LazyHippy

I wasn't knocking it at all, just very interested to see if building these sites to sell could be worth doing.

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Oh I see. Well, IMHO the answer would be yes. I think there is a market out there for people such as myself who know exactly where they want to be, have started down that road only to get stuck because their ambition is ahead of their skill level. In otherwords, we know just enough to be dangerous. Stuff like this is extremely frustrating and I would pay to skip over some of the headache. It's kind of along the lines of what I was talking about in this thread. Someone needs to market to the sophmores (which, by the way, means "wise fools" I believe, which about sums me up)

psychoul

(havent tried installing WPMU yet)
A better idea is to pay for the know-how. So if you need another one of those sites to know how to do it your self and anyway expanding your knowledge.

I have the same problem with the content point of websites. I know (or able to learn) how to build a site but I just cant (you know hands up, I quit) JUST CANT generate any content for my self. I am also reluctant to buy any articles. I just wish I could skip that part as you said

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Supergeek

I'm the opposite. I love designing and building the sites, but going out and posting on social sites, etc. etc. is kind of a black box, a mystery; not sure if I'm wasting my time, etc. But I've got a PR4 site so I'm doing something right.

psychoul

I exactly know what you mean
And it's not only a black box but a boring procedure as well, except if you automate it

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Aequitas

Don't EVER FUCKING say that bull shit. That may seem harsh but its true and take it to heart cause its the best free advice anyone will ever give you.

Back in the day I didn't know shit about shit, I didn't know how to build a site, I didn't know fuck all, back when I started we were still building sites with fucking notepad man, fucking notepad, learn that way without any real online help and tell me how hard things are. No real content management systems, no real database support, no real dynamic pages, just basic crap and thats where you've got to start out (The old saying you've got to walk before you can run does actually mean something).

These days you've got it easy to build a website, there is more free information on how to build a site then every before, HTML is the easier thing in the world to learn no matter what you experince.

If you have the ability to learn (Like all humans do) then you've got a chance to succeed. This is turning out to be a self-help post haha but let me talk about what I truly started with -------- NOTHING.

Thats right I started with $20,000 in debt with no job. Am I a success story fuck no not a chance in hell (Not yet anyway). I've also literally been 4 minutes away from collections but managed to dig down deep and stay clear but trust me not by much.

Now after a lot of hard work and not letting anyone tell me I can't do something (God knows not many people are brave enough to say it directly to me but its been implied more times then I care to mention) I'm finally almost completely out of debt and haven't had a regular job in almost 2 years. It also took me more then 3 years of learning and working my ass off before starting to see better returns.

So whats the point of this post? Well its not to say hey look at me I did it, its not to say you will do it but rather just to say that I personally hate it when people say they CANT do something.

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^^

Much Respect Aequitas. I'll add my 2 cents to it just so as the soothe the guy who posted he can't.

Well, I used to come from a rich family when my granddad was screwed by his own brothers and we were reduced to whatever low we could. When my granddad passed away my dad was 10 or probably 11. As he grew up he took a job in a bank and still works there. After that not that we were poor, but we weren't rich either.

I, being 18 myself right now, was 13 back then when i started. Asked for
300 Indian Rupees, or about $8 from my dad to start a website on my town. That website came up and went down a few times, but triggered my readiness to embrace the web.

Today at age 18, am an internet marketing consultant, own a few large forums, work on many big projects and i can say i have a better life.

I am sure, you guys must've been thinking it was sheer luck that got me here. Well the answer is yes and no. Yes because I do believe in getting lucky, and No because I fell down many times in these 4 years. Until last year, i couldn't even call myself 'successful'

I have fallen and risen many times amidst these 4 years. It was the determination to "not lose" hope that gets you to be successful. There are times when you cry, when you feel aloof, when you even wish you hadn't wasted your life in this whole internet thing. But believe me, like the glamor world, the internet too has something for everyone. It depends on when and how you find it.

And to all the other guys participating in this thread, you have even my attention right now. I'll help out and guide in whatever way I can.

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Hey Aequitas.

First of all I should say I fully respect you and learned things from your post.

However...

I think you misunderstood me and dont you think I am a lazy ass, complaining and crying about how life treats me. Not a fucking way, especially if you knew me personally. Although of all the negative stuff happening I keep going forward and I believe many people do the same.

