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Old 10-07-2009, 09:03 AM   #1
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Fuckyeah My quest to reach 30k a year in IM - From the ground up

Here I will document my journey to 30k a year. My husband and I just had our baby and I want to stay at home with her! So, I'll take any input I can during my journey. Feel free to correct me in mistakes, or just make any damn comment you want to this thread.

I'm on EST and work a full time job currently. If I don't get anything out during the afternoon, I'll be updating my thread in the evenings. Here's what I'll be accomplishing tonight when I get home.

Signup for at least two affiliate networks.

I'm thinking about doing Clickbank and Share a sale. I've heard Clickbank carries a lot of shit ebooks, so we'll see if Share a sale looks promising. Tonight I should have a product selected with some keyword research I'll be posting back up here.

I downloaded MarketSamurai and the keyword research tool appears to be still functional after my 15 day trial ended. I'll post up my screens this evening after I've selected the product I plan on marketing. I might register the domain this evening as well.

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Old 10-07-2009, 09:09 AM   #2
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I should also say I'll be focusing on both organic searches and PPC. I'll be trying to hit the on and off page SEO hard at first then move into Google PPC.
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Go for it man. Make sure you keep it at 30K profit, not revenue. I know that's stupid to say but you'd be surprised what people will say.
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good luck, i will be starting my quest soon as well.
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:03 PM   #9
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Good luck to ya. Make sure to create a thread in the Shooting the Shit section introducing yourself and click on through to any recommendations people give you. You'll find lots of help here.
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I did a little research on Clickbank today and here's what I've come up with so far. I'm trying to find stuff I'm interested in (Good for article writing). So here's a little list I've come up with so far. I've yet to narrow this list down and start on some keyword research on each market.

Clickbank Affiliate Potential

1. PC registry fixer

2.DVD and Game backup

3. some flight simulator

4. tattoo stuff

5. Government Auctions

6. The countdown until the year 2012 (I'm sure this would be a tough market lol..)

7. Game testing

8. Cooking

9. The awesome WII console!

Decision decisions... I'll keep all of you posted on my selection this evening!
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From personal experience I can tell you Clickbank is a really shitty network to run traffic to starting out. Their landing pages suck, their products are overpriced and you will have a hell of a time converting anything.
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From personal experience I can tell you Clickbank is a really shitty network to run traffic to starting out. Their landing pages suck, their products are overpriced and you will have a hell of a time converting anything.

Do you have any recommendations on another network? The second network I'm going to register on is ShareASale
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Are you trying to make money or build a hobby ?
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Are you trying to make money or build a hobby ?
I'm trying to make as much as I can. Since I like doing SEO I think IM will be a great hobby that I'll be able to move into full time when I hit my 30k benchmark. I'm hoping to get there within a year.
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Doing the above is not going to make you much, you need to join a CPA network like C2M, COPEAC, Neverblue, CX Digital, etc...........
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Tits or gtfo.
I would say there is no need to be a dick but this WF after all, so whatevs.

More importantly, to the mods, how about a subforum in the newbie section for journal threads. Some of them like Lemon's get to be really popular. How about grouping them altogether, the people that start them and post there get a sense of newbie camaraderie and anybody that finds them annoying can avoid them altogether.

And finally, good luck webwork.
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Nobody makes money on ClickBank, not even God. Get signed up at a proper grownup network like hydra or copeac asap
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It looks like a lot of these networks require a tax id for a business which I do not currently have.
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It looks like a lot of these networks require a tax id for a business which I do not currently have.
Use your social security number.
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Ok, so I've been getting a lot of feed back on the networks I had originally picked. Since there has been so much negativity towards ClickBank and the like, I've started researching other options for affiliate marketing. This was kind of a set back, but I should be on track here shortly. I'll post back which route I've decided to go as soon as I figure it out.
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All the best and go for it. If you can feel you can push CB effectively and get sales then don't look back.
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My goal is to do 10,000+ per month- which I can effectively do by earning 400$ per day. I do not see any reason why you cannot do the same. In your original post, you mentioned that you want to do 30K per year? I think this is still a bit low for you, and I really hope you can do higher.

I am also wondering how else you are planning to market?

I also disagree that there are tons of "bad" books on clickbank, it's a matter of finding the right ones. There are ways to check the quality of the books you are going to promote. You can easily ask the merchant for a sample to read from their product, and ask them even why you should promote them (ask for stats etc...).

You could also make your own product and market it. Could this ever be an option for you? If you do this, then at least you get 100% of the sales money, because it's your own product, and you can market it on clickbank.

You can get books made by hiring a writer, or you can write it yourself, and sell it in much the same way you just described. This could be an option for you in the future as well.

