500WA

I agree with you.

Exercise is pretty much essential for maintaining weight loss. For example, the National Weight Control Registry, which tracks over 5,000 individuals who have lost significant amounts of weight and kept it off for long periods of time, found that "94% increased their physical activity."

What I disagree with is all the misinformation that frames exercise as an absolute requirement for initial weight loss.

Grindstone

I rolled the slow carb diet (after reading a thread on here that turned into a tardfest regarding 4 hour body) for about 45 days, went from 210 to 202, then swapped it out with slow carb for dinner but 45gram whey protein shake in almond milk and coffee for breakfast and lunch (every other day I'd have to eat another small snack a couple hours after lunch, usually some cottage cheese and avocado, because I was hungry and turn into a total asshole with low blood sugar), dropped from 202 to 197 in the first 15 days.

I wouldn't call those remarkable results, and I've seen lots of contradictory scientific "evidence" to the system, but I also didn't follow the book to all it's extremes so I don't doubt someone could drop 20 pounds in 30 days or whatever he's promising if they were willing to truly body hack themselves that massively.

Shooting for sub 190 now..

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adrianwinston

Nice man, keep it up. I used to eat fast food on a daily basis, and working 24/7 on your ass doesn't help one bit :P

ericchristopher

I've stuck with the dreariness of a slow carb diet by supplementing traditional carbs (refined flours, sugars, etc) with a handful of vegan bean based products (Trader Joes.) I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, but there are some decent vegetable based/bean based products that I've grown to appreciate, and these generally complement my every meal (breakfast, lunch, and dinner.)

Do I miss sugars? Yes. Do I miss refined flour? Yes. Am I growing more and more conditioned to living without them? After a few months, it appears that way.

JTP50

Most importantly you want to eat nutrition rich foods. Those that till contain minerals, vitamins and electrolytes in order to really nurture you and thus provide the best level of health.

Think raw food and organic and cut down frozen stuff and any sort of artificially made powders.

Best of success!

megatabbers

No offense dude but those numbers are BS. In fact, all of these BMR & TDDE #'s you can compute online are BS. There is no way to know exactly how many calories you burn unless you lock yourself in a metabolic chamber.

Calorie counting is stupid and pointless. If you overshoot by 20 calories for for 20 years you'll end up 40 pounds heavier. Nobody can maintain that precise caloric balance. Eat one bite more of food and you're over. Walk 100 steps less and you're over.

I don't remember who it was on this forum that pointed me to this guy (see video below) but I can't thank him enough. Changed my life.

Enough with the 6-7 meals/day, whole grain only BS. There's never a shortage of nutritional advice. Everyone's a fucking expert! And yet the world is fucking fatter and more diseased than ever.

Guess what? Our ancestors didn't eat 6-7 meals/day nor did they consume grains until 10,000 years ago. They ate "artery-clogging" animal fat and fasted when they had nothing to eat. Coincidentally, they had NONE of the diseases that plague modern man today.

Enlighten yourselves...

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Rage9

That because there are less mother fuckers hitting the gym and more mother fuckers hitting McDonnalds. You find me someone who hits the gym regularly, eats decent, and follows that caloridic guide and not lose weight or look good.

Do you do any of that? It's not fucking rocket science.

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megatabbers

No it's not. That's exactly what I thought up until a month ago. Watch the video by the way to see why that thinking is flawed.

My scenario:

6'1" - 201 lbs. - was trying to get down to 180 since beginning of May. I ate between 1,800 - 2,200 cals/day; high carb, moderate protein, low fat (i.e. the American Heart Association recommended diet).

Exercise: 3 days a week resistance training; 3 days a week HIIT (running on the treadmill). Also, I live in the center of Boston and walk everywhere to the tune of 4-6 miles/day. Weight loss up until July 11th. ZERO. Yes, fucking 0 after 2.5 months.

Oh, and by the way, with that amount of activity and eating habits, I should be the poster child of the AHA. But low and behold, my blood test last month showed I'm hypercholesterolemic (fantastic).

One month ago, I was introduced to Gary Tabues and the real reasons we gain weight. I cut out carbs: no sugars, grains, potatoes, or rice.

I eat like a PIG - all the foods that are supposed to be unhealthy (steak, bacon, eggs, etc...) I'm never hungry, and I'm down 7 lbs. since July 11th.

Weight loss is not rocket science but it's not about calories in vs. calories out either. A calorie is not just a calorie because of the different hormonal responses it elicits (i.e. carbs spike insulin which leads to fat storage; you can't lose weight if you have high levels of insulin).

Again, watch the video.

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Rage9

You get an offical my bad. Also no I didn't watch the video.

