papajohn56

Gary Johnson 2012

Republican (strong libertarian leaning) former New Mexico governor.

* Left office with New Mexico as on of the only four states in the country with a balanced budget
* Left New Mexico with a budget surplus
* Used Line Item Veto thousands of times to trim the budget
* Vetoed 750 bills during his time in office; more than all other governors combined
* Cut over 1,200 government jobs without firing anyone
* Created more than 20,000 new jobs
* First New Mexico Governor to challenge education status quo and propose statewide voucher program
* Resorted State General Fund reserves to more than $222 million from a low of $28.1 million
* Limited annual state budget growth to 5.0% during eight years in office
* Cut taxes 14 times while never raising them—a first for New Mexico
* Vetoed 32% of the total number of bills submitted for his signature
* Wants to legalize Marijuana (openly)
* Against the foreign wars

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His 8 years as Gov of NM back his statements up. He's a divorced parent, an athlete (frequently does triathlons, and climbed Mount buttfucking Everest even), and a Businessman:

While in college, Johnson earned money as a door-to-door handyman.[9] His success in that arena encouraged him to start his own business, Big J Enterprises, which was founded in 1976. When he started the business, Johnson was its only employee.[13] His major break with the firm was receiving a large contract from Intel's expansion in Rio Rancho, which increased Big J's revenue to $38million.[11] Over-stretched by his success, Johnson enrolled in a time management course at night school, which made him heavily goal-driven.[11] He eventually grew Big J into a multi-million dollar corporation with over 1000 employees.[14] By the time he sold the company, in 1999, it was one of New Mexico's leading construction companies

He has experience, is a strong Ron Paul supporter, 58 years old and doesn't have the "kook" label by the national GOP.

He was able to win two terms as governor of New Mexico (term limited) as a Republican...in a state that is 2/3 registered Democrat.

How about his "controversial" stances?

- Abortion: Pro choice, not a federal matter.
- Gay marriage: The government should not regulate marriage, only allow for civil union for contract purposes between anyone who wants to engage (straight couple, gay couple, whatever). Marriage should be left to the churches/temples/synagogues/mosques/whatever.

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papajohn56

He's also not a religious nut, and isn't trying to cater just to them:

Q: You don’t attend church and you’ve said in the past that Jesus is a “historical figure.” How do you plan on appealing to social conservatives?

GJ: Well, actually, I believe in God… And at a minimum Jesus was a great historical figure – at minimum at great role model – at minimum. I don’t know that anybody who votes on social issues – that I got any of those votes in my primaries in New Mexico. I think I got them all in the general election. But I don’t think I got them in the primary. And so I’m not doing anything to alienate those social conservatives, but I probably won’t get their vote – not in the primary.

Q&A: Gary Johnson Embarks on “One of Humankind

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papajohn56

Oh...and he built his own business from the ground up - not inherited.

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barman

and regarding health care?

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potentialeight

I'm not heavily into politics, but I like this one. He actually sounds like a damn republican is supposed to.

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Eldarion

Sounds good, I'll take it.

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-joe-

Sounds good - but there must be a sting in the tail somewhere? Too good to be true?

Convicted child molester?
Creationist?
Puppy-murderer?

Moxie

He also doesn't think wikileaks should be prosecuted, but he does wish they wouldn't give out names of informants and such.

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"He's gonna take away our prescriptions, kill the babies, let the homos marry, legalize the dope, let Osama kill us, and he doesn't even go to church!"

Yeah, I don't think he's winning the Republican primary, but he'll make the debates interesting like Ron Paul did last time. If Paul runs again, the debates will be even more interesting as he won't be the lone dissident on certain issues.

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gseki

^ This. He's probably gay or born in Kenya.

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charlesmartel

What about illegal immigration?

papajohn56

Says you have to address the root cause, which is social programs and taxation - that's really the only reason immigration is a problem anyway. He's a free trade and more open borders kind of guy.

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charlesmartel

That's unfortunate. Open borders, open fire!

papajohn56

Not really. If you get rid of the cartel mess and reform entitlements, then it's not a problem.

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charlesmartel

Well, I don't want to live in a Third World country. Considering that about 90% of the planet wants to come here, we'll be a Third World country in no time. (We're already well on our way.) Germans create Germanys, Italians create Italys, Mexicans create Mexicos and Indians create Indias. Even bums here have a pretty decent standard of living compared to people in a lot of countries. Removing welfare would lessen the desire but it would still be there.

papajohn56

Everyone already comes here anyway like it or not. Reagan granted amnesty to millions.

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tx2okc

I am a huge fan of GJ and have been for a long time. But, do you guys think he has a chance to win in the primaries?

papajohn56

If we start the footwork for him now, then he has a chance.

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tx2okc

True. I have found it interesting that even some of my friends who were big fans of Obama like him. Now if we can just get him on the ticket!

kingfish

I like him but i'm afraid the pot issue may fuck him over

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charlesmartel

That's true but that doesn't mean we should welcome more. If I wanted to live in a Third World country, I'd move there. I don't want one moving here.

