Who here actually runs long term content websites? - Page 2 - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum

comatose · 05-26-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by am1r

Sorry, I don't understand. What advantages do you get from 'using' LSI in a site?

Using is not the best word.

Go and do some research.

chatmasta · 05-26-2007, 07:31 PM

Wow, this thread is actually pretty surprising (and very informative). I was under the impression that most people on WickedFire were doing short term affiliate marketing stuff with PPC, or at the very most, building tons of mini sites for the purpose of gaining niche SE traffic.

I'm not taking anything away from that, but there is no doubt that large content sites, especially ones with an active community, are more secure than say a bunch of spam sites.

But here's a question. In terms of building a secure long term income, do you guys (or girls in this thread) recommend focusing on 1-3 large, solid, content sites as opposed to a bunch of niche mini sites?

I guess it all goes back to the "don't put all your eggs in one basket rule." I just wish I had more time, because I want to try everything - arbitrage, PPC AM, niche sites, and large content sites. But I can't do it all. I need to balance my schedule, and while going to school, that is pretty difficult to do.

What advice can you offer on prioritizing your projects? Right now I've got some off the wall ideas I'm going to try, I'm working on a content site, and really want to try PPC affiliate marketing. But I would like to make some niche mini sites too!

How should I prioritize something like that?

am1r · 05-26-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by comatose

Using is not the best word.

Go and do some research.

Thanks for the advice.

I have done research into LSI and that is why I can't see how it is used in this context. As you seem to know something about it, could you or anyone else who believes LSI can help with SEO or content development, just briefly list the benefits they think LSI brings?

comatose · 05-27-2007, 04:12 AM

This isnt a thread about LSI and SEO.
By building sites and writing articles with LSI theory and principles in mind you're sites are going to come off as more authority than those who are using the traditional keyword-targeted article model.
If you researched then you'd know the benefits so obviously you havent researched enough.

am1r · 05-27-2007, 04:38 AM

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By building sites and writing articles with LSI theory and principles in mind you're sites are going to come off as more authority than those who are using the traditional keyword-targeted article model.
If you researched then you'd know the benefits so obviously you havent researched enough.

Yes, maybe I need to do more research.

The reason I asked the question is because I've come across numerous SEO gurus and websites proclaiming the benefits of LSI and promising to be able to use "LSI theory and principles" to create supposedly LSI-friendly websites. However, I doubt half these self-styled gurus touting the Next Big Thing in SEO have ever performed even the most basic of Singular Value Decomposition (SVD) calculations that is a prerequisite to LSI.

The reason this seems like snake oil to me is because a search engine is represented, in LSI terms, by a term-document matrix of many billions of documents. The LSI scores are therfore a function of the co-occurance of terms/keywords in this global corpus. Therefore, the only way in which a person could possibly attain the sort of influence some of these SEO gurus and companies promise would be if they were somehow able to alter the scores of all the other documents in the matrix (unlikely).

I could, of course, be wrong in my understanding of LSI.

Anyway, as you said, this thread isn't about LSI so I'll leave it there

comatose · 05-27-2007, 04:53 AM

Actually most of the "gurus" dont mention LSI and most likely have no idea what it is.
It's the quiet guys who are using this to rake it in and will continue to do so in future. If you choose to ignore it, you're shooting yourself in the foot.

ScottDaMan · 05-27-2007, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chatmasta

But here's a question. In terms of building a secure long term income, do you guys (or girls in this thread) recommend focusing on 1-3 large, solid, content sites as opposed to a bunch of niche mini sites?

I guess it all goes back to the "don't put all your eggs in one basket rule." I just wish I had more time, because I want to try everything - arbitrage, PPC AM, niche sites, and large content sites. But I can't do it all. I need to balance my schedule, and while going to school, that is pretty difficult to do.

I started writing a long detailed answer to this and felt it deserved a new thread all together. Click here and give it a read.

robertdotcom · 05-27-2007, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CLKeenan

So what type of advertising do you run on your content sites? CPM? CPC? CPA?

I only have cpc ..adsense and average like 7-10$ a day with a content site..i have both content sites and some other arbi and AM sites

Aequitas · 05-27-2007, 02:05 PM

Holy crap this post is still going strong, I guess I'll have to put in what I feel about creating my own sites.

I figure why only create a site for a short term, even if its only purpose is to make an affiliate sale I put in the work to get that site ranked for certain keywords for organic traffic, then I put in the work to set up the campaigns and then I put in the work doing offsite SEO and all the other crap involved with building a site.

So here is how I work it, once I build my site, make my sales and get my traffic, eventually the offer I'm promoting will expire, however there are tons of other closely related offers that will do good on that site, all I need to do is change the banners and links to that new offer and the site can continue to make me money for years to come.

