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Old 09-13-2010, 08:36 PM   #51 (permalink)
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No such thing as rudby (that's twice you spelled it like that). I can only assume you mean rugby. It's not a very long word so I wouldn't figure you would be so stupid. Soccor is really spelled soccer. Dude, if you're a native English speaker, then you should sue your school district. If you're not, you should be a little more tolerant of foreigners and people with different religions and views from your own.

I have no reason to believe Muslims wouldn't want to get involved with the community other than tards like you who ignorantly go around saying they hate Islam.
You silly retard. You want me to be tolerant of a religion that murders innocent people. Typical Liberal faggot.

Fight the idol-worshipers, capture, besiege and ambush them until they convert to Islam. 9:5

Fight the non-believers, Allah will humiliate them and give you victory. 9:14

When you are at war with the unbelievers, chop at their necks until you win the battle and then chain them up. After the war, set the POWs free or ransom their lives. War is a test from Allah. 47:4

Non-Muslims must convert or be “subdued” until they pay a special tax (the jyzia). 9:29

If you fight against Allah or Muhammad your “reward” is: death, crucifixion (or torture) having your hands and feet cut off or expulsion from the land. 5:33
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You silly retard. You want me to be tolerant of a religion that murders innocent people. Typical Liberal faggot.

Fight the idol-worshipers, capture, besiege and ambush them until they convert to Islam. 9:5

Fight the non-believers, Allah will humiliate them and give you victory. 9:14

When you are at war with the unbelievers, chop at their necks until you win the battle and then chain them up. After the war, set the POWs free or ransom their lives. War is a test from Allah. 47:4

Non-Muslims must convert or be “subdued” until they pay a special tax (the jyzia). 9:29

If you fight against Allah or Muhammad your “reward” is: death, crucifixion (or torture) having your hands and feet cut off or expulsion from the land. 5:33
"Muslims should renounce their religion or we will eradicate them"
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You silly retard. You want me to be tolerant of a religion that murders innocent people. Typical Liberal faggot.
You seem to have trouble distinguishing religion from people. By all means, be anti-islam, but to be anti-muslim is to be anti-human, since you're up against 1/5th of humanity.

The struggle has and will always be against ideology/religion, NOT people. That's why the afghanistan war was flawed, lets not even mention the completely pointless iraq war which had nothing to do with any terrorist attacks.

How else do you explain the London 7/7 bombings? The guys there were born and bred in england, and they had no affiliation with alqaida or bin laden, no matter how how much the media would like you to believe.

The sad reality is most of those killed in these wars didnt need to die. The militia response in Iraq is just a natural reaction, if you invade ANY country you're going to meet resistance. It will manifest itself in some way or another. Had they not gone in these people would not be in arms, leading in their deaths and the deaths of the occupiers.

This whole thing stinks, and what stinks even more is the pathetic bigotry, ignorance and hate-mongering by people like popeye. People like him just dont get it, 'rack up some muslim kills'? how utterly pathetic.
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Oh hai.

Here's controversial statement for you.

The September 11 attacks saved the West from eventual domination by Islamists, by alerting the West to the threat.

I don't mean the violent threat from the terrorists, Al Qaeda etc.

I mean the the non-violent Jihad that was already under way before 9/11, but the public did not give a shit about, despite a few very vocal voices trying to raise the alarm. Oh, it was violent in the Third World - they were just using different tactics in the West, the West still being to powerful to confront.

I mean the thousands of extremists Wahabi mosques that Saudi oil money was opening all over the world, including in the West. Leftists retards did not dare to criticize or interfere, in the name of multiculturalism, while the fourth column of hatred was being built up in their midst.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
Here a mosque, there a mosque.. - Grendel Report
Cultural Terrorism and Wahhabi Islam - Council on Foreign Relations

I mean the rival Muslim Brotherhood movement from Egypt that was doing the same. And the Manifesto, aimed to establishing Islamic dominance, without resorting to violence until they are powerful enough to do so:
Observations From The Belly Of The Beast: Muslim Brotherhood Manifesto
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Rather than focusing on terrorism as the sole method of group action, as is the case with Al-Qaeda, in perfect postmodern fashion the use of terror falls into a multiplicity of options available to progressively infiltrate, confront, and eventually establish Islamic domination over the West. The following tactics and techniques are among the many recommendations made in The Manifesto:

Networking and coordinating actions between likeminded Islamist organizations.

