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This story was published here in the UK today. Personally, I do believe myself, but it is interesting to hear what he has to say since he is considered by many to be the smartest man alive. Wondered what you guys thought...

Not that long back, he also commented on...

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Garrett

still not gonna shut up the seriously religious.

On the brightside, at least the news is being released on my birthday! take that Jesus. I'm hip to your scams

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Bombastic

Either way, whether its divine creation or spontaneous creation there is no way around having to accept that there is something infinite. If you believe that the universe created itself, it still created itself from something - from matter and energy that already existed. If you believe that God created the universe, then God already existed. In either case, either the matter and energy have no beginning, or God has no beginning. It just exists, and always has. Whichever one you believe.

Man can spend forever trying to intellectualize it but there will never be an answer to the question "Where did it all begin?" because something has always existed.

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soulravager

I think it was obvious that there was no creator ?

jutes

Doesn't matter what we think. I for one, couldn't care less.

Hawking's just pissed off at God, whether it exists or not, because he's an impotent cripple that may as well be a brain in a jar. And he blames God for that.

The guy is either a liar or not a genius at mathematics at all (which is obviously untrue). He knows that you cannot mathematically prove the existence of zero without first accepting the concept of ONE.

He believes in a God concept. He's just too pissed off at it...

anoko

These fucking scientists don't give up LOL. I guess the "big-bang" breathed life into man. Gave the fish that have light in the deep dark parts of the ocean.

So tired of these bullocks.

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gnarlyguy

I agree with the retard. God is my brain to me.

pat J

Yes, energy has most likely always existed. Time is just something we use to measure movement with.

So, in other words.. There is no past or future, only an everlasting, everchanging present.

Soupyone

This appeal to authority is fallacious:

Stephen Hawking says God doesn't exist and since Stephen Hawking is smart it must be true.

Sounds just like:

My pastor says God exists and since my pastor is smart it must be true.

I care just as much of Hawking's opinion of God as I do Joe Torre's opinion of the Miami Heat.

popeye

This is the problem I find with most people. Not saying that the man is right or wrong but you guys take the hypothesis of one man and make it the truth.

Did you accept his first explanation that there was a god? Remember he was for god before he was against.

Until I see proof that matter can be created from nothing...then well the big bang is right up there with the bible.

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testonej

I think the funniest thing about all this is if you go and look at other things Stephen has written or watch any of his documentaries... he says things like "its lucky that gravity came to be". He, and everyone else still don't seem to have a good explanation on where gravity came from or how it seems to work.

As humans, we still have a long way to go to truly understand the beginning of everything.

davidne

One question...how the fuck does he know? All of his theories are based on speculation and things that we think we know. All things considered, there could be millions of little aliens inside the atoms of our cells, running our bodies.

Mugshot

hmmm.......i wonder how the penis and vagina came to be

JasonScanlon

I'm not saying I believe in God in a religious sense, but how the fuck does something as huge and oredered as the universe come from fuck all. Old dalek voice says "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing". Well where the fuck did that law come from?

Garrett

Well, being inundated with thousands of people preaching their faith on me on an almost daily basis for my entire life, it feels good to hear some new news from a respected scientist that challenges these groups of people.

As far as 'God' goes, I have my own beliefs and instincts. I don't really listen to what everybody else tells me about it (i.e. every religion ever).

I'm just snidefully highlighting the comments for the devoted religious fanatics who have badgered me my whole life to swallow their philosophy and regard it as truth

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sevnup

Towards the end of the article.. Aliens, Columbus/America, intelligent threatening beings.

Sounds like he's going insane, like most super geniuses do.

I hate religion. But I believe there is a God out there.

JasonScanlon

Like it

jr_sci

Agreed. I do believe in God (an eternal energy for our existence). Religion has nothing to do with the creation of this Universe. It's spritual not a religious hypothesis. One day by 25th or 28th Century, Robot's will say, "Man have not created Robots", Atleast they will be partially right. "Machines creates machines. Who uses a hand to make machines?", Right? WTF ?