After saying this, what I meant is that I fucking love programming. You are wrong about saying "every one is able to learn...". Not everyone is able to learn something if he/she doesnt have interest in it. I may spend 10hours to learn a freaking sentence in Spanish while someone else can do it in a minute. It takes me that long because I dont give a shit about learning that EVEN if I know I HAVE to learn it.

Programming and other technical stuff on the other hand I am able to learn much faster than other people that have less interest in. Never said I am a super programmer. Take it as you like.

Further more. When I said I cant generate content... Its not efficient to me to write a article about selling something if it takes me a whole day to make it half decent. So I guess that is called "I cant". Its not bad to identify your streangths and weaknesses and plan accordingly. Saying "I CANT" and finding an alternative root to the problem is not bad nor quitting.

That is why for my purpose I turned to programming to do that.

People have different strengths and weaknesses. It would be an utopia if everyone could do everything perfect. By saying DONT EVER SAY YOU CANT does not give you any real advantage if you really identify that you cannot do it that way. Do it fucking differently.

Anyway I hope you understand what I am talking about.

Life is not a movie man. I am sorry but its the truth. It is nice and inspiring to say "DONT SAY YOU CANT" but the reality is not like that. It's all about adjusting yourself into the situation and try for the best. I dont mean you dont have to try. Of course you need to try. Try with your hardest. Didnt make it? Try again and again. The results are not good??? Then do it differently using your strong skills. But dont just keep trying the same thing if you see that you are not good at it.

Life is not a movie man.

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Aequitas

Well now that its explained some more I did mis-understand your post I thought you were just saying fuck it I give up so I figured maybe a harder type of motivational talk was in line.

I do agree 100% that you have to identify your strengths and weaknesses that is an essencial part of any business, trying to do everything yourself will just get you bogged down and won't get you as far as you may like.

I will also say that you made a good point on the learning spanish example but I won't comment on that too much because I do fully understand where you are coming from, its just that I think differently then you do and it might come off as an argument of who is right and wrong when in reality both would be right or wrong depending on the type of person reading it.

I'm more of a philosopher when it comes to learning, I feel that I can learn anything (Given a certain amount of time), however wanting to learn something and actually learning something are truly different things.

Anyway I'm off to bed.

Oh and one more thing haven't you heard as of last week Life is like a movie.

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On another note, Wickedfire pwns any other forum out there. Why? Because we don't sell people our knowledge, we impart it for free ....And whilst doing that teach others stuff that they didn't even know existed ...

Love the way how this thread is going and I am gonna contribute a heck lot now.

Cheers to everyone!

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On another note (new post different note ) some updates on the site I'm using for this example.

I'm up to about 100 unique per day now just from submitting various videos to various related sites. You know the whole take a video embed your site URL and re-upload.

It didn't take me all that long to gain 100 unique considering I started this late and was out of a internet connection last week. (I should have kept a time frame a bit better so I know how long it actually took to get that 100 unique).

I've also been getting an ok CTR for the banners on my site, I might cheat a bit and push about 30 to 50 bucks in PPC for a bit of a boost.

The site is also now indexed in the big G, last I checked there were about 28 pages indexed and here are the keywords (According to Google webmaster tools) that I'm currently ranking for.

Cute Sexy Women - #2
Sexy Nicole Stripping - #4
Sexy Women Stripping - #15
Women Stripping On Cam - #7
camgirl stripping - #10
cute sexy booty - #4

And a bunch of other terms, all this was done in well under a month at most 2 weeks tops, however I'm still waiting to get ranked for my main term which should garner me some good traffic, I've just got to push the backlinks some more and see what happens.

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Dang doooood!
They are some nice search terms to be listed for!

I'm back at square one again with income. Since my Blogs all died when i changed hosting i've had to start everything from scratch (bye bye $15 - $20 days! Oh how i miss you!)

But its all good, Psychoul and I have joined force and we are rocking the shit out of the Autoblog world.

I'm gonna take some time to work on hand built autoblogs though, instead of automating alot of it.

i.e. video blog, game review blog. Make it more appealing to the visitor and aim for far more return visitors than we get now. (Although you can't argue with 4842 uniques in the first week of our blog empire being live.)

