Ar Scion

Here's the deal though- you gotta differentiate between Islamic extremism and moderate Islam.

Just like theres regular atheists and there's shittarded militant atheists who don't care about being reasonable and logical.

Lumping everybody together makes everybody uncomfortable, and moderate Muslims who are bullied will only turn to extremism because mainstream America has rejected them.

WickedJoe

This is actually my point. I believe you're wrong. Extremism, violence, and militant behavior is actually built right into the koran. It's a huge part of their religion. This is why it should not be respected.

We just talked about this in another thread but you should check this documentary out at nexflix streaming or a torrent.

Islam: What the West Needs to Know (2006)

Nothing said in there is false, and the quotes from Islamic texts can be found anywhere. Watch that and then talk to me.

medicalhumor

HOLY CRAP - Can you believe these radical muslims building on hallowed ground?????

Here's the latest. Fucking unbelievable!

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Fatbat

WTF are you talking about? What threats? What natural disasters? You're talking complete nonsense.

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subigo

The Bible has more calls to violence in it than the Koran does. It goes both ways.

To someone like me they are no different.

nanexo

Fair Question - Since the answer is long I will quote a source - Off course I do not support pedophiles - you are simply misinformed


A. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married Aisha (r.a.) because he was a paedophile?

Definition of a Paedophile:

"Pedophile: also spelled PAEDOPHILIA, psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical paedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult." Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1998.

"pe.do.phil.ia n [NL] (1906): sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object -- pe.do.phil.i.ac or pe.do.phil.ic adj." Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.

The diagnostic criteria for paedophilia according to American Psychiatric Association:

Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent intense sexual urges and sexual arousing fantasies involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children. The person has acted on these urges, or is markedly distressed by them. The person is at least 16 years old and at least 5 years older than the child or children in A.

DSM-III-R Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, rev ed. 3, (American Psychiatric Association).

"In addition to their paedophilia, a significant number of paedophiles are concomitantly or have previously been involved in exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape". (Voyeurism is the recurrent preoccupation with fantasised or acts that involve seeking out or observing people who are naked, or are engaged in grooming or in sexual activity).

Harold I. Kaplan et al., Synopsis of Psychiatry, 5th ed. (Williams and Wilkens, 1988), p. 360.
Does the prophet fit the above criteria of a paedophile?

With the above criteria of a paedophile in mind, lets analyse the lifestyle of the prophet and his marriages.

His marriages:
Source: Syed Abu Zafar Zain, The Prophet of Islam, the Ideal Husband (Lahore: Kazi Publications), pp. 10-12.
Statistics from the above table:

Percentage of his wives who were 17 years and older = 91 %

Percentage of his wives who were widows = 75%

Comments: The statistics show that the prophet's marriage to Aisha at her young age was an exception and not a norm of his other marriages. Furthermore "a paedophile's main mode of sexual satisfaction is with prepubescent girls", which is contradictory to the 91% of prophet's marriage to women 17 years and over. An unbiased examination of Prophet's life and his marriages to his wives blatantly rejects the notion of his lifestyle fitting that of a paedophile. All his brides were aged widows (except Aisha and Marya).

Moreover, according to the criteria in the references cited above in Synopsis of Psychiatry, a vast majority of paedophiles possess a history of exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape. Again, there is no single reference from either religious or secular sources that the noble Prophet ever indulged in such sadistic behaviour (God forbid). This truth is observed and accepted by both Muslims and unbiased non-Muslims scholars.

"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher."

Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad (Madras, 1932), p. 4.

Fatbat

Exactly.