33mo23

If you are serious about Gary Johnson or any candidate, DONATE! The most important factor that will help get Gary Johnson or any candidate on the ticket is money. The OP Link to GaryJohnson2010.com has a DONATE button. If you like him and are serious about him, Don't just praise him, Donate to his campaign.

Rexibit

What do they use that money for? Most just hold it in their coffers and spend it on parties to raise funds later. Like Obama's campaign, it'll come down to using Internet Marketers to spread the word. Why let them dictate how much should be invested into Internet Marketing or the strategy of doing so?

Go use your own discretion and give your services for free. After all, you're more knowledgable about it (assuming you don't sit and read about it every day) than his campaign manager.

I've been saying this for awhile: if we got a bunch of us together and just donated a little of our own knowledge and resources, we could push someone into the spotlight to win.

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lukep

Sounds great to me and I'm not a republican.

Sadly, he doesn't sound at all like the kind of guy that GE, Ford, Merc, P&G, ADM, WalMart, and the other top Corporations would want in the white house.

That gives him EXACTLY 0% chance at it.

-You may think that your votes may count or some stupid shit like that, or that social media was a major factor in getting obama elected... But the truth is that corporations just want you to think these things, and their war chest to make it happen is the only determining factor for anything political that happens in this country.

Wanna get someone elected? Get them inbetween two different Corporations somehow: Let one corporation's money, or the money of a whole corporate sector fight the other and that should level the playing field a bit.

Then votes may temporarily count for something.

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-joe-

Anyone up for joining together to give him a little help? Like the plan was with Ron Paul earlier this year?

Instrumentalist

This guy looks promising.

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-joe-

Fuck it, I just registered a domain to group together to try and help his campaign. Remember, even if he doesn't win this one, I'm sure we can get him known enough to have a shot at ones down the line.


Pm me if you're interested in helping him out, and I'll give you the site details.

Rexibit

Luke, I don't want to turn this thread into a pissing contest on who's right or wrong, but you're not looking at the root cause for what gets someone elected, "the people".

Yeah, it's easy to say that the corporations can do it because of their connections or money, but that is only a funding source to run someone's campaign on or a network to allow them to talk to someone who can fund them.

The electoral college is what decides if someone gets elected or not, and they have historically gone with the popular vote. The popular vote isn't won by corporations getting in bed with a politician. It's the money that they raise that's put into getting the word out that determines whether or not a candidate's message gets across that does.

Positive and viral messages over social media is what got Obama elected. His supporters talked him up and helped him get noticed. That led to him getting positive press and news coverage on live TV. That snowballed into getting him even more supporters.

Now, how did all those supporters rally and plan their campaigning? Social Media.

Who gets paid to manage social media, make viral videos, etc. for political candidates? We do, not some corporation's money and connections alone.

Don't write people off saying that "the man" decides who gets elected or not.

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In fact, screw it about it being a PM thing. GaryJohnsonPOTUS .info .

I'd edit my last post, but it's past 10 minutes. Sign up with your wickedfire username, cause you've got to be manually approved, to stop xrumer bullshit.

lukep

I apologize for shitting on this thread with my pessimism. While I don't agree with anything you've said here at all, I would like for you all to continue to support this candidate because he sounds like someone whom we all could be proud of voting for... And there is something good to be said about voting your heart. It's therapeutic, so I'd guess.

In this case I won't speak loudly about it, but I am quite sure that corporations are the only ones to decide who gets elected. Everyone who doesn't believe so is simply uniformed or one of the sheeple.

But again, vote your heart. It's good for you. It's not like you could stop the corporations for picking their guy anyway.

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jeffrey

I agree with you of many things but this statement is just wrong.

lukep

^Let's take it to PM and stop re-routing their thread, ok? Sending PM to you in a minute.

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REIMktg

Sounds like a bulshit politician to thus far....

The immigration answer is a dodge and is bullshit.

The Jesus answer is more pathetic than what Obama wrote in his book.

Does this guy answer anything straight?

As for success in NM - with a population of 2 million he is qualified to be mayor of 1/2 of Los Angeles. or maybe Riverside County California.

Does he get better than this or how many other BS wishy washy answers does he have.


His website says he created 20,000 new jobs - how did he do that? Government does not create jobs unless they are hiring - the private sector creates jobs. Just the fact he has that on his site shows he is unclear on ideological issues

lukep

OOOPS. He said legalize it... No mistaking it; he went on and on about legalizing pot.

This film has fucked 'ol Gary hard. Right in the ass. We won't be hearing about him ever again after the primaries, guaranteed. (Unless it's an assasination.)

The day this was filmed was the very day that about 5 or 10 top execs all wearing $50,000 suits got together and said: "Destroy this man with maximum prejudice."

They are the CEOs of the private corporations which run our very profitable prisons and of course the accompanying security industry that supports it.

They control tens or even Hundreds of Billions of dollars that Gary just said we should take away from them.

