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Old 08-15-2010, 11:09 AM   #1
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Interesting Affiliate Marketing for 2010. How come nobody will tell the truth?

Hey guys,
I want to know the truth about why nobody will actually show other people how to make money online? I have bought many E-Books, subscribed to several how to programs, read tons of blogs and websites, and visited many forums on affiliate marketing. The common theme that I am seeing is that the way people used to make money online in 2005 is drastically different from how people really make money in 2010. The other thing that I am seeing is that the ones making all the money are selling E-Books and programs on how to make money or how to get more traffic. But everytime I order the E-book or program all I see are ideas and concepts and not actual proven step by step techniques on stuff that will work. For example, they tell you to go with your passion. So if you love dogs then start a dog blog, then make bank from it. Thats bullshit. If that were profitable then these so called gurus would be doing it. If people want info on dogs they watch Animal Planet or goto animal planets website.

And then these gurus show us their clickbank accounts or paypal accounts with $1,000 days. A person with a blog about dogs will never have $1,000 days. The only reason those kids have $1,000 days is because they just launched something big like the new mobile marketing programs that people have never seen before. And the truth is, yes that is a very smart thing to do by coming up with a viral product, but the fact is we cant all do that. There are only just a few products that are going to blow up like that.

Anyways, Im not looking to be the next IPOD inventor or anything, I just want to make enough bank online to quit my shit job. I am a super salesman and I am wanting to setup accounts with shareasale or other networks that will allow me to refer traffic to their sites and get paid $$$. But the real question is how the fuck do I do it? Im not gonna make jack shit by slapping up 1,000's of spam links everywhere. Article marketing is 2005. And WTF kind of niche blog can I start that will allow me to refer people to online retailers? Thats what I really want to know.

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Hey guys,
I want to know the truth about why nobody will actually show other people how to make money online? I have bought many E-Books, subscribed to several how to programs, read tons of blogs and websites, and visited many forums on affiliate marketing. The common theme that I am seeing is that the way people used to make money online in 2005 is drastically different from how people really make money in 2010. The other thing that I am seeing is that the ones making all the money are selling E-Books and programs on how to make money or how to get more traffic. But everytime I order the E-book or program all I see are ideas and concepts and not actual proven step by step techniques on stuff that will work. For example, they tell you to go with your passion. So if you love dogs then start a dog blog, then make bank from it. Thats bullshit. If that were profitable then these so called gurus would be doing it. If people want info on dogs they watch Animal Planet or goto animal planets website.

And then these gurus show us their clickbank accounts or paypal accounts with $1,000 days. A person with a blog about dogs will never have $1,000 days. The only reason those kids have $1,000 days is because they just launched something big like the new mobile marketing programs that people have never seen before. And the truth is, yes that is a very smart thing to do by coming up with a viral product, but the fact is we cant all do that. There are only just a few products that are going to blow up like that.

Anyways, Im not looking to be the next IPOD inventor or anything, I just want to make enough bank online to quit my shit job. I am a super salesman and I am wanting to setup accounts with shareasale or other networks that will allow me to refer traffic to their sites and get paid $$$. But the real question is how the fuck do I do it? Im not gonna make jack shit by slapping up 1,000's of spam links everywhere. Article marketing is 2005. And WTF kind of niche blog can I start that will allow me to refer people to online retailers? Thats what I really want to know.

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Dude the info is here on the interwebz... Fuck all ebooks..

You will have to find a nose where to fidn good solid information.,. The you take your small amount off knowledge and apply it.... I just started my first SEO poject and made an open journal and I'm getting help in there when I want...

What are you looking ro now? Doyou wont find is somebody listening to this thread and says , ohhh since you are asking so nice so will I take time out off my life to help you straight off the bat because you offer such value straight back to me and you show me that you really wan to know when you TAKE ACTION to write a thread and complain about it.

If you want help show people that you take action and when you are doing something come with very specific question no hypothetical BS... Take action and you will get help.

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Nobody's gonna tell you EXACTLY what to do because why wouldn't they do it themselves instead of telling you??

