out 10 videos a day on this site because it only takes 30 seconds per video.

See I choose this niche because every single video site (Other then YouTube) basically has sexy women dancing and stripping so I figured ok lets capitalize on all that content and bring it together.

See I realized that 1) The content is everywhere and I realized 2) The content is everywhere, you can view one video on site A but never find video B until you get to site C, so I combined all sexy videos on one site.

Bing Bang Done.

Right now it doesn't get any traffic considering I just got it done last night, so I'll be pushing some backlinks on other video sites, blogs, directories, for now and I might spend 50 to 100 on PPC but we will see how the link building goes first, I'll try not to do PPC on it because I'm sure a lot of newbies are not going to be doing PPC for there new sites. I'll do my best to play fair with this.

I think that covers your questions, if not ask some more lol.

Oh shit did I mention I'm cheating because all the text content on that site is 100% unique but I didn't write it, nor did I spend money for it.

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ubaidabcd

If you don't mind sharing where would you suggest to promote a site such as this on PPC? Adbrite or similiar? From what I saw, Yahoo or Google wouldn't approve due to adult content.


Thanks

egonitron

How much time do you plan on spending on link building?

Other than the affiliate links and ads on the sidebar, are there any other monetization plans?

Is this a custom WP theme or free?

I'm sure you aren't willing to share, but how are you getting free free unique content? (It's worth a try )

How much organic traffic do you expect to get from this?

Sorry for all the questions, I really want to get started with this

Mike

Not sure about YSM as I haven't tried it, but if you promote it properly, you can slide adult stuff through Google. Just Google "porn". Hmmm...there's four paid advertisements. Just an example, but I do know it can be done and run for a long time without a problem. It's all in your wording. Just be careful about how you present it.

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Aequitas

Yeah as Mike said you can sqeeze some porn stuff through Google, I'm almost positive I can get away with it on Adwords considering the site doesn't have any porn, just sexuality.

No other mentioning plans as of yet, the wordpress theme is completely custom I built it myself like almost all my themes, it increases my design knowledge and thats a weaker point for me but I'm a lot better now then I was before.

An estimate on organic traffic once indexed is in the range of about 10K a month hopefully as long as I can get it ranked for the term I want lol.

I knew someone would jump all over the aspect of me putting 100% unique content on the site without paying for it, in a way I'm just scaming it from another site, I found a porn site which gives you descriptions, I double checked and as far as I can tell no descriptions are indexed in Google, plus I just spend a couple seconds toning it down so its even more unique, cause well the descriptions on porn sites can get a bit carried away for the use on my site.

As for me letting you know the URL of the site I'm getting the content from well I'll let you know once I use up all the free content.

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purpureleaf

Hi, I hope I am not too late to this thread.

I am a totally n00b to internet marketing, but not new to programming. I would call myself hardcore programmer(emm, actually I was project manager for years),I am here to learn a new skill!

Mike

Welcome purpureleaf! You're tech skills will help you catch up quickly. To get up to speed on internet marketing, check out the list of useful threads that Emp posted here:

WF Treasure trove - articles and threads to read

If you have any questions, don't be afraid to ask, that's what this thread is for. Also, if you're uncomfortable asking something, then PM me. I'll do what I can to help.

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purpureleaf

Thanks! I have already bought a VPS after I saw your thread! At least I have tried!

I think I have already PM you? Well ingore that message