Toast. Burnt Toast.


EDIT: So if you guys are sure you want to start a social media firestorm and get him elected; well, you're just going to get blood on your hands at best.

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Eldarion

Damn dude you're even more pessimistic than I am.

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lukep

^Yeah, I have a problem. I can admit it to myself but I just can't seem to stfu.

Perhaps a temp ban would help? ;P

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Magic Hat

lukep, calm the fuck down dude.

This guy seems too good to be true. I feel like he's too close to the middle to get elected, though. You really need to pander to those extremists- left or right. Unless he can convince people to get off their asses and register to vote (and then actually vote), he's not going to attract far right or far left votes, unfortunately.

If he makes it, I'd vote for him just based off of what I've read so far.

Also, REIMktg, what do you want him to say re: Jesus stuff? Not really a smart idea to say "Jesus story was BS" or "God doesn't exist"... like it or not, he has to walk the line like all politicians do.

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REIMktg

I did a little research now and have to say that I like him more now than my initial reaction. Not perfect, but no one is.

@MagicHat on the Jesus issue. I read, re-read, and thought about his comments. There are those that said he "smirked and winked" when he said it. If that is true and it is on camera then there is a problem. But if they ask him that he said Jesus was a historical figure - he should just say that, "He was, who can argue with that. Look, I believe in God." and leave it at that. Christians will hear him to be saying that Jesus is God. He should comment no further.

From his ouramericainitiative website and Reason interview

His immigration stance is for 2 year amnesty. He is screwed if he thinks the anti-illegal immigration crowd will take that without first securing the borders. The anti-illegal immigration crowd can swallow amnesty, but they will not be lied to again about accepting amnesty without control. Plus there is a huge issue that pisses me off beyond belief that these illegals can commit rampant Identity theft without consequence whereas if a citizen does it they go to jail.

Illegal immigration is also a rule of law issue. Not to mention as others have earlier, open borders as he advocates, will bring down standard of living and wages in the US.


From his website:
"America needs to be a land with a clean environment. We support clean-air and clean-water action and believe in conservationism. The Initiative does not support “cap and trade” policies as they are currently formulated."

WTF? "action" WTF?


His claim to fame is cutting non education Government employees from 13,000 to 12,000. He should avoid making claims that make him look like a low level manager of a corporation - I mean all he had is 13,000 employees? who hasn't made cuts like that? Puts him in the ranks of a low level Fortune 500 exec.

He states in his video with a smirk that he is (I know he has changed since) a 501C4 and cannot state he is running for president. And then he smirks and makes fun of that - Stuff like that does not play well. He is a libertarian using tax code protection and then joking about skirting the qualification?

He states as a quote:"The fewer laws the more orderly society is" ---> really?

from previous posts:

He does not think wikileaks should be prosecuted as a poster earlier said? WTF. Wiki leaks directly caused people to die. Leak your shit, but if you do so, you better understand the ramification. People straight up were killed from wikileaks actions. And wikileaks does not have a rule of law leg to stand on.

Once again from an earlier post: immigration "the root cause, which is social programs and taxation". That's bullshit.

DrewClement

The biggest "tidbit" I got from this thread had nothing to do with Gary Johnson himself,

But more to do with how much of an influence PapaJohn has on the youth of today....

sigh

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papajohn56

explain?

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lukep

^I believe he's calling us forum-folk kiddies and you, as the started of this thread, some kind of campaign micro-manager for GJ. -As if you have convinced us all so well that we'll all show up next November voting for him, just from this one thread.

Hey Drew; Don't you know that if you speak to our glorious leader like that we'll form a massive party and hunt you down by daybreak?? Victoria isn't that far from a lot of us kiddies... Most of us took our training wheels off last year!

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review copy please?

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DrewClement

Not even close to what I was getting at.......and can you explain how someone like yourself who has been so pessimistic and doesnt even believe that his vote will count could become a micro manager for a GJ campaign?

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lukep

Ah, good. Now WTF did you mean?

BTW, "you" = PJ, not me.

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DrewClement

I guess it was a "joke" that was misconstrued...seeing as you nor LukeP got what I was getting at.

I was simply having some fun, no harm intended, at the fact that a kid barely old enough to vote (if he is even old enough to vote, Im not sure on that one) from the UK (not even the US) that has been voted for multiple times in the ban thread.....

has now purchased a domain, called on all of WickedFire, and tried to become the ring-leader for a Gary Johnson campaign.

All thanks to a single thread....about a guy he most likely has never heard of or knew existed before today.

It is a bit humorous isnt it? Or is it just me?

No hate towards GJ, no hate towards Big Poppa either. Id probably vote for GJ if I was american myself.

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mgtarheels

Right there with you...

papajohn56

no worries, I wasn't offended or anything I just had no idea what you meant. and it is funny

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DrewClement

Phewf.

My bad for not explaining well enough, just spent the day with family for Easter so maybe Im tired, ticked off, and maybe I was just trying to have a little too much "couth"

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