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DAY 1: Andrea's Journal

Ok, so here's the skinny. So far, I've gotten a couple products down. Last night I signed up for a CPA network and found some interesting stuff. I went ahead and chose an offer that am now trying to market on Facebook. I found out that you can get a 100 USD credit for Facebook Advertising just by joining the visa business network so I went ahead and did this.

Facebook takes FOREVER to approve ads. I can't believe how long you have to wait before they accept them. After my ad got accepted it suggested I start it off at about 70 cents per click! I dropped that down to about 10 cents per click and let it run to see if there would at least be any impressions. It's been running for a few hours still holding at 0 impressions.

I just switched it to CPM which got it thrown back in the Facebook "review" pile (sigh). We'll see what happens when it gets approved again. I'm hoping I'll start to see some impressions @ 10 cents. I can see the 100 bucks being burned through pretty fast on there if you don't throttle it. For every email submit I get a buck .

Anyways, this was the first CPA I've ever tried. I'll be moving into one or two more products as well. I'm pretty focused on tooth whitening and tattoos! I'll post back this evening with more definitive information and hopefully a new domain name or two .

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Not sure how far 100 will take you paying for traffic. Actually yeah I do it will leave you frustrated.

Personally I would recommend blogging using wordpress. You can get a site indexed quickly and later on you can automate this as your experience grows. At this point your expense is time and you have an asset at the end of it rather than a $100 hole and no sales.

With the money from this slower method you can go into paying for traffic with no real fear of losing money.
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Ok, so here's the skinny. So far, I've gotten a couple products down. Last night I signed up for a CPA network and found some interesting stuff. I went ahead and chose an offer that am now trying to market on Facebook. I found out that you can get a 100 USD credit for Facebook Advertising just by joining the visa business network so I went ahead and did this.

Facebook takes FOREVER to approve ads. I can't believe how long you have to wait before they accept them. After my ad got accepted it suggested I start it off at about 70 cents per click! I dropped that down to about 10 cents per click and let it run to see if there would at least be any impressions. It's been running for a few hours still holding at 0 impressions.

I just switched it to CPM which got it thrown back in the Facebook "review" pile (sigh). We'll see what happens when it gets approved again. I'm hoping I'll start to see some impressions @ 10 cents. I can see the 100 bucks being burned through pretty fast on there if you don't throttle it. For every email submit I get a buck .

Anyways, this was the first CPA I've ever tried. I'll be moving into one or two more products as well. I'm pretty focused on tooth whitening and tattoos! I'll post back this evening with more definitive information and hopefully a new domain name or two .

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Forgot about getting clicks for .10 unless you're pushing a .50%+ CTR on your ads. Start of with about 75% of the suggestion bid. Make sure you submit a dozen different ads at the very least so you could see which one will have a higher CTR. If the ad is generating .10%+ ctr, then you should see the suggestion bid dropping by at the very least half that what it started. I've had suggestion bids go from 0.60 to 0.25 within 1 hour of a decent ctr ad running.
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******UPDATE*******

I just pulled in a whopping two dollars from the Facebook advertising! I created a couple different ads to see which one would convert better. Surprisingly, the first ad I created has done the best. This is the CPM ad. On my CPC ad I've got over 12,000 impressions and 0 clicks. I just copied the CPM ad and made one for CPC. We'll see what happens.

8 clicks two conversions
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I hope to get even more

I'm still researching the two markets I posted before. I don't think I'll be getting the domain(s) just yet. I want to be definitive on what I would like to market before I jump into it. After I make my selection, I'll be pursuing the organic searches.

So far I've burned through $9.33 on Facebook advertising.

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Old 10-08-2009, 10:37 PM   #36
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Forgot about getting clicks for .10 unless you're pushing a .50%+ CTR on your ads. Start of with about 75% of the suggestion bid. Make sure you submit a dozen different ads at the very least so you could see which one will have a higher CTR. If the ad is generating .10%+ ctr, then you should see the suggestion bid dropping by at the very least half that what it started. I've had suggestion bids go from 0.60 to 0.25 within 1 hour of a decent ctr ad running.
Thanks for the tips. I've notices the CPM ads are burning through the money really fast. I just paused the CPM and am waiting for another CPC ad to come online.
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Old 10-09-2009, 05:15 AM   #37
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Good luck with that, i'm on a similar journey.
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Old 10-09-2009, 10:33 AM   #38
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DAY 1: Andrea's Journal

I found out that you can get a 100 USD credit for Facebook Advertising just by joining the visa business network so I went ahead and did this.
I wasn't aware of this. Having recently (re)set similar goals as well. This helps. Thanks.
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:09 PM   #39
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DAY 2:

Ok, so I'm still stuck on the Facebook ads! I've joined a network called White Fire Media. Josh (Crack) and Jeff from White Fire Media have been helping me tons! Josh is my AM and has been getting me situated/helping me with my FB ads. BTW, I want to thank Jeff for all the wonderful tips on where to grab on some good offers for advertising. This has helped a lot!

So far I'm still holding strong on the two dollars. So far, I've blow through 27 dollars of the 100. I've got a couple other email submits going on at the same time so we'll see! I'm going to take this late through the night and hope to at least do 50 dollars. I want to establish this campaign before I move on to make a LP for the product I decide to market.

I'll be back on here editing this with another update before the nights over. I just want two thank Jeff & Josh again over at White Fire Media for ALL of the help they have given me. I hope to come back with some great news tonight!

Here's some FB ad stats I'm at

Ad1 - type:CPM Statusaused
IMP - 62,000
Clicks:14
CTR: 0.02
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Type:CPM
Ad2 : Status - Running
CPM:5,821
Clicks:4
CTR: 0.07


Hopefully this gets better into the night. Since it's Friday, I imagine it should do pretty good.
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:55 PM   #40
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Apparently I did not thank Josh up there. Josh has taken the time to assist me with my FB ads. I can't believe the effort he's put into making sure I'm off the ground and on track. Thank you!
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Old 10-09-2009, 10:40 PM   #41
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Great thread and good luck to you! I love the targeting capabilities with Facebook ads, but it gets expensive fairly quickly if you're ads aren't converting.
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Old 10-10-2009, 10:19 PM   #45
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Great thread and good luck to you! I love the targeting capabilities with Facebook ads, but it gets expensive fairly quickly if you're ads aren't converting.

Day3: Stuck on Facebook

Ok, I'm still plugging away on Facebook...The money on there sure does burn fast! I've tried about 4 different products with very little success! One product I was advertising I found the link was broken ...I couldn't believe it! So, I had to suspend the entire campaign.

I just tried another product but Facebook shot down my advertisement for some reason. I did mention the word "free" in there so I don't know if that was the problem. I mean, it says free on the lander so I don't know what the hell their problems are.

I've been searching the Googles for another Facebook coupon.. So far I'm out 60 bucks on Facebook with a 4 dollar intake. I'm hoping for some really good conversions to makeup for everything.

So in total, today, I've gotten about 55 clicks with 0 conversions.. I don't know if this is normal for Facebook. Maybe it's the landers. I'm still going to be plugging away here trying to get something to convert solid. I'll be planning on moving to organic here soon! I promise . This PPC stuff has gotten me all tied up. I created about 15 ads on there! I'll be going to the Yahoo search network here soon.

If anybody has some advice, I'm open! BTW I do want to thank everybody for the wonderful supportive comments on my thread. I really do hope I can hit my IM goals here. With the perseverance I carry, this should be possible.
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You can't use Facebook coupons unless it's a new account. Unless you plan on getting new CCs/accounts I wouldn't bother looking for coupons.
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Old 10-11-2009, 11:26 PM   #47
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You can't use Facebook coupons unless it's a new account. Unless you plan on getting new CCs/accounts I wouldn't bother looking for coupons.
DAY:4



Thanks for the info! Today I've spent my 100 dollars on Facebook. I've gotten a total of 14 dollars return.. I'll have to figure out a way to get better conversions if I don't want to go negative when I start investing my own cash! Anyways, I'm about to move on to the Yahoo network and test the waters. I'm getting one hundred something bucks in ad credit for only 30 bucks. I'll post the link as soon as I dig it out of my email . I think I made some poor decisions with the Facebook advertising. If I could go back, I would have only tried to target a max of two products. I kinda went over board with like 5 different things.

I'm going to take the two products that converted the best for me and move on to Yahoo. After I've burned through the yahoo network, maybe I can go on to Google and so on. I'll probably end up back at Facebook though. I kinda like their advertising there. I can't really say to much though since I haven't gotten the experience on the others. I'll be sure to post my review on everything as I go along.

My husband has a Facebook account and I was wondering if he might be able to grab a 100 dollar advertising credit from them as well. That though has been lingering with me all day. Do any of you know if they would flag both of our accounts? I don't want our FB accounts banned.

I've been talking with my AM and PPC has been the preferred method to make money in IM. I'm still determined to go the organic route on a good product, but it seems like CPA offers do very well in the PPC world.

So here's the questions I've got:

Question 1: Can I have my husband signup for Facebook ads and get a 100 dollar credits without getting flagged?

Question 2: Is PPC/CPM the preferred method for affiliates? *Most of the people I've talked to almost all say they only focus on these models. How many people are going the organic route?
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30k?

Whoa buddy don't set the bar too high now..
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30k?

Whoa buddy don't set the bar too high now..
Was this sarcastic?

Many people tell me this is a low ball.
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