I give you an example:

If I find a profitable niche and access it in an innovative way that makes me a lot of $$$, why on earth would I tell you?

People will give you the BASICS, but in the end, to make good $$$, you'll still have to use your own brain and be creative. If you are just looking for something where people tell you exactly what to do, then a job at McDs is probably better
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If you're really reading and paying attention, there is enough information in the "Sticky" threads at the top of each section of this forum to burn up a month or two of your time and provide you with enough of a foundation that you can at least have a serious conversation about marketing without sounding retarded. If you're a self-starter you can probably go ahead and just start with that info and be making some money.

If you've got a realistic goal and already have an income offline -- which you seem to -- then you just need to start experimenting. Don't buy any more ebooks. In fact, here's a short (and probably incomplete) list of all the things on which you either need to stop wasting money or never start:

1) eBooks

2) Almost all software, notable exception being uBot, which is specifically designed to help you save time, which is incredibly important.

3) Premium WordPress themes guaranteed to increase conversions and yaddah fucking blah. Premium Joomla themes ditto. Premium landing page layouts etc.

4) Paid subscriptions to anything that is designed to help you with marketing. If you can't make a few dollars without a $200 a month Compete Pro account, you're fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fuked and did I mention fucked. Stuff like Compete, TeraPeak, SEOBook, DT's paid service and even a pro WickedFire account can help you improve your earnings -- but the watchword there is improve -- zero improved by 40% is still zero.

5) Domain names that seem like a good idea at the time. Never, ever, ever register a whole load of domain names in a single sweep, on the assumption that you'll find one that works and let the others go because you made so much money on the one that worked (or even more funny, on the assumption that you're going to build a "network" and might as well get "all the good names" while they're still available.) Wait until you need a domain, find a semi-decent one that suits you, and register it.

5)a) "Premium" domain names. Never buy a domain name for anything more than reg fee unless you actually know something about domain names, and/or already have plenty of money to piss away on shit you don't need. Again: When you find that you need a domain name, spend half an hour or less finding the least stupid name you can and register it with a $3 GoDaddy coupon.

Do not spend any/any more money or time on any of this stuff.

Do spend time reading the sticky threads at this forum, and the threads that have traction in the marketing sections. Don't spend all your WF time looking at tits or scrolling through BST. Don't even waste time asking questions -- most have been answered over and over and over again. Ask the search box if you have a question. Spend your core WF time reading sticky threads, and threads in the marketing section that have a sensible title and a high number of responses.

Do this for say half an hour a day for a month. Make notes, because like any other forum a thread with 100 responses probably has 40 that are "Awesome post!" and that kind of thing, and you want to filter it down.

Then try something -- try anything. Fail spectactularly. There's a "truth" that the gurus don't tell you. Fail spectacularly. Don't be afraid to lose. In fact, fuck shit up, lose money then come here and laugh about it. Any person on this forum who is making money has also lost money, often in ways that in retrospect seem completely stupid and obvious. Lose, laugh, learn and move on.

^^^^I feel like I'm talking guruspeake here, except as far as I know gurus don't tell people to lose and be happy about it.

The truth you seem to be seeking isn't going to come out of any of the glitter and sales pitches. Many if not most ebooks that contain even an iota of useful information are copied, either from earlier books, offline stuff, or successful forums like this one. Keep your money and make a better investment of your time by getting your info from the source. And aside from that, the only secret anyone is hiding is nothing ventured - nothing gained. You just have to learn, try, fail, try, profit - note and repeat -- then try something new, fail, try, fail, try, profit -- note and repeat -- etc.


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If you're really reading and paying attention, there is enough information in the "Sticky" threads at the top of each section of this forum to burn up a month or two of your time and provide you with enough of a foundation that you can at least have a serious conversation about marketing without sounding retarded. If you're a self-starter you can probably go ahead and just start with that info and be making some money.

If you've got a realistic goal and already have an income offline -- which you seem to -- then you just need to start experimenting. Don't buy any more ebooks. In fact, here's a short (and probably incomplete) list of all the things on which you either need to stop wasting money or never start:

1) eBooks

2) Almost all software, notable exception being uBot, which is specifically designed to help you save time, which is incredibly important.