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BlueYonder

ROTFL. Of course. Nature abhors a vacuum. +rep

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Russ86

I don't think that religion (aside from being the main cause of most major wars throughout history) is a bad thing [/sarcasm]... So I guess I can't blame "believers" for their blind ignorance in defending their current perception of reality. But if you REALLY look at the facts with an open mind, instead of desperately holding onto what you have been taught your entire life (that there is some sort of divine creator), you would quickly realize that there is no concrete or factual evidence that supports your cause. While on the other hand, there are countless facts that support the truth.

However, if believing in something greater helps you to sleep at night and ease your anxiety about the fact that one day you will just cripple over and die into non-existence. Then who is everyone else to tell you differently. Just have 'faith'.

JasonScanlon

Personaly, I think organized religion has a lot to answer for and that for sure there is no bearded man in the sky that watches our every move (I hope not, or I'm defo going to hell for jacking off). But the idea that an organized universe with rules comes from nothing seems equaly as absurd as a omni present man that lives in the clouds. I think there is an answer that we can't comprehend yet, but will one day. Just a thought.

Pulse

..if we don't blow ourselves up first

JasonScanlon

or bleed the planet dry...

erifdekciw

nobody knows either way. I like how atheists prance around and believe in theories that can't even be proven. They are just theories... You really think we know what the hell happened billions of years ago? We barely got out of the stone age. Until we become some super intelligent race that can travel through out the universe and know everything thing there is to know about it I don't think either side really has a case.

I normally don't get into these debates, but all you raging atheists are starting to become worse than the religious fanatics... Most of you will buy any bull shit theory from scientist just like any religious fanatic buys bull shit feed to them at church. Both groups are a bunch of sheep just eating out of different hands.

-God-

I was annoyed by this quote, which seems to be putting words in his mouth. (Oh the irony.)

"Hawking had seemed to accept the role of God in the creation of the universe."

Hawking, like any properly, properly intelligent person, is an atheist. (That's not saying religionists are thick, just that geniuses see god for what it is - man's need to require structure and reason.)

By the way zealots, who created god?

The trouble is with your take on this is you go down that pathetic route of atheists being fanatics. Most, like me, don't care. I don't choose science over religion. I choose no religion because it's completely obsurd! I don't care about scientific theory or some religionists take on something they've never understood. I care that in my rational mind, religion, of any kind, is total bollocks.

JasonScanlon

Nice bit of independent thought, well said. LOL at the picture btw!

zingo

The TRUTH is he as no more of a fucking clue as to what is going on as the you or me. We are all on the same playing field when it come to this subject.

He is just giving his opinion based on what he/we all can see (which is not much).

Did God (most think of some super human figure) create us and everything we see? I dont think so, but there is some reason for it, what it is no one knows.

There has to be some sort of design to everything, just look at yourself what could have came up the design of just humans? Had to be something with just a little intelligence don't you think? Or did we just evolve out of nothing?

To just think what we evolved out of nothing and just happened to come to be is pretty simple thinking.

Is there some kingdom in the sky (heaven) no. Is there something going on we humans cannot see, don't be stupid. You can label it what ever you want but God is about the best we can come up with, a power greater than ourselves is how I define it.

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Russ86

There are flaws in your logic. See, while I might be a raving atheist, I don't necessarily believe in every theory that every scientist comes out with. Do I believe in the big bang theory, not entirely. Do I believe in evolution (which is more recently proven to be fact, rather than theory) yes. I believe in things that provide sufficient evidence that seem reasonable.

When there are things that can't fully be understood, I don't cling to an imaginary deity in the sky as the answer to all of my problems, instead I accept the fact that I do not know the answer yet.

Choosing to not believe in a god based on the lack of evidence of one existing is not sheep like behavior. Blindly following the notion that there is some sort of supreme being in the clouds that will sentence you to an eternity in hell if your sins aren't forgiven, well... I think you get the picture.

clyde

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subigo

Talking about Hawking and Physics on WF is like asking a baby to build a skyscraper. I'm not touching this thread.

