engaged

I was listening to this dumbass podcast of these two geniuses and some other dumbass brits talking about arbi. Can people please stop listening to people who have no clue about arbi talk like they know???

Guess what, toseeka & truelocal and a lot of other HUGE arbi guys were told to stop adwords...

the biggest of big arbi guys were banned on adsense a while ago (save a few people like 5-top-sites).

These 2 people, just from listening, clearly have no clue about arbi and talk a big game, but think 70k/mo is good revenue for arbi. Fucking joke and I'm sick of people thinking these idiots know anything b/c they have a fucking radio show.

Guess what, if you can only make 70k/mo doing arbi, you aren't trying.

So in summary, stop listening to these idiots when they clearly have no clue what theyre talking about, namely shoemoney & jensense.

jened

you making so much money then why you trying to hit dru up for $5 the other day?

engaged

dru's a bitch... he's like mini shoemoney, but with 1/1000 of the referrals... i was just joking around though b/c he's ungrateful. also, been banned by adsense for a while.

JamesH

Interesting observation. However I believe that Shoemoney said he attempted arbi before, so that automatically makes him a guru

I only take what I read or hear online with a grain of salt, and actually try the shit out. Thats the only way to do it. A lot of people talk out of there ass and that shit really pisses me off.

kaveman

preach it brotha, boo the shoe

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Concept

Dru is a whiny, know-it-all little bitch.

Dar

hahaha, I'm laughing at you not with you.

You obviously were not part of an inside joke. I guess nobody likes you.

jened

who the fuck is this kid? and obviously my joke went over your head. where's kaveman who really gets my sense of humor when i need him?

trigatch4

Your sig... " I AM NOT A HOMOSEXUAL!"

Sounds like a blatant lie.

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Dar

I'll make a exception only for you!

Dar

BTW,

Engaged talked about a way to get $5 for signing up for auctionads and getting $5 for signing up thru the earners forum and now there is a 10 day challenge thing you get paid $5 for. The minimum payout is $10.

THERE! I helped everyone make $10!

kyleirwin

when did dru get all big headed? last i herd he had a personal record setting day of $130!

kaveman

when he heard lemonaden joined

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CLKeenan

Hahaha- i got a good laugh out of that

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A-D

Who were the big arbi guys you said got banned?

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This is not a form of promotion.. but WickedFire has some of the toughest, most hardworking and by far BIGGEST ppc arbitragers in one place than ANY other forum I've ever been to in my life.

Aside for Engaged and a bunch of others, all of the ppc arbitragers I've spoken to were either following the old and sooooo foolishly traceable way of doing it and getting lucky by making bank (but not for very long) but then fucked and banned by everyone, and the ones that tried it once or twice and were suddenly self proclaimed fucking experts at it.

When it comes down to it.. Engaged is definitely the most vocal one about it, and he doesn't even talk about it here all that much. If I were still doing ppc arbitrage, I'd trust what Engaged told me 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x over what Jensense or Shoemoney said. Not because I don't like them or don't trust them, but because his knowledge and experience in it trumps the shit out of those two put together.

Ever notice how the experts who label themselves as experts or who don't EVER admit that they "don't know" the answer but instead come up with some answer that doesn't really answer what was asked or sounds scripted are ALWAYS the ones who never know what the fuck they are talking about... because they aren't experts at it.. they are experts at PRETENDING to know what the fuck they are talking about.

Almost no one ever looks deeper than what they say, instead people act like sheep (and sheep get slaughtered -- Wall Street - Gordon Gekko) and just TRUST what these people say.

People always ask me at conferences and on the phone why I'm "such an angry person". I'm not angry.. I'm just FED UP! I'm fed up with people getting away with this shit for years and years.

I posted a blog post about this yesterday - Experts my ass..

Maybe one day the masses will wake up from their slumber of dreaming and actually see the light, and see that these fucking "experts" are anything but.

If they are such fucking experts why are they making a business of talking about it instead of DOING IT, and showing something for it.

Jensense always has a fucking opinion for everything, and most of the time, it's about retarded stuff that she clearly has no clue in. BUT in her defense, she does know about SEO/SEM and she does get access to news that most of us would just read about in a magazine.