3) Premium WordPress themes guaranteed to increase conversions and yaddah fucking blah. Premium Joomla themes ditto. Premium landing page layouts etc.

4) Paid subscriptions to anything that is designed to help you with marketing. If you can't make a few dollars without a $200 a month Compete Pro account, you're fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fucked fuked and did I mention fucked. Stuff like Compete, TeraPeak, SEOBook, DT's paid service and even a pro WickedFire account can help you improve your earnings -- but the watchword there is improve -- zero improved by 40% is still zero.

5) Domain names that seem like a good idea at the time. Never, ever, ever register a whole load of domain names in a single sweep, on the assumption that you'll find one that works and let the others go because you made so much money on the one that worked (or even more funny, on the assumption that you're going to build a "network" and might as well get "all the good names" while they're still available.) Wait until you need a domain, find a semi-decent one that suits you, and register it.

5)a) "Premium" domain names. Never buy a domain name for anything more than reg fee unless you actually know something about domain names, and/or already have plenty of money to piss away on shit you don't need. Again: When you find that you need a domain name, spend half an hour or less finding the least stupid name you can and register it with a $3 GoDaddy coupon.

Do not spend any/any more money or time on any of this stuff.

Do spend time reading the sticky threads at this forum, and the threads that have traction in the marketing sections. Don't spend all your WF time looking at tits or scrolling through BST. Don't even waste time asking questions -- most have been answered over and over and over again. Ask the search box if you have a question. Spend your core WF time reading sticky threads, and threads in the marketing section that have a sensible title and a high number of responses.

Do this for say half an hour a day for a month. Make notes, because like any other forum a thread with 100 responses probably has 40 that are "Awesome post!" and that kind of thing, and you want to filter it down.

Then try something -- try anything. Fail spectactularly. There's a "truth" that the gurus don't tell you. Fail spectacularly. Don't be afraid to lose. In fact, fuck shit up, lose money then come here and laugh about it. Any person on this forum who is making money has also lost money, often in ways that in retrospect seem completely stupid and obvious. Lose, laugh, learn and move on.

^^^^I feel like I'm talking guruspeake here, except as far as I know gurus don't tell people to lose and be happy about it.

The truth you seem to be seeking isn't going to come out of any of the glitter and sales pitches. Many if not most ebooks that contain even an iota of useful information are copied, either from earlier books, offline stuff, or successful forums like this one. Keep your money and make a better investment of your time by getting your info from the source. And aside from that, the only secret anyone is hiding is nothing ventured - nothing gained. You just have to learn, try, fail, try, profit - note and repeat -- then try something new, fail, try, fail, try, profit -- note and repeat -- etc.


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You see...I do know how to get the answers that I need You just told me exactly everything that I needed to know bro. I knew that all of the E-Books on clickbank were copied and rehashed shit that I can find for free if I just do enough digging on Google or in these forums. Thanks!

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My only other point to this thread is...that 1 person cannot sell every fking thing online by themselves. Customers like choices. Competition will always be around. That's why we have Amazon and Barnes and Noble and all of the other 100's of places selling the same fking books. 1 person can't sell every fking item that is listed on Clickbank. So that was the real reason on why I don't understand why people won't share the money making secrets? There are plenty of products to go around for everyone. Someone could show me their foolproof money making strategy and I could go use it to sell other shit that they never even thought of before. So it's not like I would be taking any money away from them. It only makes the economy better to have more successful people online. When everybody is fking broke and struggling then the economy is just going to keep struggling. But I will get to work and fuck up 1,000 times just so that I can learn the hard way before I finally discover the secret of life.
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My only other point to this thread is...that 1 person cannot sell every fking thing online by themselves. Customers like choices. Competition will always be around. That's why we have Amazon and Barnes and Noble and all of the other 100's of places selling the same fking books. 1 person can't sell every fking item that is listed on Clickbank. So that was the real reason on why I don't understand why people won't share the money making secrets? There are plenty of products to go around for everyone. Someone could show me their foolproof money making strategy and I could go use it to sell other shit that they never even thought of before. So it's not like I would be taking any money away from them. It only makes the economy better to have more successful people online. When everybody is fking broke and struggling then the economy is just going to keep struggling. But I will get to work and fuck up 1,000 times just so that I can learn the hard way before I finally discover the secret of life.
The problem is that as soon as you post specific info like that the method is dead because it's not just you, it's the 1000 other people that will also try to compete - especially if there is a low barrier to entry (eg. ppc, all you need is a credit card)
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Let me just say from experience: the best methods are the ones you try yourself.