Avoiding open alliances with known terrorist organizations and individuals to maintain the appearance of “moderation”.

Infiltrating and taking over existing Muslim organizations to realign them towards the Muslim Brotherhood’s collective goals.

Using deception to mask the intended goals of Islamist actions, as long as it doesn’t conflict with shari’a law.

Avoiding social conflicts with Westerners locally, nationally or globally, that might damage the long-term ability to expand the Islamist powerbase in the West or provoke a lash back against Muslims.

etc.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM.


I mean the Gulenists and the AKP in Turkey, who've spent 30 years moving themselves into the power centres of Turkey, so that they can finally make their move and turn Turkey back towards conversative Islamism and its Ottoman past. Thank fuck they were not admitted into the EU before this happened.
That is the problem. 70 years of ultra-secularism could not suppress them, Islamism is an insidious, violent, bigoted fascist political system. Oh, its a religion too. Good.

I mean Hizb ut-Tahrir, who've spread all through the Western world and were free to spread their message about 'establishing an Islamic Caliphate in the West decades from now, using 'democratic' means'.

Islamist leader Burhan Hanif tells Aussie Muslims to 'shun democracy' | The Daily Telegraph
"British Hizb ut-Tahrir leader Burhan Hanif told participants at a conference in western Sydney yesterday that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law. "

They are the problem.

Down to their little foot soldiers roaming the streets bashing people for being gay, white, jewish, dressed not according to their standards:

"THEY call themselves MBM - the Muslim Brotherhood Movement - a gang of 600 men who boast they are the toughest and best young street fighters of Middle Eastern descent in Sydney."
Bikie gangs


The problem are the Islamists separatists in the south of Spain, calling for the re-establishment of Al-Andalus, Islam's greatest loss. They are Hamas, calling for the destruction of Israel. They are Islamists in the south of Thailand killing non-Muslims and calling for their own state. They are the same in the South of Phillippines. In various parts of Russian. In the Balkans. They are in the bienleus of Paris, torching police cars and throwing rocks at girls in mini-skirts and attacking art galleries. They are in Stockholm raping 'western sluts'. And in Amsterdam, bashing gays. They are in Lebanon, trying to establish a Shia theocracy. They are in the Sudan, slaughering black Muslims and Christians. They are in India, in the Carribean, in the Horn of Africa. They are Boko Haram in Northern Nigeria, trying to establish Sharia Law and stoning young girls raped by their uncles and leading pogroms against the Christian areas. They are Jemaah Islaamiyah in Indonesia, calling for a Caliphate that includes the north of Australia, attacking Christians in Aceh and forcibly circumcizing (mutilating) young girls. They are those who slaughtered millions of non-Muslims during the 'creation' of Pakistan and Bangladesh. Executed tens of thousands in the creation of the Iranian theocracy.


All of this was going on LONG before 9/11. Non of it is related to Israel, Afghanistan or Iraq, although flames were certainly added to the fire. But the Jihad has been going on for 1400 years. The all-encompassing, mind-controlling insidious dogma has been spreading like a cancer for over a millenia.

So THANK YOU bin Laden. All these things were going on out of sight, out of mind. Thank you for bringing it to the world's attention.
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I dont know if you guys are islam or generally arabs lovers - i will quote a wise man -
Ones the arabs will love there own childrens more then they hate us peace will be possible.

Us here is about israel. and everything you ever see in the news about arabs carrying babies on there hands as human shields is all true and you would know that if you have been to any of the wars .

People that teaches there kids since they are 5 to hate jews - to hate americans to hate everyone else that isnt arab - these are people that you cant have peace with. and unless the whole situation change , the solution is obvious.

