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bb_wolfe · 07-14-2008, 06:14 PM

For the record, SD is going to vote and likely pass a restrictive abortion law in a few months. We tried a similar law 2 years ago and narrowly missed it due to no exceptions for rape/incest.

We fixed that and listened.

Roe V. Wade is living on borrowed time, and I for one am extremely happy to contribute to it's demise.

turbolapp · 07-14-2008, 06:24 PM

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I'm really surprised you'd say that. I'll admit my image of you is a little depreciated, given your current status...

By your logic, me stabbing/killing a pregnant woman and killing the baby is simply one count of murder. Unfortunately, the law in all 50 states considers my actions 2 counts.

I think once you take the responsibility to even risk a pregnancy, you're obligated to continue it until full term, unless it endangers the healthy of you, or the baby is the result of rape or incest.

I've said this before so sorry if it's a repeat for some of you.

I was pro choice before I had my first child. After having a child and having another one on the way, I am ADAMANT about the importance of keeping the choice available. Being pregnant and having a baby is FUCKING HARD. It's hard on a healthy body and can be deadly for an unhealthy one. It's hard on the mind. Even if you manage to get through the pregancy with flying colors, I love the people that come in and say, you could just give it up. You try carrying a baby to term, delivering it and then just giving it up. Fight about 1 million years of evolution and that powerful bonding hormone called oxcitocin. Then, just the first year of sleep lacking, screaming in your ear...it can really drive a normal person insane. Of course 17 more years of upbringing which even if your a good parent you can do one wrong thing and wonder if this is what your child is going to be in therapy for the rest of their life for.

I decided both times I was up for the challenge. I'm strong enough, smart enough, loving enough and I have a great support system. But it doesn't surprise me a bit that some women would not be up to the challenge. Therefore, it's vital that they get to decide for themselves and that should never be taken away.

LotsOfZeros · 07-14-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by turbolapp

So I guess you don't masterbate (assuming you're a guy here) ...I mean you are commiting murder everytime you shoot those millions of little lively cells all over the place and they don't reach their "goal"

You're murdering kittens you bastards!

losser · 07-14-2008, 06:33 PM

turbolapp - that is the all time dumbest thing I have ever read! STOP LETTING PEOPLE AVOID PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!
If you take the risk of having sex, you have the responsibility to the living growing developing fetus/human to give it a shot at life. THERE IS NO OTHER ARGUMENT, FUCK HOW HARD IT IS ETC. you lost that argument when you got knocked up.
Your notions are selfish and irresponsible(sp?)
We are talking about abortion for abortions sake not extenuating circumstances.

bb_wolfe · 07-14-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by turbolapp

I've said this before so sorry if it's a repeat for some of you.

I was pro choice before I had my first child. After having a child and having another one on the way, I am ADAMANT about the importance of keeping the choice available. Being pregnant and having a baby is FUCKING HARD. It's hard on a healthy body and can be deadly for an unhealthy one. It's hard on the mind. Even if you manage to get through the pregancy with flying colors, I love the people that come in and say, you could just give it up. You try carrying a baby to term, delivering it and then just giving it up. Fight about 1 million years of evolution and that powerful bonding hormone called oxcitocin. Then, just the first year of sleep lacking, screaming in your ear...it can really drive a normal person insane. Of course 17 more years of upbringing which even if your a good parent you can do one wrong thing and wonder if this is what your child is going to be in therapy for the rest of their life for.

I decided both times I was up for the challenge. I'm strong enough, smart enough, loving enough and I have a great support system. But it doesn't surprise me a bit that some women would not be up to the challenge. Therefore, it's vital that they get to decide for themselves and that should never be taken away.

I respect your position and I'm extremely happy you're up for the challenge.

If a 15 year old girl can birth, raise (with help) a child, and make something of her life, 99% of all women can.

Birth is tough, but you're built for it and 6 billion people are alive so it can't be that deadly. The VAST majority of abortions are birth control, not medically necessary.

But I do admire you for being pro-choice and still having kids.

erect · 07-14-2008, 06:43 PM

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You're murdering kittens you bastards!