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kingofsp

Everyone please take a time-out to read and then we can resume a proper debate on this topic.

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mattfca

so what happens when we die?

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ayzo

I find it funny that people think it can only be one way or the other, why not a little bit of both?

Futurama to the rescue:

Watch Futurama Episode 9 – A Clockwork Origin

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JasonScanlon

Because that would be a contradiction in terms. Thanks for the link though

m0rtal

I'm not gonna get into the debate but be honest, how many of you did the voice in your head when reading the quote?

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JasonScanlon

LOLZ

mattfca

I think we go to heaven

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mattfca

You idiot, we are mear particles of something in this universe. When we die, like all organisms, nothing happens.

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erifdekciw

Your a sheep if you openly bash a religion because you think its stupid based on your beliefs on stuff you probably know very little about. You believe in a theory that before the universe was created there was this huge explosion that created the universe. Yet you find it stupid for people to believe in a higher power that created everything. They both sound very far fetched.

that being said id say religion serves a better purpose for people than the ideas of non believers ever will. Infact I'd say that if it weren't for religion and having a belief in something higher and the belief of appeasing that higher power we wouldn't be where we are today. Religion helps humans believe in something. It sets moral boundaries and keeps people in check.

As for atheists I gotta admit I don't think i've ever seen a happy atheist. Probably because most atheist don't believe in anything other than themselves. If everyone today stopped believing in their religion of choice and became an atheist the world would be a lot different. Wither you want to believe it or not Id say the idea of religion has helped the human race more than it has hurt it. The problem is people abuse religion to get what they want. Thats just human nature. There will always be a few bad apples in the wrong place.

But anyway either side has no real right to trash the other because they both lack proof. Religion works on faith and science wants facts. Religion doesn't work that way and science can't prove either side right or wrong so the whole debate is pointless. Any side that openly bashes each others beliefs is like starting a gun fight with no bullets. Its pointless and stupid. Move on with your lives.

Kryt3n

Difference is religion is based upon nothing more than faith without evidence and was made up in a time when people knew nothing about science or the world around them. Why doesn't the bible talk about electricity, DNA, the rest of the universe etc. This is why I prefer to stick with science which is discovering more about the universe rather than just saying "god did it".

guysmy

You can’t prove or disprove God.

Such things exist in the “spirit” realm which we can not see, measure or experience since we are physical beings. Therefore a non-physical reality (and whether it exists or not) is totally irrelevant to us.

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JarredLv

Read a book called The End of Faith by Sam Harris and then revisit this statement and see if you still agree with yourself. Religion is one of the most abhorrent inventions man has ever created. It literally stunts our growth as a species. 46% of Americans believe that in the next 50 years the rapture will happen, the world will end, and Jesus will come back to earth and take his "flock" to heaven. How can a thought process like that be good for society? How can brainwashing a 6 year old into the belief that is he sins that he will burn for eternity in hell? Just a tiny fraction of what is wrong with religion.

By the way, I'm an Atheist and I'm quite happy. I don't need a religion to set my "moral boundaries" or keep me "in check." They very thing you use to support religion is one of it's most devious characteristics. It is used to control people by a theological oligarchy to do what they consider right and wrong. Take gay marriage for instance. The only argument in opposition for it comes from the religious zealots who claim that their god doesn't like it. And this is not a small minority of "bad apples." It is a significant portion of the populace trying to impose their twisted perspective on other sovereign people, all based on religion.

I encourage everyone to watch this video - http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/sa...t_s_right.html

It makes a fantastic argument for the eradication of religion. We do not need religion, it needs to go the way of Zeus and Thor. This world would be much better off without it.

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turbolapp

Weird, cause I'm tired of these bullocks.

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We're dead?

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Fatbat

Dammit, I never thought of it like that... if God created the universe and us, then who created God? And who created the creator of God? And the creator of the creator of God? And...

I think my head's going to explode

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