zingo

In this thread, you'll see example after example of what happens when people try to game the WF SBT section.

The purpose of all these bans is not simply so I can be an ass, rather it's important for our community to showcase respected sellers on page 1 of all the SBT sub-forums so members can find the services they need quickly and painlessly. This is impossible to do when newcomers bump their sales thread over and over ... so I impale the offenders and leave their rotting carcasses at the gates of the city as a warning to any noobs.

To clarify, we love new services but we hate idiots. Use common sense when selling your products & services and you'll be fine.

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Original OP:

The buy, sale, trade section of this forum has been flooded with a bunch of kiddy cocksuckers from DP and WaFo ... they shut these clowns down on those shitty forums and now WF is there haven (not any more!).

There are some good services in the B.S.T but good luck weeding through them, glad I picked out the goodies before this shit started or I would have never found them. They just love bumping there own threads over and over if no one wants there bullshit.

The post count needs to be raised or something before they can even post there, or banns need to happen for not following the rules.

The fury of god needs to be unleashed on them basically

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CLKeenan

Not even kidding, I had a dream 2 nights ago about how I got promoted to mod status and given a ban hammer and I went to town on all the one-post-wonders asking for free reviews and the DP clowns posting their 'services'

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moratraffic

Yeah it is quite annoying, but I think most of us here know by now that reputation actually means something and we also look into something before jumping into hiring someone. Still, it is a pain in the ass to see them flooding the section and hurting legit service providers.

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zingo

You and me both.. I would love beat the shit out of them with a bann hammer..

Pain in the ass yes.. I dont spend as much time there anymore as I end up getting too pissed off.... lol

It seems like there is a small team of them (maybe in the same office in india) that bump each others treads and say "great job" to each other.. Makes me want to kick my poor dog. I am having DP flashbacks and may need to see a shrink soon.

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jschmidli

I concur. The BST should be for NON noobs only. Maybe have a requirement to start a thread in that section.

ly2 from WF

I agree, a bunch of fucking "free review" beggars. I have considered making this thread at least 5 different times.

You should have a handful of people like bofu and maybe guerrilla or something be the official reviewers. In exchange for their review services they get a fuck ton of free shit and we get less idiots trolling for free reviews.

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erect

Link me, I've got a hammer that's beggin' for some blood

The problem is this ... SBT is waaaay too big for a moderator to troll. I rely on feed back from you guys. I can promise that every PM I've gotten has been followed up on .. but the injuns are way out numbering the cowboys on that part of the board.

Now we've got a thread ... put your direct links to their posts below and I'll start cleaning house right meow.

People I'd love to see banned:

1. <100 posts demanding review copies
2. fraudulent bumping
3. fraudulent itraders
4. copy/paste sales pitches that call us warriors
5. sales threads with > 3 bad reviews
6. anything with rainbow font

ly2 from WF

How about the little report button, you don't have access to those?

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Jonyk

Always wondered who is dealing with reported posts...

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Magic Hat

The problem is the same people get free reviews over and over, and usually are compelled to write shitty, 2-3 sentence reviews akin to "this service is awesome, thanks!" The same people also constantly get reviews and have so many on their plate that it takes them a while to post, if they ever do at all.

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jr_sci

I will be the first to do the needful. My business got down since these DP fuckers have started bumping their threads. Within 10 mins my Sales Thread would be in the 2nd page. What the Fuck? I love to see a real business platform in WF, not a moron bunch of DP cheap/newbie sellers who call themselves "SEO professionals" when they don't really know what SEO stands for..!!

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ly2 from WF

That's why there should be an official team of reviewers. People who will leave honest reviews and couldn't give a fuckk less about the providers feelings or income.

I personally like bofo's reviews. They always seem to be pretty in depth and honest. Same with guerrilla, grindstone, and a few others. Though I think guerrilla may be a little too polite on them sometimes.

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erect

I take days away from WF sometimes (last week for example) ... having everything in a thread that's going to show up in my cpanel is so much easier IMO. I don't go through and read all the reports because other mods have usually taken care of most of them. SBT will always be my babby ... it's nice having a place to buy useful shit.


This is the goal. A market place looses it's value when it becomes oversaturated with useless shit. WF is close to a free market & I am government regulation ... hire a lobbyist and buy my vote!

Link me, I'd jump at the chance to ban guerilla for a week ... enough pussyfooting around with reviews!

iKid obviously, but no review should be sugar coated just because it's free.

projectv3

itd be cool to have a BST section for members with posts > xxx and then sellers who are looking to post can be vouched in if they don't meet the requirements etc.

zingo

erect..

I spend a lot of time in that area, would be glad to help anyway possible...

We need:

1. Post Count to be increased or rule about no BST posting with below certain number.

2. Solid reviews for any new service before they can peddle there ware.

3. Possibly have a link to report the offenders or send p.m to you?

4. All basic rules to be followed or instant ban no questions asked.

5. IQ's above room temp or no post at all

6. Ban guerilla for a week just for the fuck of it (and free DFB for 2 months for all with over 600 posts)

matt3

1. submit rainbow thread
2. nudge buddy in diagonal cubicle to claim free review
3. "sorry guys, all free reviews gone quick time"
4. ZOMG, best service in world!
5. profit

It's the same shit all the time. I like some people's reviews, but the people who are most credible are way to slow as they have better things to do.... I don't wanna wait a week to order, and there's many threads where "respected reviewers" just never comment.

There is another option... instead of bothering with the cess pool, pull qualified providers out and make a legendary service thread.

Hellrot

A review outline would be nice, specific points the reviewer needs to cover.