What exactly does she do for a living? Oh yeah... a CONSULTANT. Fucking consultants = failures at what they are "experts" in. They failed so miserably at DOING it that all they can do now is TALK about it. That's why I was a consultant for a few months, after realizing "what the fuck, why am I not doing this myself, it's so much more fun, easier, and makes me a ton more cash".

Not all consultants are failures.. but for the most part 95% of them are, and in the SEO/SEM community there is NO end of them.

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The masses will never see this post unfortunately.. Because they are all busy gathering the table scraps from people who don't have a shred of originality or experience in it. They also think we are full of shit because we are so up front about stuff like this and bash their idols.

Fuck them.

Less competition if they want to continue being in a trance of stupidity.

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kaveman

wow Jon saying good things about engaged, i heard it was cold in hell today...but daaamn not that cold. Engaged is Mr. Arbi though

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DruSam

everyone, i will say the head of my penis is huge.

engaged has some very serious black penis envy.

ShoeMoney

Ya this thread is hilarious... this place is hilarious... Engaged master of all arbitrage who begged andrea to come to the elite retreat for 500$ cause that was all he could afford then I was like fuck that loser... whats up now?

Jon - you call me all the time you drop my name to people constantly in the industry like we know eachother and out the other side of your mouth you take swings... Also funny how you now respect engaged when last we talked you said you hated him and wanted his address and shit or did already switch sides.

I have met more shit talking fake bullshitting people on this forum then anywhere ever. Dru sam you were cool in person and brandon was cool too. And jon you wonder why I never link to you fuck you dude.

You guys calling David Naylor and Mikkel DeMib dumbass brits... HAH!

Whatever peace........

JamesH

Unless either you or Jon has proof about the accusations you've made against each other I suggest you shut the hell up. Oh wait, its so easy to forge fake shit online, so in actually there isn't any definitive proof. So now what? We can't really see each others facial expressions, so its not like we can read your emotions. I see this confrontation going nowhere.

I_like_cock

Monkey, don't leave yet... I never got to say thanks to you for you giving me the WF identity I have today!

ILC

Dar

No talent ass clown.

ShoeMoney

hey any of the admins could change it back at any time for you... ohh thats right no they cant =P

I_like_cock

<threadcrap>Now why would I want them to do a stupid thing like that</threadcrap>

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geekcognito

Wow. What a waste of everyone's time. Are you little girls done tiffing yet or am I going to have to separate you so you don't muss up your dresses?


Industry experts or no, at least provide each other with some professional courtesy. Or don't. I don't care.

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engaged

um i never said thats what i could afford, i said thats what id pay... didnt so much beg either, i said id pay $500 to go to ER, bc why the f not, 500 aint too much and its 30 mins away, id like to see if i actually learned anything and guy kawasaki was there...

so she said yah, 500 is cool... but i guess the day beore you got nervous id bash it and didnt want me to go, so whatever, never brought it up again...

i could afford 5k, trust me son, i threw out a number and andrea accepted bc the turnout was so low she was just trying to fill seats.

and while we are on the topic of andrea, who was nice enough to drive her from hotel to hotel, took her out to lunch... not you, her brother... that was me. your fucking welcome for delivering andrea to san francisco, otherwise she may still be stuck in south san francisco.

theres the truth.

engaged

also add, i dont care what shoemoney talks about or what not, but it was clear you aren't big in arbi, very clear... you may know people or whatever i dont give a shit... i dont have a beef with you or whatever, just sick of people believing everything they here...

and lastly, on your blog, you should let people know when you drop affiliate links like keycompete... probably have some 14 yr old who can't afford it trying it out bc you mention it and making you $.

engaged

also last mention, me and jon talked things out a while go, no sense fighting like bitchs when were both little jews

wickedDUDE

I happen to like shoemoney and his radio shows. Jon I also find it funny how you banned engaged in the past, and said some pretty nasty things about him then, and now he is some kind of guru. what are you basing this on? and if youre going to bash the show, at least give specifics as to what you disliked about it.. dont just come on here and start bashing it for no reason.