Toss up a new article each week or so, stagger them so its not that much of a hassle to continually post and you'll be laughing.

BlondeTM · 05-27-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chatmasta

Wow, this thread is actually pretty surprising (and very informative). I was under the impression that most people on WickedFire were doing short term affiliate marketing stuff with PPC, or at the very most, building tons of mini sites for the purpose of gaining niche SE traffic.

I'm not taking anything away from that, but there is no doubt that large content sites, especially ones with an active community, are more secure than say a bunch of spam sites.

But here's a question. In terms of building a secure long term income, do you guys (or girls in this thread) recommend focusing on 1-3 large, solid, content sites as opposed to a bunch of niche mini sites?

I guess it all goes back to the "don't put all your eggs in one basket rule." I just wish I had more time, because I want to try everything - arbitrage, PPC AM, niche sites, and large content sites. But I can't do it all. I need to balance my schedule, and while going to school, that is pretty difficult to do.

What advice can you offer on prioritizing your projects? Right now I've got some off the wall ideas I'm going to try, I'm working on a content site, and really want to try PPC affiliate marketing. But I would like to make some niche mini sites too!

How should I prioritize something like that?

I only have one content site, it's almost more than I can handle sometimes. It depends on what you put into it. All of my content is original and I'm anal about design. I'm in a very competitive market so if I try to serve up second rate content I won't hold on to users.

It has it's rewards and it's drawbacks. The great thing is that my niche (women's interests) allows me to niche out within the site itself. I put a page up less than a week ago and it's on the first page of google for it's keyword already. The bad thing is, that keeps me putting all my eggs in one basket.

Half the battle of indexing and linking is already done, and to start over again seems incredibly daunting. I am trying to go with a couple of niche mini sites for cash flow but I may be able to accomplish that somewhat within my content site. There are only so many hours in a day though, and content sites require regular updating.

I don't think there is really one great way of doing this. Probaby more than half the people here doing affiliate sites are making more than I am. While long term secure income is great so is paying the bills. I think that's where diversifying comes in and what I'm heading towards.

Deliguy · 05-27-2007, 08:20 PM

Here's a really good article on LSI
Digerati Marketing » Exploiting LSI to rank higher

barman · 05-27-2007, 09:07 PM

just a quick add to deliguy's post... (sorry for the hijack)

Cover Page

Reefer420 · 05-28-2007, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Laura

1. Most people use something like Openads - Home to manage their ad serving. It's free and pretty easy to use. You create zones on your site (which are just spots for ads) and then load up either your banners, or work out invocation for outside networks. This is where you decide what has priority and when to serve what.

2. It's very, very rare that affiliate banner ads do anything as far as conversions. You will likely just be taking up space that could be earning money through CPM advertising. By all means, try it, but I don't know anyone who prefers banner ads (which people rarely interact with - they are more for branding/presence) over text-based ads - either contextually or otherwise.

I answered your PM, too.

Laura

Thanks Laura - lots of help there! So Openads will serve up the ads to your site - similar to how Copeac manages affiliate programs? It would be awesome if I could insert the banner code onto my site as I can the affiliate banners (its how I had my admin banner section designed).

Hope thats the case - if so , CPM is much more towards what I was looking for - I feel pretty dumb I didn't even think of that sort of network during my design phase...

too focused on other things and just went w/ what I knew, aff and adsense!

Tekime · 05-28-2007, 12:14 AM

I run mostly "non-MFA" sites, if that's what you're asking.

Monetize content with PPC, text link sales and promoting my own products.

CleverLdy · 05-28-2007, 12:43 AM

I have about 20 content sites, but that gets way out of hand fast.
Recently sat down and restructured everything...
Now I have about 6 heavy content sites, then the regular blog feeders and whatnot.
Can't WAIT until I have all my ducks in a row so I can relaunch them properly...

Andrew · 05-28-2007, 12:51 AM

Here is my suggestion if you are ready to sink a lot of time and capital into a long term content project: develop a premium domain name or build a brand.

Many content publishers would be destroyed if they lost all of their organic SE traffic. Long term, you do not want to be relying on Google & Yahoo.

halfpc · 05-28-2007, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laura

1. Most people use something like Openads - Home to manage their ad serving.

Laura

well, I didn't so + reps to you for mentioning Openads.
Hopefully it'll even help in protecting one's adsense account, eg: showing the ads only once or twice per IP address so nobody can generate invalid clicks to get you banned..

divine · 05-28-2007, 04:04 PM

Even I have around 50 content sites and planning on more. I plan to put lots of content (related to on what I am already ranking) and buy some links to them. They are doing just okay.