E-mail lists. Hmm... Let's find a niche. Hmm... Let's find a way to promote it. That's not working? Okay, why? Is it working for anyone (cause then I can figure out how to make it work for me.) Why has my site lost it's traffic in the SERPS. Let's Google that. Oh! It's the Google dance. Okay, so in week-month my site will be back. Based on the research, I should still slowly build backlinks. And, in the meantime instead of waiting for it to magically come back tomorrow, I should find another niche with good traffic and pretty low competition and build a new site and work on that.

Great, I have traffic from SEO. Time to optimize my page now. I'll use Google's split testing tool and test headers, completely new versions of the page, buttons, images, everything. Great, now my page get's rediculous people to opt in. But now I should work on and learn how to make money and then maximize making money from my list. Awesome, everything is really well optimized (I'll keep note I should always keep optimizing at least a few times a month or week but it's pretty darn good.)

Because I have amazing conversions, I can afford rediculous clicks cause each lead is WORTH so FRICKING MUCH. Now I have an advantage over my competition. Great! Now maybe I can do some paid stuff (or maybe you would have started with paid, paid takes a little money but everything good in life does). Okay, what's available? There's the search engines. Okay great. Google Adwords. From what I know, they have the quality score. It's a pain in the ass, literally, but can reap significant volume. Basically, you need to build a semi-quality site to get good quality scores which means you pay less to have your ad shown higher and pay less per click. So you have to learn with, test, and deal with Adwords. Or there's the content network. Or there's Yahoo Search and Bing search where there is no quality score that's quite as annoying and you'll have less problems with less competition and way less volume (but who need's reiduclous volume if you're starting, anywho?) Okay, there's also Facebook, and Myspace, and 360, and POF, and I think Twitter now, and Second tier (i think they're called) search engines, and buying banners direct (aka media buying). Or you go to a new niche, make a new SERP site, find a new way to promote (list trade, w/e)... etc.

Okay, offers. There's CPA, underwhcih you have leads and sales, leads obviously easier to convert. Clickbank being much harder since you hve to get a sale. Etc. etc. etc.

MAIN POINT, TRY SHIT. And think about things clearly. Test shit.

Why isn't something working... How can I fix it? Is it working for anybody? How are they doing it? What options do I have? What deadlines am I setting for myself? Etc.
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The problem is that as soon as you post specific info like that the method is dead because it's not just you, it's the 1000 other people that will also try to compete - especially if there is a low barrier to entry (eg. ppc, all you need is a credit card)

Yeah I understand. But I am a decent person and I don't like to cheat or scam people. This is why I am still sitting on my ass studying up on the whole affiliate marketing game instead of taking action. Im starting to see the bigger picture to this whole thing that most of the big money is made through scamming and selling bullshit to the lambs. Especially after the whole Shawn Hogan garbage with e-bay, Im thinking that most of the top dog affiliates are just douche bags and I could never live with myself if that is what I turned into. I am trying to find a legit, honest, legal pathway into this affiliate game where I can make bank and still feel good enough to sleep at night.

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A person with a blog about dogs will never have $1,000 days.
Oh really? If you're giving your visitors what they're looking for, you can easily have $1,000 days in this market. People spend shitloads on their pets - be it physical products or even (DRUMROLL) ebooks.

There are no secrets, just guidelines and tactics. Here's an evergreen model for you:

1) Pick a niche within a market where you know people are spending money and stick to it. Do not bounce around trying to promote everything under the sun.