Love it ... fuck the kittens

If spermies that don't meet an egg is killing that means that marijuana is a smoking gun because it kills sperm cells. We all know that pot can do no evil so that argument is up in smoke.

I'll keep

and

and ......

Gumby! · 07-14-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LotsOfZeros

You're murdering kittens you bastards!

Damn, I always thought it was ...

Ibanez · 07-14-2008, 08:24 PM

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Actually, decades of Psychological research (the amount of effort that went into this question is unbelievable) show that intelligence is determined 50/50 between nature (genes) and nurture (how a kid is raised, environment, etc).

So yes, a high IQ couple can have a stupid kid, but genes less likely to affect it too much, because high IQ couples tend to have the means (money, job, social network) to provide a very good environment for the kid.

Stupid parents (to use the layman's term) might give birth to a genetically towards high IQ predisposed kid, but often lack the means to educate it.

::emp::

Eh, you can find research that speculates that the inheritability of IQ is anywhere from 30% to 70%. The percentage is not as concrete as you make it out to be.

Everyone is stuck on the stupid comment. That wasn't the point, you missed the second sentence. Couples are most likely to have a 100ish IQ child than anything else.

Plus you then get into all kinds of arguments like the validity of different kinds of IQ, tabula rasa stuff, races, etc. Way too much garbage that could be spent on better things.

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Sure it does but there are always exceptions to the rule. You are infinitely less likely to have 2 x 130 IQ = retarded than 2 x 65 IQ = retarded ... but I'm not arguing to much on that as this is kind of a no-brainer ... unless your IQ is close to room temperature then your arguement might sound logical.

If there are exceptions to the rule, then it isn't a rule to begin with. Plus see above.

turbolapp · 07-14-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by losser

turbolapp - that is the all time dumbest thing I have ever read! STOP LETTING PEOPLE AVOID PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!
If you take the risk of having sex, you have the responsibility to the living growing developing fetus/human to give it a shot at life. THERE IS NO OTHER ARGUMENT, FUCK HOW HARD IT IS ETC. you lost that argument when you got knocked up.
Your notions are selfish and irresponsible(sp?)
We are talking about abortion for abortions sake not extenuating circumstances.

Sorry, no vagina, no say.

Perhaps they have a whining men's club you could join and sit around naked and bang drums or something?

LotsOfZeros · 07-14-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gumby!

Damn, I always thought it was ...

Not true, there wouldn't be many retards left. Damn, that tennis elbow.

Gumby! · 07-14-2008, 08:40 PM

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Not true, there wouldn't be many retards left. Damn, that tennis elbow.

That's good to know because I don't have anything against retards, but I hate kittens. Looks like I've got some work to do.

-Matt- · 07-14-2008, 08:59 PM

I would laugh is losser knocked up his girlfriend and she got an abortion behind his back.

tweak50 · 07-14-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by losser

If the fetus is considered alive at 18 weeks or whenever it is what has changed? How can the law say that something that is developing into a human is not yet a human? the dumbest thing I have ever heard!

18 weeks is when a fetus can start to sustain itself. It can produce its own blood instead of using its mothers, respiratory system is developed etc.

elime · 07-15-2008, 12:15 AM

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I would laugh is losser knocked up his girlfriend and she got an abortion behind his back.

Ahahaha, made me laugh, +rep.

Only one flaw, people like losser generally aren't the type that get laid very often.

-Matt- · 07-15-2008, 12:57 AM

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Ahahaha, made me laugh, +rep.

Only one flaw, people like losser generally aren't the type that get laid very often.

At least not by girls...

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losser Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 62	turbolapp - that is the all time dumbest thing I have ever read! STOP LETTING PEOPLE AVOID PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! If you take the risk of having sex, you have the responsibility to the living growing developing fetus/human to give it a shot at life. THERE IS NO OTHER ARGUMENT, FUCK HOW HARD IT IS ETC. you lost that argument when you got knocked up. Your notions are selfish and irresponsible(sp?) We are talking about abortion for abortions sake not extenuating circumstances.