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nanexo

B. Others claim that the noble Prophet (peace be upon him) indulged in child-abuse when he married Aisha at her young age

Let scrutinise this allegation...
Definition of Child Abuse:

Child Abuse, also called CRUELTY TO CHILDREN, the wilful and unjustifiable infliction of pain and suffering on children. The term can denote the use of inordinate physical violence; unjustifiable verbal abuse; the failure to furnish proper shelter, nourishment, medical treatment, or emotional support; incest; other cases of sexual molestation or rape; and the making of child pornography. Frequently described by the medical profession as the "battered-child syndrome," abusive treatment of children is almost universally proscribed by criminal statutes. Child abuse can have serious future consequences for the victims involved. Delays in physical growth, impaired language and cognitive abilities, and problems in personality development, learning, and behaviour are common following instances of child abuse or neglect. Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1998




Comments: None of the criteria of child-abuse applies to the noble life of the Prophet (pbuh). There is no single incident of any infliction of pain and suffering by the prophet on Aisha or any other human being for that matter. Neither any instance of verbal or sexual abuse can be concluded from the relationship of the prophet with Aisha (r.a.) or any of his wives.

An abused child can have serious future consequences...delayed physical growth, impaired language..learning and behaviour...etc (above definition). As one examines the chaste life of Aisha (r.a.), her personality, physical, mental and spiritual development are all contrary to that of an abused child. In fact through the Prophet's marriage and his guidance to Aisha, history testifies that she should be labelled not as an abused child but as a 'blessed child'.

After analysing and refuting the accusations against the noble character of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the only viable alternative left with us is:




C. The Prophet married Aisha for the benefit of Islam and Humanity

Lets analyse...


1. The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons:

a. To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest companion).
b. To educate and train Aisha for the purposes of Islam.
c. To utilise her capabilities for the sake of Islam.

2. Her Marriage with the prophet was a Wahy (Divine Revelation). She, herself relates from the Prophet. "He said, 'I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that..." Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p. 285.

3. Aisha (r.a.) was born after her parents had embraced Islam. Therefore, she was free from the defilement of polytheism right from her birth.

4. In her youth, already known for her striking beauty and her formidable memory, she came under the loving care and attention of the Prophet himself. As his wife and close companion she acquired from him knowledge and insight such as no woman has ever acquired.

Aisha lived on almost fifty years after the passing away of the Prophet. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the two most important sources of God's guidance, the Qur'an and the Sunnah of His Prophet. Aisha (r.a.) was one of the three wives (the other two being Hafsa (r.a.) and Umm Salama (r.a.) who memorised the Revelation. Like Hafsa (r.a.), she had her own script of the Qur'an written after the Prophet had died.

So far as the Hadith or sayings of the Prophet is concerned, Aisha (r.a.) is one of four persons (the others being Abu Hurayra, Abdullah ibn Umar, and Anas ibn Malik) who transmitted more than two thousand sayings. From her, 2210 Hadith have come, out of which 174 Hadith are commonly agreed upon by both Bukhari and Muslim.

Many of her transmissions pertain to some of the most intimate aspects of personal behaviour which only someone in Aisha's position could have learnt. What is most important is that her knowledge of Hadith was passed on in written form by at least three persons including her nephew Urwah who became one of the greatest scholars among the generation after the Companions.

It is the claim of the Scholars of Islam that without her, half of the Ilm-I-Hadith [knowledge, understanding of the Hadith (and Islam)] would have perished.

5. Many of the learned companions of the Prophet and their followers benefited from Aishah's knowledge. Abu Musa al-Ash'ari once said:

"If we companions of the Messenger of God had any difficulty on a matter, we asked Aisha about it."

"Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari came to Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said to her, "The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to bring before you has distressed me." She said, "What is that? You did not ask your mother about it, so ask me." He said, "A man penetrates his wife, but becomes listless and does not ejaculate. "She said, "When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part ghusl is obligatory." Abu Musa added, "I shall never ask anyone about this after you."

Al-Muwatta of Imam Malik, Hadith 2.75.

Arwa Bin Zubair says,

"I did not find anyone more proficient [than Aisha (r.a.)] in the knowledge of the Holy Qur'an, the Commandments of Halal (lawful) and Haram (prohibited), Ilmul-Ansab and Arabic poetry. That is why, even senior companions of the Prophet used to consult Aisha (r.a.) in resolving intricate issued".

Ibn Qayyim and Ibn Sa'ad, Jala-ul-Afham, vol. 2, p. 26.

Abu Musa al-Ash'ari says:

"Never had we (the companions) had any difficulty for the solution of which we approached Aisha and did not get some useful information from her".

Sirat-I-Aisha, on the authority of Trimidhi, p. 163.