What should we try next? Answers on a postcard.......

turbolapp

One more question about wpmu and domains and then I promise I will stop (for today ). What do you have on the index page of your main domain if you have a whole bunch of random subdomains, none of which would tie together well? I guess you could do it like mike's Welcome to X7G.net (hey dude where's the love? you locked us out!!). And then my question would be can you disable the "create a new blog?" so that other random people aren't creating blogs?

Is there a better alternative for the main domain when using wpmu?

emp

You could also do a hosted search engine for your subdomain blogs.

Google CSE

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Having a hard time finding an adsense ready wp blog. I found one "problogger-clean", but I can't the ads to display so I made a post in the design/coding forum, but in the meantime I'm trying to look for something else. Any suggestions? I'm also looking for something clean, simple and plain without much graphics, headers, etc..

Thanks

Mike

Oh...I guess did. My bad. Sorry bout that, I'll have to post a list of blogs I have running on it.

Something that I've learned from that install and the autoblogs, BE CAREFUL which topics you put Adsense on. I had Adsense set to show up on every single new blog I put up there, until I started checking some of the posts coming in. Seemingly innocent niches can get you in serious trouble with the big G. For example: Naruto. Run that through Wordtracker and you'll see what I mean. Pretty much any cartoon. Family Guy, Simpsons, et al.

So, I took Adsense off of the WPMU.

On another note. Soulja Boy Dance Videos is #16 for Soulja Boy Dance and is moving up. That term gets 994 daily searches according to WT and the site is getting over 100 pageviews per day. That site, BTW, uses ViScript, and nothing else. Recently I noticed that all the YouTube vids aren't showing, so I'm digging into that.

Paris Hilton consistently has the highest CTR. People seem to like to click on the 468x60 banner at the top. Not sure why. Unfortunately, it's also the lowest paying one in my network. Averaging about $0.03 per click. Had a really high paying click from there the other day... $0.07!!! Wow!

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Mike

Here's a plugin for Adsense: adsense-deluxe.zip

With it you can put Adsense anywhere you want in a post, or add it to one of your WP files permanantly.

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argh01

I really like this one.
Wordpress theme: MW - Monetizing the Web - Javier García

It has 4 files in the theme directory where you add your adsense information.
ad1 is long and skinny horizontal
ad2,3,4 are 468 wide.

It has some extremely basic color options.

ubaidabcd

Is there a way to give credit to the original author of the blog post? Right now mine says, "written by admin", I removed that part. Now all it has is, "read more of this great article here".

argh01

Are you tracking stats on the wpmu installation via a plugin or using something else? I had to disable firestats on my autoblogs because I ran into a concurrent connection limit on my hosted account. Do you have a suggestion for less-database intensive methods?

argh01

I wind up with this:
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Hollywood Grind wrote a transcendent post today on “Paris Hilton Keeps Making Money.”
Here’s a quick excerpt:

Continuing on with the expansion of her mini empire, Paris Hilton has renewed her contract to represent a South Korean sportswear giant, hoping to extend her own fashion business in the Asian nation. Arriving in Seoul from Tokyo earlier …

Share and Enjoy:
These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.

Read the rest of this great post here
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Hollywood Grind is a link, here is a link. Share and enjoy is ... it's the words from the sociable plugin, but I don't know what they're doing in the feed.

If you don't get an author, you may want to try feeding your feeds through feedburner and using their title/description burner option.

ubaidabcd

Yeah, actually this is the other one I found that I've been working on and like how it looks.

ubaidabcd

That would be perfect, how can I get that to work with mine? Could you please explain what you mean by "try feeding your feeds through feedburner ".

Thanks!!!

ubaidabcd

Sorry I'm not sure what you mean, I looked up "naruto" in wordtracker (I don't have WT I used the free trial) and can't see what you're referring to, are you talking about staying away from trademark stuff? Or would those keywords bring up stuff for bit-torrent and illegal downloads?

argh01

PM me your feed?

Aequitas

Just a tip I figured out with Wordpress MU that I figured would suit this thread until I do a full write up on how to install MU.

If your running GoDaddy on a shared host you CANNOT use the MU sub-domains but you can use the Sub-Directories.

