bubbles

Mind posting that cycle site link? His server is slow and I've been unable to find it as of yet.

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Aequitas

Honestly I have no clue, last I heard the guy I sold it too, sold it to someone else, I know that for a fact cause I helped put it on the new guys server, they were supposed to pay me for it but that never happend. No big deal only took a few minutes anyway.

As for updates, who's running the show with it, ect... Got no clue, I don't have contact with the new owners the only thing I know is that they are from the UK and probably don't know how to update it considering I had to upload it to there servers for them.

I should buy my time and offer them a low price for it and buy it back lol.

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Blue Hat SEO-Advanced SEO Tactics » SEO Empire - Part 1 Eli talks specifically about cycle sites about 1/4 way down the page.

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LazyHippy

Blue Hat SEO-Advanced SEO Tactics » SEO Empire - Part 1 (about a quarter of the way down).

It's a massive post, but worth reading. Just noticed a few bits I missed - gonna re-read tonight I think!

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bubbles

Haha, I think one of his cycle sites scraped my blog...

Affiliate Marketing » A Great Example of Outside-The-Box Thinking

It looks identical to what he described. All you newbies can take a look at that for an example I guess.

Edit: Here is his "web host", clever shit.
Hosting-Wire.com - Premium Website Hosting at Affordable Prices

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turbolapp

I'm probably missing something but how do you know it's one Eli's sites?

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Yeah, they've even used one of the themes Eli included in his WP download!
The fake privacy name and email are nice extras on the whois.

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I don't think he does know that... it's a site created using Eli's method (and the copy of WP he posted on his blog).

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springer

Whoever it is put some serious work into it. Look at the fake hosting site behind their nameservers Hosting-Wire.com - Premium Website Hosting at Affordable Prices I LOVE this kind of attention to detail because that's really what's needed to make it all work.

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LazyHippy

Hi. Thanks for commenting on my blog. I was going to email you some thoughts about your site, but other people may be able to offer advice too and also benefit, so I'll post here.

Firstly, I love the psychedelic background (actually nicked it for my desktop!), but the rest of the site doesn't seem to quite fit design-wise. There seems to be 3 different designs - the main site, forum and hosting pages. If you could match it to the colour scheme in the background (without it being too intense) it would look better in my opinion.

Not sure about the branding, if it's called Rainbow River you could do with an appropriate domain. (Although to me that reminds me of the rainbow bridge dog heaven thing or gay rights rainbow flags.)

Some of the internal links open in new windows (very annoying).

The forum would look less empty with less sections - add more sections as it gets busier.

If it's members only to read (you mention that, but at present I can read without joining) then the search engines won't see your forum content either.

I like the idea, but really don't think it will work as a MLM paid subscription model. There's threads here that show how members of an established forum full of content feel about paying (and the amount of people with sigs is evidence in itself) so you'll have a hard job selling your site. Sorry, I totally disagree with you about people being motivated to buy a premium membership just to give to the people higher up the pyramid and creating a hierarchy of user classes doesn't strike me as in keeping with the hippy ethic.

Overall I think it could work but with a different income model. Advertising is the obvious choice. I saw your concerns, but you could say use adsense and filter out certain words or sites, or maybe look at the many affiliate programs for charities that are about. Be aware though, the general opinion is that running a forum is a lot of work for little reward, especially in the short term.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, as a fellow hippy (with a why? ) I really like what you are trying to do. Good luck.

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Are these blackhat techniques? autoblogging, and creating cycle sites could this get you deslisted from SE's. I just want to make sure I try this on something that I can throw away and not on a WH site.

SEO_Mike

Yes, cycle sites are certainly black hat and will get deindexed /banned if you leave them up too long. Autoblogs are less risky, but could get penalized as well. I think your chances of having any problems with a basic autoblog are slim if you mix things up enough, get some decent inbound links and don't over-ping the shit out of the aggregators.

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Ok. Total Noob alert. I'm sure I should get the difference between cyle sites and auto blogging by now after this massive thread and Eli's seo empire article but it's not clicking yet ( perhaps it's because I've only read the article twice and not the recommended 6 times ;P ) Was this what you were talking about Lazy hippy with Splogs? Again, sorry for any possible redundancy.

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I've set up my autoblogs and I've been posting about 5 posts per blog per day. In addition, I am using the "black hole" RSS feed generation and ping technique.

Mike, any idea what the threshold would be for over-pinging the aggregators? I'm sure it's different for every aggregator, but I wonder if you've ever run into a problem over-pinging. With the black hole technique I am using I can easily end up pinging each aggregator a few hundred times a day. Think I should scale it back some?

I might end up setting up a few groups of autoblogs, some of which I ping a ton, some of which I ping a good amount, and some of which I only ping when I make actual posts (i.e. no black hole pinging).

Dave_IL

Are you using the built in Wordpress pinging? If so I know there is a plugin that allows you to set the max number of pings for a day no matter the number of posts. That should help keep you from getting banned. If there is interest I will try and find it, it is somewhere on one of my servers.

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ubaidabcd

I should be reading those posts that were mentioned on the first page, I'm just trying to do a million things at once and now trying to keep up with this thread at the same time.

For autoblogging, where are you getting the content. Are you using some scripts to scrape content and have WP post automatically?

I just took a look at that "rss scraping and autoblogging" post and "Bam Bam" mentinoned:

"I have one blog setup which Scrapes Google Blog Search results for certain keywords, Google news, yahoo news and a few well known blog sites."

Does anybody know where somebody could get more information on this?

LazyHippy

Splog = spam-blog. I don't like the term myself, prefer 'aggregated content'

An autoblog/splog/whatever you call it will normally be aiming to get traffic from pages indexed in the search engines, a cycle site aims to pick up links from trackbacks posted on the blogs it takes content from. So for a normal autoblog the content can come from anywhere - serps, news sites, youtube, forums, anywhere with a feed. For a cycle site you want to only use places where you've got a chance of a trackback link - normally blogs, but...

Forums might work too! Some forums (like here) post trackbacks so could work, just need a way of finding out which ones.

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