6. As a teacher she had a clear and persuasive manner of speech and her power of oratory has been described in superlative terms by al-Ahnaf who said: "I have heard speeches of Abu Bakr and Umar, Uthman and Ali and the Khulafa up to this day, but I have not heard speech more persuasive and more beautiful from the mouth of any person than from the mouth of Aisha."

The Prophet said,

"The superiority of 'Aisha to other ladies is like the superiority of Tharid (i.e. meat and bread dish) to other meals. Many men reached the level of perfection, but no woman reached such a level except Mary, the daughter of Imran and Asia, the wife of Pharaoh."

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, Narrated by Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari Hadith 4.643.

Musa Ibn Talha (r.a.) says,

"I did not see anyone more eloquent than Aisha (r.a.)"

Mustadrak of Hakim, vol.4, p.11.

7. Men and women came from far and wide to benefit from her knowledge.

Aisha's great interest in the study of the Qur'an is understandable. She was an eye-witness to a number of revelations and had therefore a clear idea of the circumstances in which they were revealed. It was on her bed alone (and no other consort's) that the Prophet received Wahy (Divine Revelations) several times. This helped her in interpreting the verses.

8. At the time of the Prophet's death, the Prophet's head was on her lap. It was in her quarters that the Prophet was buried.


The life of Aisha (R) is a proof that a woman can be far more learned than men and that she can be the teacher of scholars and experts. Her life is also a proof that a woman can exert influence over men and women and provide them with inspiration and leadership. Aisha (R) is a continuing inspiration and role model to today's youth who are diligently searching for an example amongst the pop stars, movie actresses and sports stars. May the memory of her's live forever in the heart of the Muslim Ummah and may Allah grant her the highest abode in Paradise...Ameen.

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WickedJoe

The bible is a book written by many different authors. The koran has one author and everything in it is taken seriously by Muslims.

And as far as Christianity is concerned Jesus never once made a call for violence. Not that I believe in Jesus, just saying, his words were peaceful poetry, nothing else. Even an Atheist like me can respect the words of Jesus.

I realize Christians themselves have possibly shed just as much blood as Muslims in the name of religion. But my point is that all of those Christians were terrible Christians.. they weren't following a single teaching of Jesus while shedding blood. It was mostly kings using religion as a pretext for war.

Muslims on the other hand were following exactly what their holy book suggests - spread religion by the sword.

conv3rsion

If you are going to quote current day definitions to make your case it is important then to point out that rape is sex without consent, as children do not have the ability to give consent (or to even understand sex which is necessary for consent), all sex with children is rape and therefore child abuse.

As the author does not argue that Mohammed did not have sex with Aisha (unless this is implied elsewhere, I do not have the details or knowledge), he is by using this definition of child abuse (as to include rape) and the understood definition of rape (as to be sex without consent), inadvertently demonstrating that child abuse did take place.

If he wants to argue that child abuse did not take place, he should argue that there were no sexual relations between Mohammed and Aisha because sex with a child is always child abuse.

With regards to the claim of paedophilia, it is analogous to asking if someone is gay for having a gay relationship. Technically they are not (by the similarly accepted definition of gay, which is to prefer a same sex relationship to that of an opposite sex one) BUT the act would still be a "homosexual act" even if the person wasn't technically gay.

Here's a question then, is it still permissible in the Islamic world to marry someone as young as 9 years old? If not then why is this so, given that Mohammed did?

I'm being respectful of you and asking thought out questions, and I would hope you would do the same in your responses.

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nanexo

Did you even Read the Quran? I have no words to describe the depth of your ignorance

I believe the bible has been changed many times according to what times and different rulers needed to increase their power and effect of authority one of the reasons why the revalation of the Quran came and why it had only 1 author and was never changed henceforward..anyway

That said .. violence is no stranger to the bible ( whoever the author was it is on nearly all verses ) https://docs.google.com/document/edi...thkey=CKCR78oJ

Disclaimer I do not believe these represent the true first intentions and writings of the bible as it has been changed to many times to tell what was originally said but I show it here merely as reference

Boss

Unarmed Gunman

^^^This. Your explanation sounds like you're justifying sex with a 9 year-old. Mohammad was a treejumper - that's fucked up bro.

