FrugalCopywrite

Gary Taubes? GTFO....

Calories nearly irrelevant?

You seriously think someone who has a significant amount of bodyfat (>10-12%) has to really worry about insulin? GI?

Have you ever noticed that all these people (the authors - Tim Ferriss, Gary Taubes, etc) are just journalists and writers, really know nothing about nutrition and look like crap? They have probably never been lean in their life...

These guys are worse than the Acai advertisements people buy into.

"Being fat is not your fault, its all your genes, you don't need exercise or to cut down on the amount of food you eat to lose fat, just follow these three little tips and you will have a six pack in no time etc. Just buy my book and i'll show you how..."

These kind of statements sound familiar...

Truth of the matter is, most people are 1) Retarded when it comes to nutrition 2) Can't keep their mouth shut and stop eating and 3) Looking for the easy way out.

Eddiet90

This is the way to do it . Put on serious muscle from a routine similar to this.

Eddiet90

Also look into the Keto diet.

jamesc32

You sir, are an idiot.

Ferriss has done his own experiments, completely documented them, had medical supervision while doing so and is in great shape compared to most people.

You want to preach, but truth is, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

FrugalCopywrite

Maybe if you do a little research and focus your energy on reading the work of people who actually have a clue what they are talking about...

(For example, Alan Aragon, Lyle Mcdonald, people who actually train athletes and people who look good. etc...) Since Ferriss works only four hours per week and works out even less, he should have a ton of time to start training athletes and bodybuilders to defy human physiology on a daily basis.

You would see that you are the one who has no idea.

Ferriss for example...

From Geek to Freak: How I Gained 34 lbs. of Muscle in 4 Weeks

34 lbs of muscle in 4 weeks. He must know what he is talking about, right?

Or maybe not.

Considering that even if a newbie lifter took massive amounts of steroids, ate a perfect diet, and their training was on point, they would have a huge amount of trouble gaining even half that muscle mass. A pound of muscle per day is a whole lot...

BUT WAIT, IT GETS BETTER - He only did it with FOUR HOURS OF GYM TIME!

Get real.

Tim Ferriss = 4 Hour Fail...


People who know what they are talking about help their clients look like this...(Martin Berkhan - Leangains Client)


Edit: ^ That is not Martin, that is one of his clients. The way I worded the caption may have made it seem otherwise.

jamesc32

You didn't prove a point at all. You're trying to compare 2 completely different end goals, and you didn't make any points as to why Tim doing what he did was invalid. In fact it wasn't invalid at all, but well documented.

Once again. You sir, are an idiot.

FrugalCopywrite

Well, what Tim did was starve himself for a stupid tango contest, probably took his before stats and images carb depleted, worked out a bit, carb loaded, got a tan, shaved his chest and took his after pictures pumped up.

Documentation? Lets see some before and after Dexa scans. They would probably have to clean the doctors gizz of the printouts, though, seeing as they would probably blow their loads when someone gained 34 lbs of muscle in a month...

If you think 34 lbs of muscle and 3 lbs of fat loss in a month is reasonable (even on steroids), then all I have to say is...

You sir, are an idiot...

johnmatrix

I'm skinny as fuck as it is and never worried about what I ate, although I still thought about my health. Nevertheless, I am now trying to follow the 'anticancer' diet from the book Anticancer. When the statistics say 1 in 2 will get cancer by age 85, it's a very real threat.

Pretty much all I eat on a daily basis is:

- wholemeal toast
- matcha green tea. it's a powder made from grinding fresh tea leaves into oblivion, studies indicate 1 cup of matcha green tea is equivalent to 10 cups of loose leaf green tea, probably because you're actually ingesting the leaves when you drink it and not just the liquid.
- toasted wholemeal sandwich with sliced turkey, beetroot, tomato and a small amount of cheese.
- matcha green tea
- maybe some fruit
- matcha green tea
- dinner is pasta or steak & vegies or rice with chicken or casserole etc
- matcha green tea
- snack, walnuts or macadamias, rice crackers...
- matcha green tea

I never add sugar to anything, never eat sugary foods, never add butter to bread, never eat fried foods, never eat soft drinks, never have mixed alcoholic drinks. Studies of Japanese folks that live to 100+ years of age with no serious illness, their wisdom is to only eat until you're 80% full and eat colourful fruit and vegies... and they only have about 1200 calories a day on average. A good sign that caloric restriction works?