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Dar

haha, i don't believe you could act that mature. IMPOSSIBLE!

engaged

listen, read the above about me & jon....

i certainly am not a guru... i blow ass at affiliate for sure, won't pretend i do good there...

im ok at some spammy crap...

but im pretty damn good with arbi

engaged

i found the conversation shoe:

PlanetAndrea123: i think you should go to elite retreat
PlanetAndrea123: :P
PlanetAndrea123: i won't tell anyone :-)
engaged84: no thx
engaged84: maybe for $500
engaged84: not 5k
PlanetAndrea123: lol
PlanetAndrea123: i'll see what i can do ;-)


look at me beggggggggg

wickedDUDE

i feel sorry for the suckers that paid $5k

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Jon

Jeremy-

Anytime I voice my opinion and you're involved, I almost always explain that I'm voicing my opinion and that I still consider you a friend in the industry and respect you. Just because we don't see eye to eye on some things doesn't mean that I think you're a fraud or that I dislike you. I know for a fact that we both disagree on a bunch of different topics and things we have done in the past, or things we will continue to do, however wrong, lame or fucked up, but again, I come off as an asshole because I would MUCH rather be upfront, blunt and honest about something or someone that be two faced by lying to them pretending to be someone I'm not and then go behind their back and talk shit.

If you really don't want to be here anymore, then don't come around. If you don't want to link to me, then don't. No one is forcing you Jeremy, and don't for one second go nuts here and pull any kind of shit on me or any members here either. We both have bad tempers, and many times we act first and think later, only to end up apologizing and really regretting it too.

I still consider you a friend in the industry up until you tell me flat out that you don't consider me one. So think about it first, and if you wanna talk to me, by all means, you know how to get in contact with me about it. I have absolutely no problems with you blogging about what a prick I am, or how much of an asshole you think I am, but let's be serious here, I have never once lied to you. I have never taken your ideas like someone else we know. I said I didn't like you long before you came here, then after talking to you I actually did like you and publicly admitted that I misjudged you.

The ball is in your court dude. Whatever you decide, I'll definitely respect it. One of the ONLY reasons why I don't go after some of the things you do or say specifically is because I won't cross that fine line between being a trusted friend and being a coniving fuck. Yeah, I'm definitely not the nicest person to some people, and maybe sometimes I don't know when to shut up or when to not lash out at someone, or when to not joke about something, but if I ever offend you, or go too far, TELL ME. Don't just sit there and say nothing, because if someone did it to me, I'd say something in a flash so that if they do it again, then I know they have no regard or loyalty to be my friend.

I also called you the other day because I wanted to tell you up front that we should join forces, media/news wise, rather than constantly going up against one another, and also to find out if you were upset at anything I may have said in the past, and to get an answer from you about what is okay to talk about and what isn't.

Finally, let me just reaffirm something here.. I give most people the benefit of the doubt at first. Unless they give me reason to not trust them or not like them. Don't think for a second that I can't read someone, the way they act, and shit they say or do behind my back, as if I won't find out. I take that stuff very seriously, and I have no problem whatsoever getting someone back for fucking me over. There are only a few people in the entire industry who I absolutely HATE. Lee Dodd is one of the for fucking me over and just being an absolute scumbag, and Chris Lingle is the second one for lying about having cancer and making me, and others here feel stupid for trusting him. Aside for those two people, I don't hate anyone. I may have not liked Engaged, but I am very willing to forgive and forget just so long as someone is GENUINELY sorry or we can work it out somehow. But those two names mentioned, I could care less about them, and will NEVER say a single good thing about them after fucking me over.

Even if you don't want to be friends Jeremy, what we spoke about in the past remains confidential, unless you make me seem like a fool and try to fuck me over, then we'll have an issue, and unlike anyone else you're used to, I won't go away.

Your choice.

