Geordie

Not sure if anyone's posted this yet, leaked call with 'product launch gurus' who explain their "syndicate"


/sad

Garrett

I saw that. LOL when Andy Jenkins says "Fuck him!" (referring to the Salty Droid)

here is part 2

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Geordie

Andy's panting breath in the background is unnerving

dchuk

isn't this some sort of marketing/psychology tactic where you're an overt asshole and it somehow makes people like you more?

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Garrett

nah, I'm impressed with the Salty Droid in how he methodically just dismantles fools. I can think of at least 5 or 6 off the top of my head hahah (been reading since the start)

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Geordie

Either that or they're just as dumb as they sound

megatabbers

No shit! That fat fuck looks like he's a cheeseburger away from a heart attack!

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"I have always believed that writing advertisements is the second most profitable form of writing," said BBDO Chairman Philip Dusenberry. "The first, of course, is ransom notes."

Andrew Scherer

oh, this is good

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ShlomiKalfa

Are these to are 2 famous people around forums ? really the only 2 forums i know is WF mainly and DP a bit and i barely on DP. so these 2 are some what famous on forums ? they spoke about wooro forums in the first one. or something .. so

JoseArmando

Saw this on salty... I hate haters but this is good insight into how these launches get done.

The 20+% refund rates tell a lot about product quality.

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ShlomiKalfa

Can anyone give a bit of background about these too since i have no idea about them 2.

Garrett

sick of your fucking posts... gtfo!!!!

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ShlomiKalfa

Stop being sad. i will be your friend if you'll ask nicely.

Add more interesting picture though make you look wise.

BluAffiliate

I love how these guys rationalize.

"It's not like I'm holding a gun to someone and taking their money, huhuhuhu."

Geordie

It's like having to preface anything you say about your business model with "Now, this is totally legal"...#fail

onlinemoniez

I don't know. I don't hate on what these cats do. They sound like total d-bags, but they stack. I have no problem if they promptly honor refunds. If people will pay it, take their money.

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FTC-Hater

BACK TO THE B/S/T SECTION!

BACK! BACK BOY! BACK!

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megatabbers

You got to give it to the guy. He is quite clever. I like his approach to social engineering (B Team supports A Team).

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"I have always believed that writing advertisements is the second most profitable form of writing," said BBDO Chairman Philip Dusenberry. "The first, of course, is ransom notes."

FTC-Hater

Frank is probably the second or third smartest person I've ever talked to in this industry.

Probably the smartest person, when it comes to psychology and NLP, I've ever talked to without a doubt.

Shame he doesn't branch out into other areas, could see him being the next Gary Halbert for sure.

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Sonny Forelli

<------ this whole post/names/"product" names







<------ my head

PandaJam

cougarclaws

fuckin lol'd. Kern is good people in my book. The rest of them can suck a bag of dicks though.

megatabbers

IDK. He's definitely talented but those are some tough shoes to fill.

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"I have always believed that writing advertisements is the second most profitable form of writing," said BBDO Chairman Philip Dusenberry. "The first, of course, is ransom notes."

PandaJam

zRo yA DiG

Why would anyone ever buy this?

amateursurgeon

I thought Video Boss was great value, but then I took advantage of the generous 100% discount available on bittorrent.

iPwnNoobs

You guys give him too little credit

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Traska

I am surprised some of you in here think Frank Kern is alright.
What else does he do besides sell marketing courses to dummies?

Has he created any companies/products not in the marketing niche?

barman

i wroted a post
Guru Mouth Breather Talks About His Product Launch – Video Boss | ppc.bz

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JakeStratham

Yes.

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dsiomtw

Frank is actually an OK guy. Reese is an OK guy. They have both made millions outside of the IM niche. Kern has done it in the dog training and other niches, and Reese has done a shit load of stuff that most people don't even know about. For example he created one of the very first image hosting sites for ebay back in the day...