MU apparently requires you to set up your wildcard DNS which isn't an issue but you've also got to set up your httpd.config file which with GoDaddy you don't have access too and even if you ask them to set up that file they will not do it so your shit out of luck.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on that and someone did managed to make the sub-domains work on a GoDaddy shared hosting account.

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Does anybody know why my adsense ads aren't related to my content/feeds? I'm getting ads related to outsourcing. Ofcourse I don't have a domain yet, I'm using an IP address. Is this the reason? Does adsense look at your domain more than your content?

Mike

Sorry, I should have been more clear. Clarity doesn't seem to be my strong point lately. Lately I've been bopping in here, checking the thread, making a post or two and right back out. Someone else had the same question and PM'd it to me:

Actually it should be ANY autoblog, you need to be careful if you're going to put Adsense on the page. Since you don't control the content, there is a very good chance that something will slip through that violates G**gle's TOS.

What I was seeing with the Naruto blog was a lot of posts about "Naruto Hentai", and other pornographic stuff. That's when I realized "Oh shit, I have no control over what is posted since it's all automatic". Unless you want to babysit your autoblogs (which defeats the purpose) avoid using Adsense to monetize them.

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Here are the WT results for "Naruto":
Okay, obviously I'm too lazy to highlight all the bad terms, but you get the idea. Notice that after "Naruto" the two most searched terms are sex related. So, if you are pulling feeds for the keyword "naruto", you're most likely going to get a fair (lot of) number of porn posts. If G notices, bye bye Adsense account.

So, to reiterate, avoid using Adsense on your autoblogs, unless you are absolutely sure that they won't pull up anything against G**gle's TOS.

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ubaidabcd

Thanks for the update!

ubaidabcd

If anybody needs suggestions on where else to go:

CPC:
Cost per click - the cost or cost-equivalent paid per click-through.
Chitika
BidClix
BannerBoxes
Adbrite
AdSonar
Clicksor
Searchfeed
Revenue Pilot
Kontera
Adengage.com


This is from another WF thread, don't remember who created the original thread. Here's the original link: A list of Ad Networks

I also want to add: 3FN - PPC targeted advertising. Pay per click affiliate program.

I haven't worked with them, but I think I've read good reviews from somewhere, maybe DP?

DBWebDev

Am I right in thinking that Adsense shouldn't be used on autoblogs period? What do the other ad networks (ie ones ubaidabcd posted above) think of adult content etc?

Mike

That's the conclusion I have come to. Save Adsense for your white hat sites, or at least sites where you control the content. No sense getting banned for a post about porn or something else "bad".

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Smashed

Hey,
I'm slowly rolling out a wpmu install and am using adsense (I have read what SEO mike and others have said above about adsense but I reckon my content is pretty unlikely to contain anything dodgy so going to give it a shot).

My question is - can you re-use the same adsense code in multiple places on a single page?

I am planning to place adsense code directly into my WP index.php file so that when I upload the theme file the adsense code will appear by default on all of my blogs under a wpmu install. I want to have three adsense blocks - one at the bottom of each of the first three posts. Do I have to get new code for each one or can I just get one lot of adsense code and use it three times?

Mike

If you want to place the code in a specific spot on your WPMU pages, edit the template(s) you will be using, by modifying their code. You'll have to do it the old fashioned way: edit the source code, then FTP the changed file to your server.

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Warning!!!! Not autoblog related content ahead!!!

It's kind of strange, but everyone jumped on the autoblog bandwagon like a bunch of alcoholics on a bottle of MD 20/20.

For those of you looking for something different, I've mentioned Squidoo before, but I'm not sure anyone was paying attention. Squidoo.com allows you to create a "lens" about whatever you want. They handle the monetization, and you get a cut of it. There are a couple things about Squidoo that really rock:

1. It's free! No domain to purchase, no hosting to worry about. Totally free.
2. It is a well respected site, and as such gets new pages indexed very quickly and they usually rank well.
3. Don't worry about where to put your ads, Squidoo does this all for you. Sure you have to split the profits with them, but you have absolutely ZERO overhead, so quit yer bitchin'.
4. You control the content and modules on your page. Want to fill it up with more advertising? Add some Amazon modules. Want more content? Add another text module. It's up to you.
5. Get 'Lens of the Day' and you could see a nice spike in traffic, both to your Lens and any of your sites linked from your lens.
6. The links are NOT "No Follow" like a lot of blogs and Wiki-nazi-pedia.
7. Create as many lenses as you like. There's no limit.