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nanexo

Off course the author assumes he did NOT he mentions he ( Mohammed ) never did any of the above when he summarized the list

And you assume based on the lack of direct writing of such that it is the opposite? based on? what? an odd/even number of cookies stuffed in your lp's?

it is like saying the absence of saying "there is a God" when we talk about God that there is definetely none? or the scientist not talking but not directly implying in string theory the existence of gravity particles/waves that in fact they can never be found or are def. there ?

nanexo

anyway haters gonna hate - gtg and make some moniez - will be reading again tomorrow if there are any founded arguments

hellblazer

The American ideal is freedom. If it's your property, you can do whatever you want with it.

If Islam as a political and religious system infringes upon American ideals of freedom(women's right to vote, freedom of religion), then it is inherently anti-American.

These people are burning their copies of the Koran to make the point that Islam is inherently anti-American.

Your mistake is assuming that "freedom of religion" means accepting all religions, even if they directly conflict with American principles of freedom of speech, religion, etc.. No. It doesn't work that way. You don't exploit our freedoms in order to subvert our freedoms. Only a suicidal retard would accept that.

Islam demands conversion by the sword, second-class status for women, and death for unbelievers. That's what sharia law is. You libs are simply watered down versions of European secularists, whose godless values have left them so confused they're helping the Islamic hordes tighten the noose around their own throat. Look at Sweden - there's areas that police and ambulances can't even go into because they're totally taken over. Europe's done, the U.K. actually allows Muslims to follow their own law(within their own country, unheard of).

It's such an obvious takeover I don't know how you don't see it. It's expertly designed, funded by the Saudis, and working perfectly. You guys are deceived by the propaganda, their agenda moves forward, Europe's perhaps a decade from being totally swallowed up, and it's slowly coming to the U.S. But I don't expect useful idiots like you to see it through the prism of truth until someone you care about is affected, and even then maybe not.

conv3rsion

are you going to completely dodge my question about current day marriage practices in islam?

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zingo

burn baby burn.. join in the chant..



Lies, lies, lies, lies
Gold, gold, gold, gold
Guns, guns, guns, guns
Fire, fire, fire

Gold, gold, gold, gold
Church, church, church, church
Guns, guns, guns, guns
Fire, fire, fire

Muscle and hate
Muscle and hate
Muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle

Lies, lies, lies, lies
Books, books, books, books
Burn, burn, burn, burn
Fire, fire, fire

Church, church, church, church
Gold, gold, gold, gold
Guns, guns, guns, guns
Fire, fire, fire

conv3rsion

burning an american flag, while obviously allowed under our freedoms, is anti-american.

Its a sad day when conservatives won't state that burning an american flag is anti-american. its also a sad day when you will say that protecting someone's freedom of religion (whether it be by frowning about the destruction of their religious texts or their right to assemble wherever) is dangerous because some extremists followers (read: manipulators) of that religion have suckered you into the exact ideological war they are hoping to wage.

Congrats on playing into their hand. Sheep.

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HustlinHard

I tried ignore this thread as much as possible, but your completely backwards and uneducated thinking was too ridiculous. You sound like someone with a complete lack of any critical thinking ability, blindly following this ideology that was passed down in the form of tradition. Leave your emotions out of it and really think about what it is that you believe.

My biggest gripe with Islam is the violence and overall negativity that radiates anywhere that this religion does. You sound reasonably educated, can't you see how much fucking violence this crap has caused? Do you truly feel the positivity outweighs the negativity?

The fundamental flaw in Islam is leaving too many concepts up for interpretation. For example as you mentioned, muslims are allowed to use violence to defend themselves and their beliefs if they are in danger, given that there are no other choices. Now at first glance this seems reasonable, but if you understand the human mind at little better you realize it's completely fucked up. What exactly constitutes "in danger"? how about "no other choices"? If I get into an argument with a muslim at the grocery store and in the spur of the moment said in that "I'd kill him if I ever saw him again", would that be enough for him to justify killing me in "defense"? Humans are great at rationalizing things islam provides too many ways of justifying the wrong things, so much that the majority of people who practice it, exploit it into working for them.