fuck this bodybuilding shit, I did it for 2 years (tried i should say), gained about 10kg, lost it all again and don't plan on going back to it... it's so ridiculous stuffing your face with thousands of calories every day I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I could bench 15kg over my bodyweight and I had only gained about 5kg of muscle. I'll continue lifting as exercise but not for building mass. What's the point? attract a woman? if you can't do it without muscles you're fucked anyway... what other reason is there? impress other men? intimidate other men? when you boil it down that's all it's about. OP just lose the weight and be happy, don't need to worry about the bodybuilding. 2 of my mates have lost 15-20kg each over a few months just by watching what they eat and running, that's all there is to it.

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Grindstone

How do you handle compound/isolation movements on this program. Alternate upper/lower body so like chest/thighs/back/hams/shoulders/calves? Always wondered how to avoid training same body parts, at least supplementary ones, on back to back days on a schedule like this.

Also, for the caloric method/ice cream debate, you can fuel yourself on anything as long as the caloric ratios are there. Case in point, I spent 6 weeks in Spain existing on full fat yogurt, ben and jerrys, tapas (greasy bar food) and guiness stout. Came home with slightly less than 5% bodyfat. Now I watch everything I eat and struggle not to put on weight. The difference? 6-10 hours a day hiking and high intensity rockclimbing versus 10-15 hour days at a computer.

Argue all you want, diet plus consistent exercise is the quickest route to body transformation. Nobody wants to admit that though, because both are hard work.

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b_sun

Have you tried walking? Seriously, you don't need workout P69XXX Elite Carb blaster 90000. Walking, running, swimming, swinging a sledge hammer. If you are just trying to lose weight, tighten up your diet and get off the couch. Don't over complicate it.

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vortex

Do sports that if heartbeat is in between 115-130 bpm not more.

Do sports at least 90 mins or more as the first 30 mins u only burn crabs and no fat.

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eliquid

^^ QFT

All you guys saying "i did this and it worked for me" = congrats to you

Everyone else not saying this and spouting off "you need to do xyz" = fuck off

Weight Loss/Bulking Up = Same as Internet marketing.

What I am talking about above is this. As with affiliate marketing, if your not split testing, then your a failure and will get lousy results. If your not split testing what you need to be doing to bulk up and lose weight, then your gonna fail. Just like with SEO and Serps/Your body, every serp is different. What it takes to rank for buy viagra will be different then what it takes to rank for payday loans.

Every person's body/health/genetics is different and will react differently to different programs. Eating less calories works for some people, others it doesnt, eating less carbs works for some, but not others.

You need to be testing and proactively looking at what is working for you and tweak it. There is a reason why certain bodybuilders "create" their own arm curl exercises and routines that no one else is doing, same thing with diets.

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johnmatrix

On the other hand... Better a sprint than a marathon: Brief intense exercise better than endurance training for preventing cardiovascular disease

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bizzykehl

stop listening to these idiots and go play some pickup basketball games down at the Y. If you're portly you're not gonna get any benefit from doing a bunch of specific toning exercises with weights and X vs Y brand of protein, creatine, or other product that also doubles as a cock enhancer. What you need to do is get on a regular schedule of actually getting off your ass and going to the gym to play hoops or kick the soccer ball off the wall or whatever... and just do some cardio. Once you're in a regular schedule your body will crave regular exercise and that's the hardest part- keeping a schedule. 99% of the ppl in here talk all this shit about what's the best supplement, chest-bi's-tri's on M/W/F or T/Th? etc- but in reality they go down to the gym for 2 weeks then give up and that's why most people fail. I'm guilty of it myself, lately- but I can say that for a solid 3 years I went to the gym on a regular schedule 3 days a week and never felt better... and I started out just by playing pickup soccer/basketball games and getting into that regimen. The easiest way to 'trick' your body into getting exercise... play games.

EricVonDoobie

No idea if this was posted already and I'm too fucking lazy to check but you should DEFINITELY read this form top to bottom, it covers everything you need:

Beginner's Health and Fitness Guide

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jamesc32

If you're not willing to do your research on the facts then stop making the argument that what he was able to accomplish is not legitimate.