Andrew Scherer

Less talk and more blood

This isn't congress, it's a fucking execution

I'll go first:

10 bumps in a row: SEO and Link Building Services[Reviews Inside]

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if ($lessThan100Posts=='TRUE' && $startsThread=='TRUE' && $usesColorsInPost=='True'){
instaBan($userID);
}else {
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JakeStratham

Here's an idea:

1. Put a sticky thread in the Sell, Buy & Trade forum.

2. Lock down who can post in it. (The reason will be clear in a moment.)

3. When someone does something repeatedly that is "not okay" (like seomachine bumping his thread), name names, state reasons, and temp ban them. Make it public in the sticky thread.

If someone like plusmin asks for every free review imaginable to bump his itrader, put him on notice and temp ban him. Second infraction gets a permanent ban.

The mod can make the decision based on incident rate, number of reports, etc.

The thread should be locked down so competing vendors can't rake each other over the coals. That adds unnecessary noise to the signal.

These people are like viruses. Unless they're nipped in the bud, they will spread and infect the community. It has already begun to happen. Agent Smith has it right at 1:06.

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erect

1 month ban ... I hate bumpers

blogspotter

I Second the motion

CLKeenan

Love it. More please.

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zingo

hell yeah.. love hanging guts in that bann.. let's get the party started will be posting some links myself soon.

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guerilla

I try to be polite if they follow through on what they are selling. Also, I am a vendor, have been for over a year, and I try not to shit where I eat.

I suggest people look for products and services with MULTIPLE reviews from people who know what they are talking about. I suggest everyone does their diligence first. Review copies are only capable of communicating so much.

In all exchanges, caveat emptor.

And... I have been turning reviews down left and right. If you're interested in doing reviews, PM me and I will try to push them to you. But if you don't complete them, or you think this is about free stuff, you will get everyone breathing down your neck, so do it because you want to help the community not because you think it will help your marketing efforts because there is very little profit in writing reviews for $20 and $40 services each day.

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How about, anyone who posts a "free review" request more than 10 times in one week, gets auto-banned?

Should cut down on the serial freebie seekers.

070707

It you make a 100 post requirement to post a thread in BST, you are clearing out 90% of the bullshit.

If someone tries to spam to 100 posts... you will see it instantly.

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Grindstone

Brilliance, let's do this.

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Grindstone

Some "established" members are gonna need to change their ways if this goes thru. I might be talking to myself here.

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^^

This

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zingo

Grind they should be asking you for reviews yours are the most detailed I have seen and you lay it all out.

nordie

Hey Grindstone,

I get a lot of value out of your reviews and input. Not talking about you at all.

There are some serial freebie-seekers here who get their post-count and iTrader shockingly high simply by demanding review copies. Simple mod review of a person's posting history and iTraders should reveal a smoking gun.

How about anyone with under 1000 posts, who requests 10 or more reviews per week?

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nvanprooyen

Or he could stop being a total review whore. Just sayin.

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erect

7 day ban ... Take heed sellers, the # of bumps you're giving is directly related to how long you are banned

The OP didn't bump it



2 week ban ... stop talking to yourself there, you sound stupid.



5 day ban .. took it easy on him because 1xx posts



2 week ban for pushing affiliate links on affiliates ... like we wouldn't notice



80% of the posts on taht thread was him ... have some self respect. 2 week ban



I <3 amanda11 .. no ban

Thread closed with warning

hellblazer

Do this and then adjust for any new problems that arise. Like 07 said, it will clear up a lot of the problems.

pacman0r

Easiest way to clean up BST is enforce post limitations and for legitimate services, charge them a flat rate fee just to create a thread.

Then have them go through a review/screening process to make sure the work is upto par, if they pass all those loops then they deserve to sell their services here.

Otherwise GTFO and go back to WAFO and DP

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pocketrockets

Agreed.

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ly2 from WF

I agree, you'd be surprised how many idiots a simple $1 fee will weed out.

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Falian

While I agree with the first part of this sentence, I definitely disagree with the second.

I got my start into SEO by selling SEO services. As a broke college student, the low barrier to entry (no fee for thread creation) allowed me to jump right into the market and start selling.

Furthermore, adding fees would create a lot of hassle for the mods as they would have to deal with fee collection and unlocking threads.

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They can make an app for that ';'

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LotsOfZeros

Why don't we have 2 levels of BST? The existing level can be level 1 and then we create level 2 which is private until you have 100 posts + 20 iTraders*.

At least then anyone who was able to claw their way through the noise of level 1 to get a 20 iTrader rating despite being lost in a sea of crap MUST be a quality provider hence being allowed access to exclusivity.

*Thread starters, not responders.

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DanWesson

Good idea. Free Market Elite.

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JakeStratham

This idea won't be popular:

Don't place qualifiers on vendors. Or at least really think about it before you do. I'm talking about stuff like post count, $1 fee, mandatory review copies, etc. I agree that it would weed out a lot of crap. But it seems draconian.

It's better to have the community report BS (from vendors and *cough* "buyers" *cough*), and respond with temp bans and public displays of the reasons. Kinda like erect just did. Nothing over the top. No drama. Just a temp ban with a "Here's what you did, dum-dum. Cry all you want. There's no appeal. Come back when the ban lifts. Pull this bullshit again, and you're done here. New people? Learn."

Long-term, it'll have a more positive effect on the board than qualifiers. It's not that qualifiers won't work. But think hard before going down that road.

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guerilla

Jake, are you saying that central planning the marketplace could lead to unintended consequences?


/softball

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I think the idea of a 2nd tier BST section sounds pretty good, though I am sure it would be hard to setup. In influx of new crappy services in recent months has been crazy I can hardly find anything in BST anymore.

Of course this could also be solved by just forcing a post count before using the current BST section which I bet is far easier to do. Just make sure its not dependent on itraders. After I find a service I do the rest of my business with them via PM or something else. I have way more transactions than itraders its just not something you think about.

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