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btw shoe... and jensense and the 2 brits i dont know who you are though...

im just frustrated with everyoe who thinks they think thye know everything... probably didnt mean it to come off that way, it just did...

no beef with any of you, think you're all smart people and probably cool to hang out with, etc. could def leanr a lot from all of you im sure... so there ya have it... i dont really mean what i say... im just a whiny vanilla face

Andrew

I can't even keep track of who hates who or who loves who anymore!!! By the time ASE comes I'm expecting things to be completely switched around again.

Jon

We just didn't get along, and we both annoyed the shit out of one another and talked a lot of shit too.. but that was settled when we both saw that we were being stupid and babies about forum drama. We also realized we were a lot better off as friends or business friends, rather than enemies. Being that he never fucked me over, lied, or cheated me, then I was totally up for making ammends, even after swearing I never would. I was wrong, and he admitted to being wrong too. Water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned.

You can't hold grudges on people as long as they don't do REEEEEALLY fucked up things to you, or about you. So instead of going off and being enemies, we seemed to have a lot of the same business interests and apologized to one another without getting into any awkward convo, and just said "fuck it, water under the bridge" (I think that was the exact words I used, and the convo was no joke all on AIM, not on the phone like we planned, and took a whole 5 mins).

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Oh Fuck, the jews are gather, everyone be warned!!

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kaveman

If it makes you feel any better i dont think your a vanilla face engaged

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Jon

Merged together we both weigh as much as an avg person!

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^^^hahahahahaha, so true

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lv826nv

im sick of taking a shit and there is 1 piece of toilet paper left and your damn hand goes thru it mid wipe, then u goto get up and trip over your pants at your ankles and goto grab the wall only to fall face first on your accident hand

yeahh

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geekcognito

I couldn't help but re-interject in this thread when I saw this. Shoe, you're an inspiration to a LOT of people in this business and there are a hell of a lot of people that hang on your every word as if you were some kind of god. Even I read your blog every once in a while and I'm not a huge fan of industry blogs.

However, if this is true - if you really are endorsing some tool just for the dough and not actually using it then I have to say that's pretty low. I realize that it's no different than Michael Jordon saying that he wears Hanes but how many people are going to waste very much valuable time and money on their fucking underwear? Tools are another thing. People just starting out frequently do so with very little money and so when a big name such as yourself says that something works, people are going to believe it, buy it, and potentially waste their time and effort using it because they simply don't know better.

However, if you actually stand behind it because you've used it, this post is nill. But if you're just hawking some bullshit for a buck then you're no better than any other shyster and scam artist out there.

IMO, the entire premise of paid blog posts have already cheapened the blogging platform exponentially and is the reason that Jon Chow's blog is nothing but a joke, at least to me. You've participated in this practice as well, which made me lose some respect but I'm only one guy so it's no big deal.

I'm not here to start a stink or cast stones but I think that some people's online celebrity status has gone to their heads in such a manner that they are selling out their positive reputation quicker than a prom dress comes off the school whore after a kegger. I'd like some reassurance from you that you actually stand up for the things you get paid to promote.

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A-D

I thought it was just 4 people discussing arbitrage, i never heard any of them say they where experts/gurus or what they were saying was gospel, they were just giving their opinion were they not?
Why are you talking about gurus etc when ive never once even heard Shoemoney or any of them call themselves gurus.

Whats wrong with affiliate urls exactly? Isn't this mainly an affiliate forum why would you complain about aff links? In forum posts maybe since we don't own the forum but aff links on someones own blog??
Lol and Mikkel Demib doesnt' really sound like a British name hes from Denmark

Crazy...you telling me you use and try everything you have ever promoted as an affiliate?

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illusion

You mean in all your days as a spammer, porn dude, affiliate guy, arbi homie, you only seriously hate 2 people in this whole industry and those 2 you only started hating then after the birth of wickedfire? Dayum

Jon

2 that standout like that, yeah. If I put some serious thought into it I can probably come up with more... wooo.. John Lemp from ClickBooth too!

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Engaged, since you are a big player in the arbi game. What thoughts and tips can you provide us smaller guys regarding the recent announcements?

Bear in mind, I don't do single page MFA but non scraped content, TOS compliant, good looking mini sites around niches. It seems at least one other member who is doing the same thing got banned.