What you quoted was a muscle and weight gain experiment he did.

You have not in any way explored his weight loss findings from his current book, from which MANY people have been changing their bodies for the better and faster than ever thought possible before.

You want to use what you believe is "correct" knowledge, but you fail to properly explore or discredit the alternative.

There are more ways to losing weight and gaining weight than you seem to believe are possible, and you refuse to open your eyes to anything past what your own limited experience tells you.

For not properly addressing the argument at hand, which is weight loss methods and for refusing to properly explore the alternative methods that you are so adamant about putting down, you have won the award of IDIOT once again.

freshmorning

Right ,
Definitely Enough,

FrugalCopywrite

I am not really going to continue arguing my points with you, because we are just going around in circles.

Why did I bring up that piece I quoted on him. (The muscle gain thing) Because it makes it clear that he has no idea what he is talking about. Tim Ferriss is a charlatan to the nth degree and everyone with a brain larger than a pea knows it.

If he is so off base and "hypey" on something like that, all of his other stuff must be legitimate, right? After all, he is such a specialist in this area, right? People who aren't fat sacks of crap and actually know what it takes to get and stay lean (hard work and persistence) are beating down his door praising him for his work, right?

Why should we believe people who actually work with elite athletes and people who actually have a clue what they are talking about?

After all, this guy wrote a book between tango lessons that not only includes how you can lose weight faster than anyone ever thought possible, but also improve your sex live and reverse permanent injuries. If that wasn't enough, he found it important to write how he learned to swim effortlessly in 10 days.

If you truly believe the crap he says and defend it so vehemently, there is little hope for you in life. You can't believe everything you read, no matter how good it makes you feel...

Now, if you can address any specific concerns you have or state a specific argument against what I have just said, then I will address it. But, if you just make statements like "You are an idiot" and "I am ignoring alternatives", I really have nothing else to say on this issue.

At the end of the day, you have just been had by another Charlatan. You just can't handle it...

jamesc32

Again man. You proved absolutely nothing.

I don't disagree that there are plenty of athletes and nutritionists and others who have one way of making things work, but there are many ways.

You bring things into the equation like, Charlatan, but you fail to properly back up your argument.

That is why you are an idiot.

I can handle it, it isn't a problem. I've played sports all my life, and at an elite level. However, I'm mind isn't closed to the possibilities of the human body and our ability to drastically change our body composition through various means. You clearly have closed your mind to these possibilities.

You still haven't come up with ANY valid points as to why the things he has been able to accomplish aren't actually true. Why? Because if you did your research, you would find that he did actually do these things, and people who have followed the instructions set out by him, have also accomplished very similar results.

Your argument would be invalid, but unfortunately, you haven't made one.

You have made assumptions about the topic, you have made assumptions about my knowledge which are wholly incorrect and you have failed to prove whatever point you were attempting to make.

FrugalCopywrite

Did you not read what I posted about his "Muscle Gain" experiment? If you really think that is the truth, well you are severely misinformed.

All these people who have accomplished results with what he preaches - where are they? I haven't seen anyone.

FrugalCopywrite

What? That Ferris is a Charlatan? I don't have to prove that - his work does it for me...

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jamesc32

Yet again, because you haven't done your proper research.

Google is your friend. There are whole communities dedicated to his style of body hacking.

jamesc32

Clearly I should have listened to my senses and not argued with a troll.

My bad. We all fall into that trap every now and then. Oh well, at least it isn't as bad as that racist thread going on.

jamesc32

/Thread participation for me, because my point has been made.


Idiot still insists on argument that has no merit or backing below this post. Nice.
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FrugalCopywrite

Tim Ferriss Body Hacking = Fail

Hard Work and Persistence = Win

I'm done here too.

TFLNetwork

HIIT

That is all.

in b4 FrugalCopywrite posts again

papajohn56

With what kind of diet?

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tomaszjot

^^ this

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MikevanderHeijd

When I originally needed to drop about 25-30kg.. my diet consisted of oatmeal in the morning, Synth6 choc shake snack, chicken/salmon salad for lunch (no dressing, croutons etc.) Synth6 choc shake snack, steak/fish/chicken + green veggies for dinnner, VPX before bed.