Most of the other jerk offs in the "syndicate" are total slimeballs ala Mike Filsaime and Andy Jenkins and all the rest. They are out to fuck people are hard as they can and that's it.

The few smart ones like Kern and Reese realize that the syndicate's future is bleak and they are off doing other things now. Kern is working on a "legit" local lead gen company and Reese is off starting a video game company, and neither is really participating in the "syndicate" any more.

I'm just not sure they got out in time. We shall see what happens ... especially with good ole' Frank.

bizousoft

Posted this on Wafo main page, so far it's been 10 minutes with 5 responses and it's hasn't been taken down??!

where's Steven when you need him

bizousoft

lol ok minute 11 and it's Gaaawwn, what a bunch of commies sometimes

theunicorn

"Frank didn’t make four figures online until he started lying about making six."

» Frank Kern Underachieving

sad how many people that should know better think kern is somehow legit.

ChrisS

This.

These dudes have laughed all the way to the bank many times. No matter how much the basement dwelling investigatedurrs (like barman ) bitch and moan they still end up banking millions.

This particular video might actually do some damage to their customer base. However, I'd wager that in the long term it won't be a war winner.

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JakeStratham

When these threads land, it's really easy to identify who knows Kern, Reese, the Jeffs, and others, and who doesn't. And those who know the truth rarely talk about it.

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dsiomtw

First rule of the syndicate - don't talk about the syndicate!

Steroids

edited

erifdekciw

so who wants to start a syndicate with me?

jamesc32

^ In

Danc1122

This is bullshit! I wanna be in a syndicate lol

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JustFU

hahahaha I can't believe people are freaking the fuck out the way they are on that site about that call. Like every "real" business in the world doesn't talk about maximizing profits, and trying to squeeze every last dollar they can out of their buyers.

People either buy shit or they don't. The people on the SD site seem to think that they are protecting the fucking interwebs or some shit. All they are really doing is showing how bitter that they are over the fact that they don't make any bank. One thing that they are dead on about, and something that will at some point come back and bite the "syndicate" in the ass is the price fixing shit. I've listened to a couple of audios over there where they talk about things in a way that can probably be construed as some sort of criminal enterprise. I definitely wouldn't be surprised to someday see them brought up on some sort of charges.

How can you knock their hustle though? They make shit and sell it, it's up to the people that buy it to decide whether it is good shit, or bad shit. If it's bad, the last I heard, all of those ball bags offer money back guarantees, and are probably quick as shit to issue them just to keep any of that "Joe Guru won't refund me my $97" shit to a minimum.

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Soupyone

I never heard of the salty droid until this thread and one thing comes to mind: broke critics.

Don't hate the players, hate the game.

dodgy

Winner...ROFL...

bizzykehl

If you have bizopp emails shoot me a pm

wezcountry

you can't blame them for selling to people who will buy, but the cynicism you can hear in these calls just makes me wanna puke.

FTC-Hater

Videos above about picking up girls were all part of a video where he explained how he launched a PUA course with his friend.

Think it did something like 4 or 14 million. Forget which one.

Regardless it was the biggest ever in the PUA course niche.

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thehobbster

The thing with the pricing is, especially in digital products, there's not some insane manufacturing fee, and the time to create it is usually not drastically different to warrant changing the price from $399 to $4,999. It's all smoke and mirrors BS, feeding into preconceived expectations, etc. Kind of sickening. But then again, I'm just about bitter and resentful enough of people to do that too. The difference is, I haven't done it.

scottspfd82

I don't see anything morally wrong with the price.

$5,000+ for seminars and industry specific training is common. The question would be does the product deliver on the $2k price tag. And that's open to debate (I haven't seen any of their products).

It's not about the cost to create the product. It's about the ROI. I'm not saying this stuff is worth the money, my guess is it's not, but just assuming it's a ripoff because of the price is pretty shallow thinking IMHO.

I've spent 4 figures on training (not IM) that has immediately paid for itself in the past.

-Scott

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