2) Create something of value for your prospects (e.g. content site/blog that recommends other products, your own information product or even a physical product).

3) Find the most cost effective way to reach your prospects (i.e. traffic generation)

4) Profit

Optional but highly recommended:

5) Capture leads to sell them other products (either your own or as an affiliate)
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Hmm you do realize that you are sounding like whiny little bitch? That is one off the worst start you can get when you are trying to network and get value from others. Man the fuck up and get in the horse and DO SOMETHING TAKE ACTION...

You have gotten ton of real solid advice in this thread..
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Hmm you do realize that you are sounding like whiny little bitch? That is one off the worst start you can get when you are trying to network and get value from others. Man the fuck up and get in the horse and DO SOMETHING TAKE ACTION...

You have gotten ton of real solid advice in this thread..
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The common theme that I am seeing is that the way people used to make money online in 2005 is drastically different from how people really make money in 2010.
Mmm no dude, that hasn't changed a bit. Provide valuable content to people, free information, and you are golden.

But ya quick cash and spammy tactics do change all the time. But don't chase after them, you'll never win in the long run.

Once you get advanced, you can do the combination of the two. Second one mostly for fun, but have a long term strategy at all times.
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OP. You will never find the answer you're looking for. I was in your shoes once and realized quickly that if people lay down a step-by-step guide to baby you into affiliate marketing, you'll always be a tit-suckin whiny baby in affiliate marketing.

It seems you already have some knowledge with Internet marketing. Use it. Take some fuckin action.
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Like the guys above are saying, try stuff and learn from it. Somebody can tell you their master plan strategy step by step and you could still totally fail with it. In my experience, there may be a 15 step method, but when you actually apply it each step has a whole bunch of substeps and subtleties of execution that you can never learn from someone else. Sometimes you do something 20 times and then it just clicks and you start making it work by changing something very very minor. In short, stickies + experience = progress.

I'm making a living at this but I was a massive fuckup for like 2 years. I always made money, but like a few hundred dollars a month and most of my new projects would fail so I would just waste a lot of time. But all those failures taught me something and eventually it clicked and I realized some subtleties that I had been neglecting. Now I'm going back and getting traffic to those old failures and they've making money. Everyone needs to go through that process of failing in order to get good at this.

So just start building sites and blogs and whatever and get over your prejudices about what will work and what won't and try things. And always be building (that's somebody's signature around here). Do that while you read and ask questions and you'll makje progress. But don't quit your day job just yet.
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ask and ye shall receive. He has been extremely helpful to me for no reason so perhaps he IS god.
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Nobody's gonna tell you EXACTLY what to do because why wouldn't they do it themselves instead of telling you??

I give you an example:

If I find a profitable niche and access it in an innovative way that makes me a lot of $$$, why on earth would I tell you?

People will give you the BASICS, but in the end, to make good $$$, you'll still have to use your own brain and be creative. If you are just looking for something where people tell you exactly what to do, then a job at McDs is probably better
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I'll tell you how I made $80 in 10 minutes. I made a porn site, one of those video sites like tube8. I wrote a script to "scrape" porn movies (flash). I put random information about the movies. I signed up with an affiliate. I spammed the SHIT out of a social network site related to "hot chicks" (amazing thing that people that like to look at hot chicks also like porn). Within minutes I had made $80. Somebody wanted to watch live girls. Real blackhat, but hell, it worked. I outed that one, because I no longer own the domain (sold it/didn't mention the name), and also, spamming that site was a bitch.

The moral of the story is, come up with something that people like/want. Find a method for bringing in traffic (perhaps something less blackhat than what I shared). And make monies.

Let's take a look at you. You want(ed) to believe that you can buy a book/program that is going to hold your hand and make you money. So, you spent your own money on an affiliate program that made other people money. You bought the sizzle, but not the steak. Apply your own interests to your marketing.
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Here's my 2 cents worth..