Didn't do any heavy lifting, did 5 1 hour sessions of high intensity training at the gym a week, instead of benchpressing max weight, i would take 1/4th and instead of doing 12 reps I would do 30-40.. 15-30second breaks.

GoogleSearchSux

I'm trying Tim's Geek to Freak and yeah no way can you gain that much muscle. However, I'm pretty shocked in the improvements and strength gain with how little I actually go to the gym.

I always had a problem with actually goin to the gym so having to only go one or twice a week and still seeing good gains is a game change for me.

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BluAffiliate

Man I was going to wreck FrugalCopywrite after I was done taking my nap but it seems he's done it to himself by keeping that big mouth running. Peace.

leadsupplier

p90X is good, the cardio part especially. it will push you and you will lose weight

you gotta eat god as well. don't worry so much about what your eating, but limit your portion sizes

have 6 equally portioned meals a day, like appetizer size, and make sure theres a lot of protein in them and carbs in the earlier part of the day. you will lose weight

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Mahzkrieg

Buying shit to change your life just satisfies an emotional fixation to feel like you're productive so you can postpone the dreaded real work that changing your life entails.

It's the reason why the dietbook industry is worth billions. It's the same reason my mother has dozens of diet books but has weighed the same since my childhood.

1) Stop eating bullshit. If you get too rigid with your diet, you'll probably relapse, so I wouldn't worry about calorie counting and I don't know why people recommend that. As if you're going to have a hard time getting to the bottom of where exactly your extra calories are coming from. I'd wager that it's pretty fucking obvious. Sounds like an easy way to burn out at the start.

2) Just do it. Go to the gym and get started. Don't buy shit. And don't look for some master workout plan because you first need to develop a routine for even going to the gym and an actual commitment so this doesn't just turn into a transient phase like it does for 90% of the rest of the western human population that parades around a newfound motivation to change and burns all their energy up riding the float, never even doing anything.

Do full body workouts. Find the basic exercises for the main muscle groups of the body and write them down. Go to the gym and work. The only thing I'd track maybe is the amounts you lift, but I wouldn't do that til you actually have a routine and a raging clue of what you're actually doing in the gym.

Come tango with the forum's armchair health experts once you're plateau'd and are looking for marginal gains because you have ways to go before even going to the gym just to slap your belly fat for 30 minutes won't produce a net gain.

Lucidity

How about this: from now on, anyone that posts specific fitness advice should be required to post a full body picture of themselves. Especially the ultra dogmatic motherfuckers.

This shit is already a huge ball of confusion without people chiming in about shit they read in a magazine while spilling cheeto dust on their beer gut.

Someone start a thread called "Fit people: what do you do to get / stay lean". That might actually be useful.

couldbe

Persisted in running every morning

Mahzkrieg

You see, what you really need to do is switch to sugarless gum.

jenzkc

that's how a question on this topic always turns out. it's pointless to give fitness advice to people when a bunch of retards think they're experts. fuck it, just do p90x like all the other morons who finish it and think they're the next mike tyson or brock lesnar. i don't know why you all wnat to get ripepd with like 5% bodyfat. i've fucked plenty of hot chicks without having to look like that. i like drinking beer and eating pancakes. i'd rather just be strong and not give a shit about whether i can see my abs or not. p90x won't get you strong btw (i don't care how many pullups you can do).

papajohn56

there's that, but you really have to find your own workout. different body, different goals, etc etc.

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@yourservice

Yes, avoid fat especially at dinner, that would reduce the accumulation and workout everyday without miss.

kingscotty38

Good shit,

This is what a real routine looks like and should be type of shit you need aspire to. Not the exact workout of course, but something suited to your needs and goals, there is no magical program which exists out there, if you aren't training to your personal needs you aren't training at all or training to a very limited potential. Fuck all that G99BX, hip-hop abs bullshit sold on Clickbank, find something that works, simple and actually do it.

Sit down with a personal trainer or somebody with experience, discuss your situation, hit up forums (not gay webmaster forums) etc. for good advice, take the advice and take action.

And to all the people who think free weights are purely for bulking, your a stupid fuck and/or probably a fat turd. Free weights are basically the only way to go when it comes to lifting. You can be lean, mean and very strong without touching one of those bullshit machines in your life.

You need to log your progress follow the routine, and eat clean. Simple as that. No need to over-complicate.

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