I don't know why I thought you where saying something different, I agree with you 100%. I personally eat a pretty high protein diet, although I do keep some carbs around, wheat pasta or bread. Although I'm not just in it for weight loss, over the last few months I haven't lost a ton a weight, but I have put on muscle and dropped body fat, so it's a win. I lift and do cardio 4-5 times a week. Depends what you're going after, but should be effective either way.

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ludachris

I've been eating healthy and exercising for 5 weeks now and lost 20lb.

I stick to about 1800 calories a day, exercise at least 3 times a week and always have breakfast. and NEVER eat after 8pm, seriously.

I feel so much healthier.

The only think i will say, no one will ever lose weight if they're not in "the zone" it should be the only thing you think about constantly (except IM of course). Once in the frame of mind, it's so easy.

nossie

Im working out alot last 2 month''s and having a strikt diet with plenty of chicken, rice and spinach and protein.

Almost have the spartan body



Also I have energy like crazy being so healthy

I'm hope im not sounding like some raw food freak, but a tip is to make green smoothies:

1) spinach
2) banana
3) washed spinach leaves
4) strawberries
5) water

Throw everything in a blender and enjoy really healthy stuff.

writtenstyle

^^^ Spinach and washed spinach leaves?

I did P90X earlier this year after starting a thread on it here. I lost 21lbs. I am starting Round 2 in about 10 minutes. Best decision I ever made. Went from 212 to 191lbs and lost around 12 inches on my body.

JMan1234

40 miles per week! That's WAY too much running for an average person, they are going to absolutely kill their knees. And besides, they aren't training for a long distance run, they are trying to lose weight. You can lose a lot of weight, and get ripped without running. Many of the natural bodybuilders (the real natural ones, no supplements) are ripped to shreds and they only do about 10-15 minutes of cardio per day - IF THAT. Now, I think you should do at least 20-30 minutes per day, but the point is, running for miles and miles each day is definitely not needed.

qwatqwat

Saying calorie counting is stupid and pointless really shows how little you know. A 20 calorie difference will not matter when you are changing your caloric intake by 500+. Calories directly effect weight loss / gain so why would you not count them when wanting to lose / gain weight?

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qwatqwat

You cannot honestly sit here and debate whether calories in vs calories out determines weight loss. It's science, plain and simple. Eating 2000 calories worth of donuts you will lose the same amount of weight as easting a diet consisting of grilled chicken / vegetables. You will however be losing a lot of muscle in the process if you don't get proper protein intake. If you eat 500 calories below maintenance, lift, and get sufficient protein each day, you will be losing 1lb of fat per week while maintaining as much muscle as possible at a calorie deficit.

What you are doing is simply a ketogenic diet and will not be any more effective than if you swapped out carbs for fat and ate the same amount of calories.

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Kyle4hire

Wahahaha.. I also love food to be physically fit you also have to work for it

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Kamee CA

I have lost About 15 kg in just 45 days by running 3 km every day in evening and I have maintained my diet plane which was before I just started to use one glass of water before having meal every time which reduces my hunger and I feel comfirtable with less food and also avoid weakness.

Kamee CA

You Dont Need to Sacrifice your Food Because I have loose 15 kg in just 30 days by running 3 km every day without sacrificing my diet plan.I use to have one glass of water before my meal which reduces my desire of food and fulfills my need of food.

megatabbers

I agree, calories directly affect weight loss, 1st law of thermodynamics, etc., etc., etc... my point is, it's impossible to practice energy balance by counting calories because you don't know how much you burn unless you're living in a metabolic chamber.

Next, a calorie is not a calorie... it all depends on your sensitivity to insulin. Feed a diabetic person 1,200 calories of twinkies and they will not lose weight.


As above, it all depends on your metabolism. If you feed an insulin resistant (i.e. type 2 diabetic) 2,000 calories of donuts they will not lose the same amount of weight (most likely none at all) than if they ate 2,000 calories of chicken / vegetables.

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BradleyT2p2

Taubes is a retard that only chooses scientific experiments that support his opinion and ignores everything that go against his position.


The more you know -
The Energy Balance Equation | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

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megatabbers

Care to give a few of examples?

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megatabbers

It's odd that you call Taubes a retard then link to Lyle McDonald. I like his info, which coincidentally is the same line of thinking at Taubes:

Carbohydrate and Fat Controversies: Part 1 | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

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ricdes

diets are for the birds. how about changing your lifestyle? You won't end up frustrated when 4 weeks after your diet you're back where you started.

Eat healthy
Eat organic food
Learn how to cook enjoyable vegetarian meals
Join a sports team or a gym (nah not baseball).

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megatabbers

Science begs to differ...

Carbohydrate restriction has a more favorable impa... [Lipids. 2009] - PubMed result

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JTP50

Got a great tip for you. Check out "Green Smoothies" by Victoria Boutenko

Best nutritional advice ever......