Take a step back and look at the fucking world, then tell me whether islam is good or not. It's just like testing a campaign, you throw up a fuckload of ad variations, throw enough impressions at them to figure out whether any convert, and if nothings happening, you ditch the fucker and move on.

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MadMaxNine

Wait, so If Mohammed were alive today he'd be a convicted felon serving time for statutory rape and polygamy... and If Jesus were alive today he'd be serving time for.. *head scratch*...

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hellblazer

There's nothing anti-American about burning a piece of cloth. What is anti-American is burning what that flag represents, i.e. what Islam does by denying women equal voting rights and denying non-Muslims religious freedom. THAT'S anti-American.

Keep minimizing the threat and telling yourself it poses no danger, until the day you wake up to the call to prayer over the loudspeaker, more and more veiled women on the streets, increased attacks on infidels, and pockets of America accepting sharia law. When that happens, keep telling yourself it's just "some" extremists and fringe figures.

Saudi Arabia is the main funding source for most terrorist brainwashing centers, and we're helping them cut our throats by sending them billions in oil dollars. Think about that next time you try to delude yourself into thinking this is some disorganized, paltry attempt by a few "extremists".

zingo

I have to question anyone that worships a pedophile.

All hail Mohammad the Pedophile..

Please try to rationalize this someone.. I want to here.. all ears

Suck Fucker...

Muhammed - The Pedophile

When she was 6, Muhammad asked Abu Bakr, Aisha's father, for her hand. Abu Bakr thought it was
improper, because, as he said "I am your brother"; Muhammad brushed aside Abu Bakr's reservation by
saying that it was perfectly lawful for him to marry Aisha [ Ref: SAHIH BUKHAR I7:18].

So, Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad, and 3 years later, i.e. when Aisha was 9, the marriage was
consumed. And Muhammad was 53 then [SAHIH BUKHARI
1991:236,7:64,7:65,7:88] .

Aisha became Muhammad's favourite wife. And the sexuality in the relationship was predominant [
SAHIH BUKHARI .1.270, 3:36, 7:6, 3:148, 3:149, 3:150, 7:142, IbnSa'd 1pg165 ].

Mohammad also liked his "redwings" it seems.

# Menses or fasting do not reduce Muhammad's desire and potency for sex. His
nightly rounds to his wives(lastly 12-13) did require more than average potency.

subigo

lol..... lolololol......

You people.

justo_tx

It's as naive to think that the Quran hasn't been translated or interpreted to meet the agendas of man over the last 700 years as it is to think the Bible hasn't been translated or interpreted to meet the agendas of man over the last 2000 years. The faithful of both religions believe their books to be inerrant.

ly2 from WF

Small problem there, christians don't follow through with the shit, muslims do.

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hellblazer

No, actually the "small problem" is that the Bible repudiates the violence in the New Testament, meaning Christians are advocated not to do violence. But don't expect to hear that from one of these Bible scholars.

subigo

lol. Then you haven't read the NT.

LotsOfZeros

What this thread needs is a little humor so I'm posting a little funny (not mine, can't take credit for this).

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zingo

Good find!

Love and Tolerance to all ..

subigo

I'm just gonna stick these here... because, you know, there are no Christian terrorist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)
The Lambs of Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Concerned Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hutaree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
Christian Patriot movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anti-abortion violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

popeye

Was this before or after she stated that Americans hate muslims?

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subigo

You mean they don't? You sure do.

jdomaha

Burning a flag is un-American.

Preventing someone from burning a flag is more un-American.

Islam isn't the problem. The problem is primitivism, tribalism and the lack of any hope of bettering yourselves other than by destroying others.

WickedJoe

I've read the NT. And like I said.. Jesus himself never once called for violence and always encouraged peace IN EVERY SITUATION.

If you're refering to revelations it's well known that that book was written well after Jesus existed by a guy named John. And even then the book might say that all unbelievers will burn but I don't think it ever says take up arms against the unbelievers. And when the Quran says take up arms against the unbelievers it's not some battle story (like in the old testament).. its the author (prophet Mohammad) talking directly to the readers, giving them explicit directions! It's a direct handbook.