And yes people can say - its not true some of them are good and all that - but if some of them were that good they would resist the hisballa or islam or what ever.

some of them are good some of them are bad - i dont buy this shit.
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Yeah, you're right: no Christians have killed those who don't believe in what they do.
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I am Irish and the majority of people here in Ireland do not think of Americans as bible waving extremists. That is a stupid stereotype.
If you're Irish you might have heard about "The Troubles" where Christians blew each other up for about 40 years because they disagreed about each other's view of Christianity.
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I dont know if you guys are islam or generally arabs lovers - i will quote a wise man -
Ones the arabs will love there own childrens more then they hate us peace will be possible.

Us here is about israel. and everything you ever see in the news about arabs carrying babies on there hands as human shields is all true and you would know that if you have been to any of the wars .

People that teaches there kids since they are 5 to hate jews - to hate americans to hate everyone else that isnt arab - these are people that you cant have peace with. and unless the whole situation change , the solution is obvious.

And yes people can say - its not true some of them are good and all that - but if some of them were that good they would resist the hisballa or islam or what ever.

some of them are good some of them are bad - i dont buy this shit.
I like ya mate, but you really need to use some quotation marks, periods, commas, and all that other good English grammar when you are writing. It took me 5 minutes to figure out what you meant, especially since you said you were talking about someone else's comment and it was hard to figure out where theirs stopped and your's began.
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Firstly, some of you are still going about the same way as before my previous post, can you really be so blind as to see all religions/people can be as bad as each other?

In case you need reminding:
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Christians:
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You silly retard. You want me to be tolerant of a religion that murders innocent people. Typical Liberal faggot.

Fight the idol-worshipers, capture, besiege and ambush them until they convert to Islam. 9:5

Fight the non-believers, Allah will humiliate them and give you victory. 9:14

When you are at war with the unbelievers, chop at their necks until you win the battle and then chain them up. After the war, set the POWs free or ransom their lives. War is a test from Allah. 47:4

Non-Muslims must convert or be “subdued” until they pay a special tax (the jyzia). 9:29

If you fight against Allah or Muhammad your “reward” is: death, crucifixion (or torture) having your hands and feet cut off or expulsion from the land. 5:33
You wanna go into religious quotes? Sure, I can do that.
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'But if you or your sons ever fail to obey the commandments and regulations I gave you, or worship other gods, I will eradicate Israel from the land I gave them.' 'Israel will be the object of ridicule among the nations, and this temple will be a heap of ruins! 'Passersby will be amazed and ask, "Why did Yahweh do this to the land and the Temple?"'
'And they will say, "Because they renounced Yahweh and worshipped other gods. This is why Yahweh has brought disaster on them."'
I won't go into Job, that whole section's a load of aggression and God being a dick to a person who loves him, for no reason other than basically that he's bored. If you want to read it yourself, check it out online. ~

Another pointlessly violent one is The Wilderness. Most of the section is violence, so I can't really quote it all. But it includes the massacre of well over a hundred thousand, possibly 2 hundred, including two people, for no other reason than they lit a fire in the middle of the desert, with incense, in his name... Not to mention the man who gets stoned to death for gathering wood on sabbath..[/quote]


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Now, let's move onto The Law, shall we?
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not listen to the voice of his father or his mother even when they punish him, his father and mother must take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard." All the men of the town must then stone him to death. You must banish this evil from among you.
Time for some family stoning? Er...
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Deuteronomy 13:6-10[/SIZE]]If your brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife tries to secretly entice you, telling you to go and worship other gods, gods of people living near you, or far from you, or anywhere on earth, do not listen to him. You must kill them. Show them no pity. And your hand must strike the first blow. Then the hands of all the people. You shall stone them to death.
Ok, and as I don't want to fill up this post with too many quotes, I'll just give a brief summary from now on.

Forced to marry your rapist: Deuteronomy 22:29

If you can't prove you were a virgin to the elders when you're married, you get stoned to death: Deuteronomy 22:20

Can't enter church if you lose your ding-dong, or get it crushed: Deuteronomy 23:1

If a man suspects his wife's cheating, he should take her to the priest, who'll put dust from the floor in a bowl with water, she should then drink it, if she gets ill from it, she's cheating and will be left to die from the disease: Numbers 5:27

Fasten the "laws" (I take to mean the bible) to your hands and foreheads: Deuteronomy 6:8

God will abandon you if you don't bury your poop when you poop outside (I'm not joking about this!): Deuteronomy 23:14

After six years, you have to let your slave go, keeping his wife and children. If he decides he wants to stay, you take him to your door, driving a chisel through his head, into the door. Exodus 21:21

I could go further, with all the other thousands of killings etc in the bible, but quite honestly, I don't think I really need to.
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The struggle has and will always be against ideology/religion, NOT people. That's why the afghanistan war was flawed, lets not even mention the completely pointless iraq war which had nothing to do with any terrorist attacks.