Read this: http://www.wickedfire.com/affiliate-...ing-money.html

Then read this: Making money with the Auction2Post Plugin

Then read this: Newbie Guide | NickyCakes.com

Then do some thinking for yourself, spend some time playing around with a Wordpress site.. and if you still dont get it, find something else to do.
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I don't understand why people won't share the money making secrets?
Mate, I'm as frustrated as you, failed with everything I tried so far. But learned a lot meantime.

There are areas with bigger money than internet marketing - like stock market. Some of the guys earn millions there. Now, try to go to one of them and ask him to share his secrets. Then borrow 10000$ from bank and do whatever he tells you. Soon you gonna be reach. The problem is stock-market-guru will not share his secrets like top guys here. So I don't know why people think online marketing gurus will... I don't know the area where people who "made it" will share their knowledge...

I believe in some time you will be one of this top guys (wish you this) and then you will see yourself if you're ready to give away your secrets. And if answer will be yes I will follow you
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... A person with a blog about dogs will never have $1,000 days. ...
Never say never, dog treatment is expensive sometimes. Also, a person with a blog about dogs may have another 999 blogs about dogs.
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You have some really great advice in these posts. I'm fairly new to this game but I'll tell you how I got started.

I was shopping at amazon one day and stumbled upon their affiliate link, did some goggle searching on how it worked and found that people actually made money off it. I immediately got an adwords account, made an ad and pointed it directly at my amazon delivered harry potter pre-sale page. I was paying like .30 a click. Needless to say I lost a bundle (only like 2 people bought), but I learned an important lesson.

Next I got an affiliate link to one of those extreme t-shirt websites and took out ads on facebook targeting the college crowd, which again failed miserably. It did poorly but I learned some more lessons.

I let a year go by and then decided I'd give it another try. This time I did my research though. I found this site as well as some really good blogs. I lurked around the forums for a good couple months and spent at least 100 hours reading up and then decided to just go for it. I signed up with an agency and picked out an email submit that paid $2 per sign up. This time I actually created a landing page, created several different ads, got tracking software and spent a lot of time tweaking and analyzing. Guess what? I started making 30 - 40 bucks a day. The program ended after about a month but I actually made some money. It took a lot of work but now I can see how someone can actually make money doing this.

I've had a really busy year and haven't started up another campaign but I still research at least a few hours a month. I plan on starting up another one in the next month or so and I know that I will spend a lot of time getting it right. Actually I plan on spending a ridiculous amount of time on it now that I know that I have so much to learn to succeed in this business.

I may be a newb but so far the secret looks like a little risk taking and a lot of hard work.
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well they wont just share it to avoid congestion of the niche or what. It is but for us to find our own way and our own strategies. Thank you to those who are generous enough to share their methods and gives out advices.
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Let's take a look at you. You want(ed) to believe that you can buy a book/program that is going to hold your hand and make you money. So, you spent your own money on an affiliate program that made other people money. You bought the sizzle, but not the steak. Apply your own interests to your marketing.
No sir. I do not want anyone to hold my hand to make any easy money. I am one of the hardest workers you have ever seen. I promise you, once I figure this shit out I will outwork any one of you lazy fucks who could be making 10 times what you are making now. I don't care for the John Chow lazy mentality. Im looking for Shawn Hogan type money but only by doing it legally.

Second of all, when you are curious about a subject and want to know more, you typically buy a book or course to teach you everything that you need to know. Let's take cooking for example. I buy a recipe book, and it will tell me exactly how to cook the perfect enchiladas. But if I just sit there and keep staring at the page will I be able to actually taste the Enchiladas? Nope. So I must DO WORK SON! I will have to actually get off my ass and goto the grocery store and buy the ingredients and then come home and prepare the food. All of that takes time and energy. I am willing to put in the time and energy if someone will just give me a straight answer.

Lastly, I think it's total bullshit that people are selling programs and E-books on affiliate marketing and they have no clue WTF they are talking about or they just copied and pasted or re-worded someone elses content. They claim you can make money off things like dogs or cats or kayaks or whatever, but the truth is that the person who put together that course already tried making money from all those things and they failed. So that person decided to sell a course on making money and thats when they finally started to make money.

