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Old 08-03-2011, 07:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Over The Counter Alternatives To Adderall

Been on a search today for something to kick me in the ass like addies do, current insurance situation leaves me at a disadvantage for going the doctor route. Actual adderall makes me a coding machine, pumping out features like the world is exploding and everyone needs more cool shit before they all die. Without it, I operate as a normal human being would.

Spare me the tips of eat well, exercise, blah blah. I'm well aware of what does what to a body, I'm looking for stimulants that make me superhuman.

I found this earlier, looks simultaneously good and sketchy: Adderllin

I know someone here used to own/sell the thing at Instant Focus Brainpower Concentration Supplement but not sure if that is still running (if it is, PM me and I'll order immediately).

I'm in Cali, so not sure what the deal is with nootropics and legality of it all (I'm ignorant of the laws, not doubting them).

What's a stimulant fiend to do, WF?
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Old 08-03-2011, 07:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Joe Rogan has been pimping this stuff on his podcast:
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I don't know anything about it though. