Affiliate Marketing for 2010. How come nobody will tell the truth?

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Hey guys,
I want to know the truth about why nobody will actually show other people how to make money online? I have bought many E-Books, subscribed to several how to programs, read tons of blogs and websites, and visited many forums on affiliate marketing. The common theme that I am seeing is that the way people used to make money online in 2005 is drastically different from how people really make money in 2010. The other thing that I am seeing is that the ones making all the money are selling E-Books and programs on how to make money or how to get more traffic. But everytime I order the E-book or program all I see are ideas and concepts and not actual proven step by step techniques on stuff that will work. For example, they tell you to go with your passion. So if you love dogs then start a dog blog, then make bank from it. Thats bullshit. If that were profitable then these so called gurus would be doing it. If people want info on dogs they watch Animal Planet or goto animal planets website.

And then these gurus show us their clickbank accounts or paypal accounts with $1,000 days. A person with a blog about dogs will never have $1,000 days. The only reason those kids have $1,000 days is because they just launched something big like the new mobile marketing programs that people have never seen before. And the truth is, yes that is a very smart thing to do by coming up with a viral product, but the fact is we cant all do that. There are only just a few products that are going to blow up like that.

Anyways, Im not looking to be the next IPOD inventor or anything, I just want to make enough bank online to quit my shit job. I am a super salesman and I am wanting to setup accounts with shareasale or other networks that will allow me to refer traffic to their sites and get paid $$$. But the real question is how the fuck do I do it? Im not gonna make jack shit by slapping up 1,000's of spam links everywhere. Article marketing is 2005. And WTF kind of niche blog can I start that will allow me to refer people to online retailers? Thats what I really want to know.

Thanks,
Trav
 


xTrav said:
Hey guys,
I want to know the truth about why nobody will actually show other people how to make money online? I have bought many E-Books, subscribed to several how to programs, read tons of blogs and websites, and visited many forums on affiliate marketing. The common theme that I am seeing is that the way people used to make money online in 2005 is drastically different from how people really make money in 2010. The other thing that I am seeing is that the ones making all the money are selling E-Books and programs on how to make money or how to get more traffic. But everytime I order the E-book or program all I see are ideas and concepts and not actual proven step by step techniques on stuff that will work. For example, they tell you to go with your passion. So if you love dogs then start a dog blog, then make bank from it. Thats bullshit. If that were profitable then these so called gurus would be doing it. If people want info on dogs they watch Animal Planet or goto animal planets website.

And then these gurus show us their clickbank accounts or paypal accounts with $1,000 days. A person with a blog about dogs will never have $1,000 days. The only reason those kids have $1,000 days is because they just launched something big like the new mobile marketing programs that people have never seen before. And the truth is, yes that is a very smart thing to do by coming up with a viral product, but the fact is we cant all do that. There are only just a few products that are going to blow up like that.

Anyways, Im not looking to be the next IPOD inventor or anything, I just want to make enough bank online to quit my shit job. I am a super salesman and I am wanting to setup accounts with shareasale or other networks that will allow me to refer traffic to their sites and get paid $$$. But the real question is how the fuck do I do it? Im not gonna make jack shit by slapping up 1,000's of spam links everywhere. Article marketing is 2005. And WTF kind of niche blog can I start that will allow me to refer people to online retailers? Thats what I really want to know.

Thanks,
Trav
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Dude the info is here on the interwebz... Fuck all ebooks..

You will have to find a nose where to fidn good solid information.,. The you take your small amount off knowledge and apply it.... I just started my first SEO poject and made an open journal and I'm getting help in there when I want...

What are you looking ro now? Doyou wont find is somebody listening to this thread and says , ohhh since you are asking so nice so will I take time out off my life to help you straight off the bat because you offer such value straight back to me and you show me that you really wan to know when you TAKE ACTION to write a thread and complain about it.

If you want help show people that you take action and when you are doing something come with very specific question no hypothetical BS... Take action and you will get help.

M
 
Nobody's gonna tell you EXACTLY what to do because why wouldn't they do it themselves instead of telling you??

I give you an example:

If I find a profitable niche and access it in an innovative way that makes me a lot of $$$, why on earth would I tell you?

People will give you the BASICS, but in the end, to make good $$$, you'll still have to use your own brain and be creative. If you are just looking for something where people tell you exactly what to do, then a job at McDs is probably better ;)
 
If you're really reading and paying attention, there is enough information in the "Sticky" threads at the top of each section of this forum to burn up a month or two of your time and provide you with enough of a foundation that you can at least have a serious conversation about marketing without sounding retarded. If you're a self-starter you can probably go ahead and just start with that info and be making some money.

If you've got a realistic goal and already have an income offline -- which you seem to -- then you just need to start experimenting. Don't buy any more ebooks. In fact, here's a short (and probably incomplete) list of all the things on which you either need to stop wasting money or never start:

1) eBooks

2) Almost all software, notable exception being uBot, which is specifically designed to help you save time, which is incredibly important.

3) Premium WordPress themes guaranteed to increase conversions and yaddah fucking blah. Premium Joomla themes ditto. Premium landing page layouts etc.

4) Paid subscriptions to anything that is designed to help you with marketing. If you can't make a few dollars without a $200 a month Compete Pro account, you're fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fuked and did I mention fucked. Stuff like Compete, TeraPeak, SEOBook, DT's paid service and even a pro WickedFire account can help you improve your earnings -- but the watchword there is improve -- zero improved by 40% is still zero.

5) Domain names that seem like a good idea at the time. Never, ever, ever register a whole load of domain names in a single sweep, on the assumption that you'll find one that works and let the others go because you made so much money on the one that worked (or even more funny, on the assumption that you're going to build a "network" and might as well get "all the good names" while they're still available.) Wait until you need a domain, find a semi-decent one that suits you, and register it.

5)a) "Premium" domain names. Never buy a domain name for anything more than reg fee unless you actually know something about domain names, and/or already have plenty of money to piss away on shit you don't need. Again: When you find that you need a domain name, spend half an hour or less finding the least stupid name you can and register it with a $3 GoDaddy coupon.

Do not spend any/any more money or time on any of this stuff.

Do spend time reading the sticky threads at this forum, and the threads that have traction in the marketing sections. Don't spend all your WF time looking at tits or scrolling through BST. Don't even waste time asking questions -- most have been answered over and over and over again. Ask the search box if you have a question. Spend your core WF time reading sticky threads, and threads in the marketing section that have a sensible title and a high number of responses.

Do this for say half an hour a day for a month. Make notes, because like any other forum a thread with 100 responses probably has 40 that are "Awesome post!" and that kind of thing, and you want to filter it down.

Then try something -- try anything. Fail spectactularly. There's a "truth" that the gurus don't tell you. Fail spectacularly. Don't be afraid to lose. In fact, fuck shit up, lose money then come here and laugh about it. Any person on this forum who is making money has also lost money, often in ways that in retrospect seem completely stupid and obvious. Lose, laugh, learn and move on.

^^^^I feel like I'm talking guruspeake here, except as far as I know gurus don't tell people to lose and be happy about it.

The truth you seem to be seeking isn't going to come out of any of the glitter and sales pitches. Many if not most ebooks that contain even an iota of useful information are copied, either from earlier books, offline stuff, or successful forums like this one. Keep your money and make a better investment of your time by getting your info from the source. And aside from that, the only secret anyone is hiding is nothing ventured - nothing gained. You just have to learn, try, fail, try, profit - note and repeat -- then try something new, fail, try, fail, try, profit -- note and repeat -- etc.


Frank
 
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fm1234 said:
If you're really reading and paying attention, there is enough information in the "Sticky" threads at the top of each section of this forum to burn up a month or two of your time and provide you with enough of a foundation that you can at least have a serious conversation about marketing without sounding retarded. If you're a self-starter you can probably go ahead and just start with that info and be making some money.

If you've got a realistic goal and already have an income offline -- which you seem to -- then you just need to start experimenting. Don't buy any more ebooks. In fact, here's a short (and probably incomplete) list of all the things on which you either need to stop wasting money or never start:

1) eBooks

2) Almost all software, notable exception being uBot, which is specifically designed to help you save time, which is incredibly important.

3) Premium WordPress themes guaranteed to increase conversions and yaddah fucking blah. Premium Joomla themes ditto. Premium landing page layouts etc.

4) Paid subscriptions to anything that is designed to help you with marketing. If you can't make a few dollars without a $200 a month Compete Pro account, you're fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fuked and did I mention fucked. Stuff like Compete, TeraPeak, SEOBook, DT's paid service and even a pro WickedFire account can help you improve your earnings -- but the watchword there is improve -- zero improved by 40% is still zero.

5) Domain names that seem like a good idea at the time. Never, ever, ever register a whole load of domain names in a single sweep, on the assumption that you'll find one that works and let the others go because you made so much money on the one that worked (or even more funny, on the assumption that you're going to build a "network" and might as well get "all the good names" while they're still available.) Wait until you need a domain, find a semi-decent one that suits you, and register it.

5)a) "Premium" domain names. Never buy a domain name for anything more than reg fee unless you actually know something about domain names, and/or already have plenty of money to piss away on shit you don't need. Again: When you find that you need a domain name, spend half an hour or less finding the least stupid name you can and register it with a $3 GoDaddy coupon.

Do not spend any/any more money or time on any of this stuff.

Do spend time reading the sticky threads at this forum, and the threads that have traction in the marketing sections. Don't spend all your WF time looking at tits or scrolling through BST. Don't even waste time asking questions -- most have been answered over and over and over again. Ask the search box if you have a question. Spend your core WF time reading sticky threads, and threads in the marketing section that have a sensible title and a high number of responses.

Do this for say half an hour a day for a month. Make notes, because like any other forum a thread with 100 responses probably has 40 that are "Awesome post!" and that kind of thing, and you want to filter it down.

Then try something -- try anything. Fail spectactularly. There's a "truth" that the gurus don't tell you. Fail spectacularly. Don't be afraid to lose. In fact, fuck shit up, lose money then come here and laugh about it. Any person on this forum who is making money has also lost money, often in ways that in retrospect seem completely stupid and obvious. Lose, laugh, learn and move on.

^^^^I feel like I'm talking guruspeake here, except as far as I know gurus don't tell people to lose and be happy about it.

The truth you seem to be seeking isn't going to come out of any of the glitter and sales pitches. Many if not most ebooks that contain even an iota of useful information are copied, either from earlier books, offline stuff, or successful forums like this one. Keep your money and make a better investment of your time by getting your info from the source. And aside from that, the only secret anyone is hiding is nothing ventured - nothing gained. You just have to learn, try, fail, try, profit - note and repeat -- then try something new, fail, try, fail, try, profit -- note and repeat -- etc.


Frank
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You see...I do know how to get the answers that I need :) You just told me exactly everything that I needed to know bro. I knew that all of the E-Books on clickbank were copied and rehashed shit that I can find for free if I just do enough digging on Google or in these forums. Thanks!

Trav
 
My only other point to this thread is...that 1 person cannot sell every fking thing online by themselves. Customers like choices. Competition will always be around. That's why we have Amazon and Barnes and Noble and all of the other 100's of places selling the same fking books. 1 person can't sell every fking item that is listed on Clickbank. So that was the real reason on why I don't understand why people won't share the money making secrets? There are plenty of products to go around for everyone. Someone could show me their foolproof money making strategy and I could go use it to sell other shit that they never even thought of before. So it's not like I would be taking any money away from them. It only makes the economy better to have more successful people online. When everybody is fking broke and struggling then the economy is just going to keep struggling. But I will get to work and fuck up 1,000 times just so that I can learn the hard way before I finally discover the secret of life.
 
xTrav said:
My only other point to this thread is...that 1 person cannot sell every fking thing online by themselves. Customers like choices. Competition will always be around. That's why we have Amazon and Barnes and Noble and all of the other 100's of places selling the same fking books. 1 person can't sell every fking item that is listed on Clickbank. So that was the real reason on why I don't understand why people won't share the money making secrets? There are plenty of products to go around for everyone. Someone could show me their foolproof money making strategy and I could go use it to sell other shit that they never even thought of before. So it's not like I would be taking any money away from them. It only makes the economy better to have more successful people online. When everybody is fking broke and struggling then the economy is just going to keep struggling. But I will get to work and fuck up 1,000 times just so that I can learn the hard way before I finally discover the secret of life.
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The problem is that as soon as you post specific info like that the method is dead because it's not just you, it's the 1000 other people that will also try to compete - especially if there is a low barrier to entry (eg. ppc, all you need is a credit card)
 
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Let me just say from experience: the best methods are the ones you try yourself.

E-mail lists. Hmm... Let's find a niche. Hmm... Let's find a way to promote it. That's not working? Okay, why? Is it working for anyone (cause then I can figure out how to make it work for me.) Why has my site lost it's traffic in the SERPS. Let's Google that. Oh! It's the Google dance. Okay, so in week-month my site will be back. Based on the research, I should still slowly build backlinks. And, in the meantime instead of waiting for it to magically come back tomorrow, I should find another niche with good traffic and pretty low competition and build a new site and work on that.

Great, I have traffic from SEO. Time to optimize my page now. I'll use Google's split testing tool and test headers, completely new versions of the page, buttons, images, everything. Great, now my page get's rediculous people to opt in. But now I should work on and learn how to make money and then maximize making money from my list. Awesome, everything is really well optimized (I'll keep note I should always keep optimizing at least a few times a month or week but it's pretty darn good.)

Because I have amazing conversions, I can afford rediculous clicks cause each lead is WORTH so FRICKING MUCH. Now I have an advantage over my competition. Great! Now maybe I can do some paid stuff (or maybe you would have started with paid, paid takes a little money but everything good in life does). Okay, what's available? There's the search engines. Okay great. Google Adwords. From what I know, they have the quality score. It's a pain in the ass, literally, but can reap significant volume. Basically, you need to build a semi-quality site to get good quality scores which means you pay less to have your ad shown higher and pay less per click. So you have to learn with, test, and deal with Adwords. Or there's the content network. Or there's Yahoo Search and Bing search where there is no quality score that's quite as annoying and you'll have less problems with less competition and way less volume (but who need's reiduclous volume if you're starting, anywho?) Okay, there's also Facebook, and Myspace, and 360, and POF, and I think Twitter now, and Second tier (i think they're called) search engines, and buying banners direct (aka media buying). Or you go to a new niche, make a new SERP site, find a new way to promote (list trade, w/e)... etc.

Okay, offers. There's CPA, underwhcih you have leads and sales, leads obviously easier to convert. Clickbank being much harder since you hve to get a sale. Etc. etc. etc.

MAIN POINT, TRY SHIT. And think about things clearly. Test shit.

Why isn't something working... How can I fix it? Is it working for anybody? How are they doing it? What options do I have? What deadlines am I setting for myself? Etc.
 
DreamMachine said:
The problem is that as soon as you post specific info like that the method is dead because it's not just you, it's the 1000 other people that will also try to compete - especially if there is a low barrier to entry (eg. ppc, all you need is a credit card)
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Yeah I understand. But I am a decent person and I don't like to cheat or scam people. This is why I am still sitting on my ass studying up on the whole affiliate marketing game instead of taking action. Im starting to see the bigger picture to this whole thing that most of the big money is made through scamming and selling bullshit to the lambs. Especially after the whole Shawn Hogan garbage with e-bay, Im thinking that most of the top dog affiliates are just douche bags and I could never live with myself if that is what I turned into. I am trying to find a legit, honest, legal pathway into this affiliate game where I can make bank and still feel good enough to sleep at night.

Trav
 
xTrav said:
A person with a blog about dogs will never have $1,000 days.
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Oh really? If you're giving your visitors what they're looking for, you can easily have $1,000 days in this market. People spend shitloads on their pets - be it physical products or even (DRUMROLL) ebooks.

There are no secrets, just guidelines and tactics. Here's an evergreen model for you:

1) Pick a niche within a market where you know people are spending money and stick to it. Do not bounce around trying to promote everything under the sun.

2) Create something of value for your prospects (e.g. content site/blog that recommends other products, your own information product or even a physical product).

3) Find the most cost effective way to reach your prospects (i.e. traffic generation)

4) Profit

Optional but highly recommended:

5) Capture leads to sell them other products (either your own or as an affiliate)
 
Hmm you do realize that you are sounding like whiny little bitch? That is one off the worst start you can get when you are trying to network and get value from others. Man the fuck up and get in the horse and DO SOMETHING TAKE ACTION...

You have gotten ton of real solid advice in this thread..
 
onkelmicha said:
Hmm you do realize that you are sounding like whiny little bitch? That is one off the worst start you can get when you are trying to network and get value from others. Man the fuck up and get in the horse and DO SOMETHING TAKE ACTION...

You have gotten ton of real solid advice in this thread..
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Thanks! :)
 
xTrav said:
The common theme that I am seeing is that the way people used to make money online in 2005 is drastically different from how people really make money in 2010.
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Mmm no dude, that hasn't changed a bit. Provide valuable content to people, free information, and you are golden.

But ya quick cash and spammy tactics do change all the time. But don't chase after them, you'll never win in the long run.

Once you get advanced, you can do the combination of the two. Second one mostly for fun, but have a long term strategy at all times.
 
OP. You will never find the answer you're looking for. I was in your shoes once and realized quickly that if people lay down a step-by-step guide to baby you into affiliate marketing, you'll always be a tit-suckin whiny baby in affiliate marketing.

It seems you already have some knowledge with Internet marketing. Use it. Take some fuckin action.
 
Like the guys above are saying, try stuff and learn from it. Somebody can tell you their master plan strategy step by step and you could still totally fail with it. In my experience, there may be a 15 step method, but when you actually apply it each step has a whole bunch of substeps and subtleties of execution that you can never learn from someone else. Sometimes you do something 20 times and then it just clicks and you start making it work by changing something very very minor. In short, stickies + experience = progress.

I'm making a living at this but I was a massive fuckup for like 2 years. I always made money, but like a few hundred dollars a month and most of my new projects would fail so I would just waste a lot of time. But all those failures taught me something and eventually it clicked and I realized some subtleties that I had been neglecting. Now I'm going back and getting traffic to those old failures and they've making money. Everyone needs to go through that process of failing in order to get good at this.

So just start building sites and blogs and whatever and get over your prejudices about what will work and what won't and try things. And always be building (that's somebody's signature around here). Do that while you read and ask questions and you'll makje progress. But don't quit your day job just yet.
 
Talk to -god-, he has an account here.

ask and ye shall receive. He has been extremely helpful to me for no reason so perhaps he IS god.
 
JohnShepherd said:
Nobody's gonna tell you EXACTLY what to do because why wouldn't they do it themselves instead of telling you??

I give you an example:

If I find a profitable niche and access it in an innovative way that makes me a lot of $$$, why on earth would I tell you?

People will give you the BASICS, but in the end, to make good $$$, you'll still have to use your own brain and be creative. If you are just looking for something where people tell you exactly what to do, then a job at McDs is probably better ;)
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Well said buddy!!

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I'll tell you how I made $80 in 10 minutes. I made a porn site, one of those video sites like tube8. I wrote a script to "scrape" porn movies (flash). I put random information about the movies. I signed up with an affiliate. I spammed the SHIT out of a social network site related to "hot chicks" (amazing thing that people that like to look at hot chicks also like porn). Within minutes I had made $80. Somebody wanted to watch live girls. Real blackhat, but hell, it worked. I outed that one, because I no longer own the domain (sold it/didn't mention the name), and also, spamming that site was a bitch.

The moral of the story is, come up with something that people like/want. Find a method for bringing in traffic (perhaps something less blackhat than what I shared). And make monies.

Let's take a look at you. You want(ed) to believe that you can buy a book/program that is going to hold your hand and make you money. So, you spent your own money on an affiliate program that made other people money. You bought the sizzle, but not the steak. Apply your own interests to your marketing.
 
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