BradleyT2p2

Well here's what Lyle thinks about Taubes as a book author -
Straight talk about high-fructose corn syrup: what it is and what it ain't. | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

Do a search for Lyle's book "The ultimate diet 2.0 pdf" he does a really good job of explaining what's going on.

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sumohax0r

Bringing this thread back to life // Rundown of what happened and what is happening now.

I'm terrible with dates so I'll probably be off on a few of these but you get the idea.

3-4 months ago I was on track with my diet for a total of 5.5 weeks, I went from 253lbs to 232lbs // I was losing an average of 1-2lbs for the first few weeks of eating pretty healthy with zero sugar, then I cut carbs as much as possible and my body really responded to that, More energy and faster weight loss, saw two weeks in a row at 6lbs down each // my best weeks.

TL;DR // Sister and her son moved into my house and stressed me the fuck out

(TL;DR STORY: So a crisis happened, My sister got into a huge fight with her husband and they split // she showed up at my door with her 5yo son and needed a place to stay, I tried to stick to my diet but it slowly got worse and worse with the added stress of living with a depressed sister and a 5yo being well... a 5yo.

Sleep? yea right, kid was up at 7AM loud as fuck and in bed at 10PM and then we had to be quiet and I work mostly at night so I was getting very little sleep to boot.)

So after being a complete bitch over the holidays and my sister off on her own again I'm ready to get back on track, I'm currently 239lbs and as of tonight cutting all sweets, as many carbs as possible and increasing lean protein with little fats.

Looking for a way to get cardio ( I live in FL running outside is humid as fuck #firstworldproblem ) so I'm looking to get a treadmill as I'll be more likely to do that often if its easy #anotherfirstworldproblem

Looking to do cardio for 3-4 weeks until I'm not embarrassingly out of shape then going to the local gym to start weight training and do cardio every other day.

I'm giving myself 8 months to get to ~160lbs (depending on how my body reacts, might not get that low if I can put decent muscle on) and start adding muscle weight until I get decent looking.

(Not a fan of the overly buff look, but no one hates 15lbs of muscle)

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ScottDaMan

I'm a fatty. I started my journey in November 2011 at 290.2 pounds. Down to 247.6 now but I've hit a bit of a plateau and haven't lost anything in 2 weeks.

About to start a juice fast to cleanse. Was thinking of a 30 day nothing-but-green-juice diet. Just waiting on my juicer. From there, I plan to reintroduce food, and supplement with high nutrient juicing.

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cougarclaws

are you counting your calories?

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danke

Where are you in Florida? I have a group of buddies (we're all business owners) that work out hard if you really want to get in shape.

We do shit like century rides, half mile swims, 5 mile running races some mornings, wind surfing, mudruns, and we're going to be one of the many teams doing the Spartan race later this year (having just done the Warrior Dash).

FWIW: I'm 5'11", 175lbs. Ecto/Mesomorphic all day, everyday so I doubt I'll ever look like a Spartan who'll eat a Persian for breakfast. More like GSP, but not as famous or rich as GSP. lol

sumohax0r

Hey, I'm in the Tampa area.

All sounds like loads of fun, I'm going to focus on getting myself able to do physical activity for more then 15 min and then I'll deff hit you up. :P

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jeffrey

I stopped at your first paragraph just for the simply fact you never actually read what I said. If you think 1,200 calories is enough for someone who weighs 250lbs. and is going to be subjecting themselves to a rigorous workout, then you sir are retarded.

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Hale.Pane

FTFY. Veganism is a luxury. #firstworldproblems

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mikeshinobi

So I herd u want to lose weight

Cool Running | The Couch-to-5K ® Running Plan
Hotnfit.com - EC Stack
Ketogenic diet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
High-intensity interval training - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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megatabbers

Where did I ever say, or imply that?

All I said is that attempting to control your calories on a conscious level isn't the best approach because you can never know how much you actually expend.

Furthermore, you stopped at my first paragraph because *I* never read what you said? Don't you see the irony in that?

In any case, I don't really give a shit. If you or anyone else wants to count calories and spend the rest of their lives weighing food, all the power to you. As for me, I'll never again have a weight problem in my life because I follow a simple principle: I let my hunger decide how many calories I should consume.

What a concept, eh?

The human body is the most complex organism in existence. We have multiple redundant systems to ensure survival (e.g. increase in heart rate when exercising, thirst response when dehydrated, etc., etc..) - yet somehow people believe that eating (i.e. the most critical activity needed for survival) should be an intellectual process, not an instinctual one.

Take a moment to digest that last sentence...

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jeffrey

Yeah dipshit, you didn't read what I said. I never once told him that he should count his calories, did I? I gave him a rough idea of what would be safe for him to consume, provided he CHOSE HIMSELF to count calories. Here's the kicker, I don't count my calories either. I actually agree with you for the most part, but you completely missed my point.

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And calling me a retard and a dipshit is a surefire way to get your point across. Well done!

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