Laura · 05-28-2007, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Reefer420

Thanks Laura - lots of help there! So Openads will serve up the ads to your site - similar to how Copeac manages affiliate programs? It would be awesome if I could insert the banner code onto my site as I can the affiliate banners (its how I had my admin banner section designed).

Yup, it does the ad management. You can do private advertisers, serve affiliate banners, and manage your chain. You can also manage text links. Private advertisers can get a log in so they can check their impressions and click throughs and all that.

(sorry I missed your post before!)

Laura

05-26-2007, 07:31 PM	#52 (permalink)
chatmasta THIS IS NOT ME. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,407 iTrader: (4)	Wow, this thread is actually pretty surprising (and very informative). I was under the impression that most people on WickedFire were doing short term affiliate marketing stuff with PPC, or at the very most, building tons of mini sites for the purpose of gaining niche SE traffic. I'm not taking anything away from that, but there is no doubt that large content sites, especially ones with an active community, are more secure than say a bunch of spam sites. But here's a question. In terms of building a secure long term income, do you guys (or girls in this thread) recommend focusing on 1-3 large, solid, content sites as opposed to a bunch of niche mini sites? I guess it all goes back to the "don't put all your eggs in one basket rule." I just wish I had more time, because I want to try everything - arbitrage, PPC AM, niche sites, and large content sites. But I can't do it all. I need to balance my schedule, and while going to school, that is pretty difficult to do. What advice can you offer on prioritizing your projects? Right now I've got some off the wall ideas I'm going to try, I'm working on a content site, and really want to try PPC affiliate marketing. But I would like to make some niche mini sites too! How should I prioritize something like that? __________________ (All databases/scripts still available, PM me) DATABASES: US Colleges :: WAREZ :: Movie Quotes :: Golf Courses [NOW FREE] FREE TOOL: AdWords City/State Keyword Generator

05-27-2007, 04:12 AM	#54 (permalink)
comatose Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 144 iTrader: (0)	This isnt a thread about LSI and SEO. By building sites and writing articles with LSI theory and principles in mind you're sites are going to come off as more authority than those who are using the traditional keyword-targeted article model. If you researched then you'd know the benefits so obviously you havent researched enough. __________________

05-27-2007, 04:53 AM	#56 (permalink)
comatose Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 144 iTrader: (0)	Actually most of the "gurus" dont mention LSI and most likely have no idea what it is. It's the quiet guys who are using this to rake it in and will continue to do so in future. If you choose to ignore it, you're shooting yourself in the foot. __________________

05-27-2007, 08:20 PM	#61 (permalink)
Deliguy Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,312 iTrader: (6)	Here's a really good article on LSI Digerati Marketing » Exploiting LSI to rank higher __________________ Quit Thinking In Monochrome - Blue Hat SEO Finally An Ad Network That Doesn't Rip You Off! There's no such thing as stupid ideas, only ideas that are too brilliant for a person cursed with common sense to understand.

05-27-2007, 09:07 PM	#62 (permalink)
barman hoodrich Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,761 iTrader: (10)	just a quick add to deliguy's post... (sorry for the hijack) Cover Page __________________ get your ppc on

05-28-2007, 12:14 AM	#64 (permalink)
Tekime Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4 iTrader: (0)	I run mostly "non-MFA" sites, if that's what you're asking. Monetize content with PPC, text link sales and promoting my own products. __________________ phpLinkBid - The #1 bid for position script

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CleverLdy Wickedest WF Woman Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 48 iTrader: (0)	I have about 20 content sites, but that gets way out of hand fast. Recently sat down and restructured everything... Now I have about 6 heavy content sites, then the regular blog feeders and whatnot. Can't WAIT until I have all my ducks in a row so I can relaunch them properly... __________________ How to satisfy a woman: Caress, excite, cuddle, fascinate, spoil, kiss, rub, tease, pamper, console, worship, respect & love. How to satisfy a man: Blow job. Yeah, yeah... I'll think of something to put here soon.

05-28-2007, 12:51 AM	#66 (permalink)
Andrew Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,001 iTrader: (0)	Here is my suggestion if you are ready to sink a lot of time and capital into a long term content project: develop a premium domain name or build a brand. Many content publishers would be destroyed if they lost all of their organic SE traffic. Long term, you do not want to be relying on Google & Yahoo.

05-28-2007, 04:04 PM	#68 (permalink)
divine Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 59 iTrader: (1)	Even I have around 50 content sites and planning on more. I plan to put lots of content (related to on what I am already ranking) and buy some links to them. They are doing just okay. __________________