Im not looking for any free handouts. I just want the truth. I wasted a lot of money on buying info books on the subject of affiliate marketing and they taught me nothing. That is what I am mad about.
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Read this: http://www.wickedfire.com/affiliate-...ing-money.html

Then read this: Making money with the Auction2Post Plugin

Then read this: Newbie Guide | NickyCakes.com

Then do some thinking for yourself, spend some time playing around with a Wordpress site.. and if you still dont get it, find something else to do.
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No sir. I do not want anyone to hold my hand to make any easy money. I am one of the hardest workers you have ever seen. I promise you, once I figure this shit out I will outwork any one of you lazy fucks...
STFU and quit bitching. The internet owes you nothing. Now get to fucking work.
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Hey OP:

I'm also a stupid newbie in this industry (literally 1 month in), so maybe we're in the same boat. I've been absorbing everything and here are my lessons learned thus far:

1) How many blogs are you reading? STOP FUCKING READING BLOGS AND GET BACK TO WORK

2) There is no "magic formula" for making money online. That $2,000 "blueprint" IM course you're looking at? It's a fucking scam. Don't expect anything to be handed to you on a silver platter.

3) The best way to learn is to try. If you fail the first few times, so what? If you're depressed about losing a couple of hundred bucks you're probably not cut out for this.

4) Stay the fuck off of Warrior Forums and DP

5) Pick something to begin with and stick with it. Are you doing a niche blog for adsense earnings? CPA with PPC or PPV? Don't hop around from one thing to the next.

Yeah, things might have changed since 2005. But you have a brain and a set of eyes, so you can learn. There's no use in whining about entering the game late. Everyone has to start at some point.

What skills have you been developing to help yourself make money? Copywriting? PHP? Photoshop?

I noticed you're looking for examples of affiliate sites. Affiliate sites are EVERYWHERE. Just go to Google, MSN, or Yahoo and click the ads. I can find them with my eyes closed at this point.

I've launched online startups in the past. Some failed, some succeeded. From the successes, I learned that it takes lots of hard work to create anything worthwhile. From the failures, I've learned many valuable lessons and picked up skills along the way.

I know that AM will be no different, and I also know that whining about why people won't give away their money making "secrets" will get you absolutely nowhere
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Man, I'm actually surprised that people gave you this much information. Newbies who ask such questions here are usually sent to another version of WickedFire. You're lucky to have been spared, because that's something that you never forget lol

Aug 15th should be declared the official Help A Newbie Day lol
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But the real question is how the fuck do I do it?

No sir. I do not want anyone to hold my hand to make any easy money.
Sorry that I misunderstood, the way I read your original post was that you wanted to be hand held.
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But I am a decent person and I don't like to cheat or scam people.
It's marketing. It is process (dare I say, science), by which to make money. I'd be willing to bet that cheating and scamming isn't on the to-do list for most marketers. If the market is continually buying something, that something is fulfilling a need. Just because you view something as scammy, doesn't mean everyone else does.

On that note, find a need, fulfill it, strategically pump some time/a few bucks/backlinks into it and you'll be successful. Choose a a single niche with little competition and you are bound to make some cheddar.

Most importantly, figure out a process of your own through trial and error. It sounds like you have the basic knowledge down, so apply what you have learned in the best way possible. Figure out what works and use that method to identify and sell things to the 'needs' of the market. You can find all of the info you need to get started on WF. IE, read the stickies, then read them again...and again.

People will not share their exact methods with you, plain and simple. They've spent their own time and money developing a successful system and if they let the cat out of the bag, it's bound to not work as well. Sure, the basic concepts are all the same (good content, backlinks, etc.), but I guarantee nearly everyone executes the process in a different way.

Hate to break it to you, but it isn't all champagne and yachts for everyone in internet marketing. You have to be a whiz or get lucky to strike it big. I'm not saying that to discourage you, but to let you know that it's hard work, so don't set your bar too high. Almost everyone has lost money in IM before they have made it.