How else do you explain the London 7/7 bombings? The guys there were born and bred in england, and they had no affiliation with alqaida or bin laden, no matter how how much the media would like you to believe.

The sad reality is most of those killed in these wars didnt need to die. The militia response in Iraq is just a natural reaction, if you invade ANY country you're going to meet resistance. It will manifest itself in some way or another. Had they not gone in these people would not be in arms, leading in their deaths and the deaths of the occupiers.
Personally, while I agree with you on many of your points, I can't agree on the point about people v religion. It's people that make their interpretations on the religion that cause it, and people who want revenge, along with people who choose to do the things. As to 7/7 bombings, I believe there is footage of them training at offshore training camps. They were "brainwashed" (I don't like that term) into doing other people's bidding, made to think it was in the name of religion, but actually, it was just people again, being manipulative.
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Most modern day Christians do not follow the old Testament. The problem with Islam is they actually do the shit the Quran says to do.
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Most modern day Christians do not follow the old Testament. The problem with Islam is they actually do the shit the Quran says to do.
If modern day Christians don't follow the old testament, they're not following the new testament either.

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)


Which, in general, is why I think religion in general sucks. All of you guys just point the finger at each other and act like you're better, but in reality there's very little difference.
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Correction. Most modern day Christians selectively follow the new testament, choosing whatever they find agreeable to them.

Most modern day Muslims don't follow all of the Quran to the letter.

Some do, as with Christians.
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Firstly, some of you are still going about the same way as before my previous post, can you really be so blind as to see all religions/people can be as bad as each other?

In case you need reminding:



You wanna go into religious quotes? blahblah blah blah...
The problem is that retards like you come along every now and then with the same tired, wrong argument and it just becomes tedious to explain to you exactly why you're a fucking retard. So how about you actually learn about the covenants, Christianity, the New Testament, and grace vs. law concepts before making yourself look like a total buffoon. mmmkay?
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The problem is that retards like you come along every now and then with the same tired, wrong argument and it just becomes tedious to explain to you exactly why you're a fucking retard. So how about you actually learn about the covenants, Christianity, the New Testament, and grace vs. law concepts before making yourself look like a total buffoon. mmmkay?
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Old 09-14-2010, 05:25 PM   #67 (permalink)
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The problem is that retards like you come along every now and then with the same tired, wrong argument and it just becomes tedious to explain to you exactly why you're a fucking retard. So how about you actually learn about the covenants, Christianity, the New Testament, and grace vs. law concepts before making yourself look like a total buffoon. mmmkay?
I know about them thanks.

And ever heard of an ad-hominem attack? It's usually used by people who are losing a debate. Look it up.
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I know about them thanks.

And ever heard of an ad-hominem attack? It's usually used by people who are losing a debate. Look it up.
So you know that the New Covenant superceded the Old Covenant and yet you still perpetrate this fallacy? My bad, you're not a retard... you're just a filthy liar then.
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So you know that the New Covenant superceded the Old Covenant and yet you still perpetrate this fallacy? My bad, you're not a retard... you're just a filthy liar then.
Except for all of the parts of the new testament that outright state they don't replace the old testament. Or where Jesus outright tells people to follow old testament law

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Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)
Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)
Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18
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talk about identity crisis. How do you keep all of these straight? Which one is right?

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Medical, I admire you. But why do you try talking sense with these people, seriously?


There's nothing logical nor spiritual that's going to stop their irrational hate - let it go bro, seriously....
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Medical, I admire you. But why do you try talking sense with these people, seriously?


There's nothing logical nor spiritual that's going to stop their irrational hate - let it go bro, seriously....
srsly broham, let it go man...
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