Every direct quote from JC was peaceful. This is surprising considering there are 4+ different authors writing down what he supposedly said.

It's dangerous to lump all religions into the exact same category just because you're probably a non-believer, like me.

Multiculturalism is great unless you're encouraging a culture whose goal it is to end multiculturalism.

jdomaha

Very true. The Bible is full of logical flaws, errors and outright mistakes.

It's always been amazing to me that otherwise intelligent people follow a religion based on a book that's built from a few dozen ancient writings scribbled down by primitive peoples, torn up, re-written, lost, found, translated, re-written and then re-written for popular consumption.

The sooner we focus on promoting mankind and our interests as a species, the faster we can get away from this idiotic worship of an imaginary, magical sky-wizard - whatever his name.

subigo

Solution: Make Subigo 'King of the World'

Did you know "subigo" is latin for "to put down and conquer all" and "Eric" means "ever powerful one ruler"? I've already got the names, so, half way there you know.

JakeStratham

How do we know you're not just in it for the free internet access?

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popeye

So making fun of moderate muslims will turn them radical?? Is this only a phenomenon that occurs in the muslim community. Are they so backward and thin skinned that we must protect them from mockery?

Jews and Christians to a greater extent are mocked daily on tv and the internet. Does this turn them into blood thirsty savages ready to cut the heads off anyone that draws a cartoon of Jesus?

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subigo

You are sooooo INSENSITIVE.

jdomaha

This is simply not true, although I'm quoting from, again, a bunch of mismatched translations from scribblings by primitive savages.

Jesus calls for the burning of the unfaithful as much as the Koran does, if not more. Unbelievers are to be "hewn down" and cast into the fire. Does that sound peaceful?

Jesus also believed that people are cripples because they sinned somehow and god is punishing them.

Jesus was kind of a prick.

jdomaha

Mockery is good for "people of the book." It tests their faith and brings them closer to god.

zingo

The best post I have seen in ages...

WickedJoe

Your grasping for straws with the "hewn down" phrase. You didn't even quote it right.. it doesn't say shit about unbelievers. You should look that one up and see what it really means.

But I'm not going to sit around defending JC all day. From what I've read and seen JC was as peaceful as they come, JC's followers are usually the pricks.

Comparing JC to a Warlord who personally beheaded 500-800 people is just foolish.

ly2 from WF

I don't think you really want to start comparing lists of terror groups and terror acts. If you do, let me know and I'll play along. You can post a christian terrorist act or group and for each one you post I'll post 100 muslim terror acts.

If you wanna do it, lets roll. Otherwise, stop comparing christians and muslims because there is no comparison and you fucking know it.

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johu

Same fucking bullshit arguments as is in the "near ground zero Mosque" thread.

Is burning the Qu'ran right? That's for you to decide. I don't give a shit. Is it legal? Yes.

So long as it is legal, who gives a fuck if it's "right".

Some will bash the Mosque due to it not being "right", and then support burning Qu'rans since it's "legal". Fuck, both are legal, neither are "right" to everyone, but fuck it, both should be allowed with none of this bullshit arguing about what's "right" in America these days.

adigitalorange

This. Anybody who is trying to compare the two and their acts of violence over the past 35 years, as far as I am concerned, is just lying to themselves.

Ar Scion

If violence and militancy is the problem let's dissolve the US. We spend too much money, train too many of our men, and exert too much of our will through "violence and militancy".

Heck, we talk a lot about committing acts of violence on WickedFire. Let's get rid of it too.

This is the US. We can handle a little shit talk, whether it comes on an internet forum or the quran. We're badass like that.

subigo

lol... 35 years.

Fuck your 35 years. I'm going on a 2k year timescale. Just because I wasn't alive doesn't mean it didn't happen. If Christians and Muslims want to live their lives based on something that happened 1k and 2k years ago, I damn well will bring up the things that those groups have done in that time period.

You can say, "well right now, blah blah blah". Screw that, you worship something ancient, you're get lumped in with all that is ancient as well.

hellblazer

Ok, this is just pathetic. Have you even read the Bible?