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It's marketing. It is process (dare I say, science), by which to make money. I'd be willing to bet that cheating and scamming isn't on the to-do list for most marketers. If the market is continually buying something, that something is fulfilling a need. Just because you view something as scammy, doesn't mean everyone else does.

On that note, find a need, fulfill it, strategically pump some time/a few bucks/backlinks into it and you'll be successful. Choose a a single niche with little competition and you are bound to make some cheddar.

Most importantly, figure out a process of your own through trial and error. It sounds like you have the basic knowledge down, so apply what you have learned in the best way possible. Figure out what works and use that method to identify and sell things to the 'needs' of the market. You can find all of the info you need to get started on WF. IE, read the stickies, then read them again...and again.

People will not share their exact methods with you, plain and simple. They've spent their own time and money developing a successful system and if they let the cat out of the bag, it's bound to not work as well. Sure, the basic concepts are all the same (good content, backlinks, etc.), but I guarantee nearly everyone executes the process in a different way.

Hate to break it to you, but it isn't all champagne and yachts for everyone in internet marketing. You have to be a whiz or get lucky to strike it big. I'm not saying that to discourage you, but to let you know that it's hard work, so don't set your bar too high. Almost everyone has lost money in IM before they have made it.

Just my $.02
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OP, you want the truth? You think you are entitled to answers?

Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4...eature=related
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Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4...eature=related
Get real.
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Hey, I think your hat is on sideways. Do you pull one leg up on your sweat pants? Or is that out of style?
It's out of style.

Pants on the ground, PANTS ON THE GROUND!
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2. Grab a domain related to the niche and work on ranking for your keywords

3. Profit from organic traffic and then head on over to paid traffic and profit even more


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im not trying to be rude, but OP:

1. There are like an infinite amount of ways to making money online. You could be an affiliate, an advertiser, an ad network, a broker, etc.. all those levels have infinite levels of ways to make money online. sounds like to me your stuck on a few ideas and thats all, which is keeping you from seeing all the ways to make money online.

2. No one is gonna tell you how to make money online in 2010 for real. For one, all the guys that did share all that shit in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, etc have finally learned that noobs can and will destroy good things making money. Secondly, why create competition for ourselves?

3. All things making money online goes thru cycles.. one year/month/week/day its doing tits, then the next year/month/week/day its dead.. whatever advice we give you today wont be true next year/month/week/day
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OMG! Seriously?? Is my hat on sideways?? *runs towards the mirror*
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I'm not 100% sure but I think he meant get the fuck out.

Get The Fuck Out = GTFO

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The amount of whining the OP did in this thread has got me so riled up I don't even know what to say right now.

Why should we show you step-by-step techniques we use to make money? This is our livelihood and how we support ourselves and our families. Why would we want to give you anything when we've all learned what we know from experience?
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The amount of whining the OP did in this thread has got me so riled up I don't even know what to say right now.

Why should we show you step-by-step techniques we use to make money? This is our livelihood and how we support ourselves and our families. Why would we want to give you anything when we've all learned what we know from experience?
Riled up are ya? You want to meet outside and get ya jaw busted? Lol. Kidding.

I guess that all of you missed the point, even though it was right there laid out in plain english. I said time after time, that I PAID for freaking courses that still did not teach jack shit. Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth? When someone pays for something, the seller then has a legal responsibility to give them exactly what they bought. Not some half ass how to guide. Is that clear?

Second of all, you guys are all frauds and so is this forum. You keep saying that you all have 'secrets' that you are not willing to share with anyone. These 'secrets' are the so called ways of actually making money from affiliate marketing. So...with that knowledge in hand, it is pretty obvious to determine that the information and advice posted in these forums on how to do something is really just a bunch of lies.
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Second of all, you guys are all frauds and so is this forum. You keep saying that you all have 'secrets' that you are not willing to share with anyone. These 'secrets' are the so called ways of actually making money from affiliate marketing. So...with that knowledge in hand, it is pretty obvious to determine that the information and advice posted in these forums on how to do something is really just a bunch of lies.
If you already had this conclusion then why the fuck did you even bother starting this thread in the first place? Retard. Go back to Digital Point.

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