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kr338r · 10-07-2006, 10:16 AM

Thanks in advance for anyone who replies to this post with genuine help. I have searched the terms fantomaster, search engine cloaker, & Kloakit first, and have only found very limited info on them here.

I am new to making a serious attempt at making money with affiliate marketing. I have been designing local business websites for a few years(over 50 domains), and just recently got turned on to Shoemoney(who referred this site).

I have been using banner ads on some of the sites I've put up with minimal return and now know that contextual links are a much better option. I have several sites with pr's of 4 & 5, but they were gained organically.

My question is, is black hat; specifically cloaking, a viable option to get increased traffic from the search engines?
I am willing to make the monetary commitment and purchase the necessary software, but I have seen mixed reviews on the subject. I'm not sure if the people who are talking about using it are just pimping their wares, and then I hear about super-affiliates who say they use it & others who say they don't. I would appreciate any comments from people who have used this stuff, and if so, which software would you recommend?

I have looked at fantomaster, Search Engine Cloaker & Kloakit, any opinions?
Also, does anyone know if the fantomaster Super Suite is worthwhile? Is this a product that can be used multiple times on multiple domains, or is it a one-shot deal?

Thanks again for your comments.

emp · 10-07-2006, 12:40 PM

Why don't you try conextual ads without cloaking first?

::emp::

bluebobbo · 10-07-2006, 05:14 PM

syndk8.com is a free black hat forum, so you can probably ask there if nobody responds with what you're looking for.

kr338r · 10-08-2006, 08:33 PM

::emp::
that is what i'm doing now, but from what i have read, it sounds like cloaking and massive content generation are truly an advantage in this business

i'm not necessarily looking to take the easy way out, but to get up & running quickly

Andrew · 10-08-2006, 09:32 PM

I probably shouldn't be plugging other sites, but seoblackhat.com is a pretty solid resource. Their forum costs $100 a month and no one there is going to hold your hand.

Right now Google places very heavy weight on trustworthy domains. Blackhatters are hosting pages on these domains with JS redirects to whatever affiliate program. This involves very grey area stuff that some would call hacking.

The key with cloaking and content generation is have real links. Unless you have an existing network of site that may mean shelling out some $$ to buy them.

kr338r · 10-09-2006, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

I probably shouldn't be plugging other sites, but seoblackhat.com is a pretty solid resource. Their forum costs $100 a month and no one there is going to hold your hand.

you're right, you probably shouldn't! those forums aren't for the novice, they say so themselves.

kyleirwin · 10-09-2006, 04:42 PM

It doesn't matter if you're black or white...

owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

kr338r · 10-09-2006, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluebobbo

syndk8.com is a free black hat forum, so you can probably ask there if nobody responds with what you're looking for.

thanks, i tried registering, but haven't gotten "approved" yet. do u know if they don't accept hotmail addys? tia.

kr338r · 10-09-2006, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyleirwin

It doesn't matter if you're black or white...

owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

and that means.............?

10-07-2006, 10:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
kr338r 2nd prize is steak knives Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 223 iTrader: (0)	White or Black? Thanks in advance for anyone who replies to this post with genuine help. I have searched the terms fantomaster, search engine cloaker, & Kloakit first, and have only found very limited info on them here. I am new to making a serious attempt at making money with affiliate marketing. I have been designing local business websites for a few years(over 50 domains), and just recently got turned on to Shoemoney(who referred this site). I have been using banner ads on some of the sites I've put up with minimal return and now know that contextual links are a much better option. I have several sites with pr's of 4 & 5, but they were gained organically. My question is, is black hat; specifically cloaking, a viable option to get increased traffic from the search engines? I am willing to make the monetary commitment and purchase the necessary software, but I have seen mixed reviews on the subject. I'm not sure if the people who are talking about using it are just pimping their wares, and then I hear about super-affiliates who say they use it & others who say they don't. I would appreciate any comments from people who have used this stuff, and if so, which software would you recommend? I have looked at fantomaster, Search Engine Cloaker & Kloakit, any opinions? Also, does anyone know if the fantomaster Super Suite is worthwhile? Is this a product that can be used multiple times on multiple domains, or is it a one-shot deal? Thanks again for your comments.

10-07-2006, 12:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
emp Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,709 iTrader: (7)	Why don't you try conextual ads without cloaking first? ::emp:: __________________ Blind Ape Seo ¦ My WickedFire articles

10-07-2006, 05:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
bluebobbo Mhmm Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 225 iTrader: (0)	syndk8.com is a free black hat forum, so you can probably ask there if nobody responds with what you're looking for. __________________ Failured. No Bullsh* Affiliate Marketing

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kyleirwin I <3 babies, money & guns Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,629 iTrader: (0)	It doesn't matter if you're black or white... owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! __________________ Nobody ever lost their shirt with their sleeves rolled up.

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10-08-2006, 08:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
kr338r 2nd prize is steak knives Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 223 iTrader: (0)	::emp:: that is what i'm doing now, but from what i have read, it sounds like cloaking and massive content generation are truly an advantage in this business i'm not necessarily looking to take the easy way out, but to get up & running quickly

10-08-2006, 09:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
Andrew Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,009 iTrader: (0)	I probably shouldn't be plugging other sites, but seoblackhat.com is a pretty solid resource. Their forum costs $100 a month and no one there is going to hold your hand. Right now Google places very heavy weight on trustworthy domains. Blackhatters are hosting pages on these domains with JS redirects to whatever affiliate program. This involves very grey area stuff that some would call hacking. The key with cloaking and content generation is have real links. Unless you have an existing network of site that may mean shelling out some $$ to buy them.