Need an example? Here's one I made in about 30 minutes to compliment my Soulja Boy Dance blog: Crank That Soulja Boy on Squidoo

Regardless of whether or not you're an auto-blogger now, check out Squidoo. If nothing else, it can help you SEO-wise.

/edit/ if you have a Squidoo account, do me a favor and give it 5 stars when you visit I'll do the same for your lens

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argh01

So, I guess what you're saying is I should pull the google adsense from my "tila tequila hentai" site ?

Mike

ROFLMAO!! NOOOOO, by all means leave it

Anywho....

Here's an example of someone using Squidoo to market ringtones and other affiliate offers:

Squidoo : Lensmaster Page

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Smashed

SEO_Mike thanks for the reply. What is was trying to get at, though, was do I have to go to Google three separate times, get some ad unit code and paste it into the template file each time (one for the end of each post), or can I just go to Google once and paste the same code three times?

Basically, does Google care if you re-use adsense code? Will they still give you the revenue?

ubaidabcd

Adengage is all adult content, and I think 3fn also always adult content.

I'm not sure which advertiser to go with, I applied to Kontera a week ago and haven't heard from them. I don't want to choose a network that has a shortage of advertisers/ads I want ads to be displayed contionusly. I think adbrite has some kind statement saying, "If there aren't any ads available to displya, what would you like in place?". I don't want to work with a network like that. Maybe I can rotate through different ad networks, there's a WP adsense plug-in that allows that. 10 Best Wordpress Plugins for Google Adsense

edit: here's the link to that plug-in if anybody is interested: WordPress Plugin: AdRotator - Ad Rotating Solution for your Ads (including AdSense, Clicksor, Chitika etc.)

rileypool

Smashed, I've done what you're describing before and have gotten paid for it, but it sucks for determining exactly which ad is being clicked because you can't accurately track which ad unit is being clicked.

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Exactly. You can do it just once, but it makes tracking tougher.

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turbolapp

Thanks for the squidoo ideas Mike, it might be useful to promote the sites I already have going...

Smashed

OK gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up

Dave_IL

Why not setup an ad server to use across all your sites? If your smart about setting things up you can quickly change ads across all your sites with just a few clicks.

The free one I use is at openads.org

Pretty easy to setup and use.

Dave

DBWebDev

@seo_mike and ubaidabcd: thanks for the heads up about adsense.

I feel so slow at getting into this game, I'm still waiting for my new MFA domain to propogate - should have sorted that out last week. I think once I start seeing the pennies trickle in I'll have much more drive for this. I'm only doing about 5 hours a day on internet marketing, rest of the time on offline jobs - grrrrrrr.

Aequitas

Yeah I heard good stuff about openads and I've downloaded it but still haven't had the chance to install it and play around with it.

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I played with Openads on one of my sites. But it wasn't much of a grueling test, just rotating my sponsors ads on 5 pages.

It is pretty easy to use once you find your way around.

Much like a woman in that respect......

Dave_IL

Yeah but openads will help you make money not spend it

Anarkist

Since I read a bit on outsourcing in this thread, I think I should point you guys to some guy on DP selling his service ... here's the thread...
[Checkout] Turn your Spare Domains into Money Generating Machines.

Sounds like a good service, as compared to the price he's asking ....

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Woohoo, got me a $3 click in Adsense. And the last two days are my first consecutive days over $1.

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Bead

Hey folks,

I've been lurking and shooting people PM's as I get started. Thanks for the thread, SEOmike, like other have said, it was a needed shot in the arm.

I can't seem to find the answer to my question in any of the related threads, sorry if you've already been asked.

Does wp-o-matic attempt to pin trackbacks to posts that it scrapes?
I read that someone mentioned wp-autoblog does, but I can't seem to find a way to limit the number of posts it fires out. I don't want to run this project as a cycle site.

If wp-omatic doesn't pin trackbacks, and if wp-autoblog can't be limited, does anyone have any suggestions for plugins that do both of these?

Cheers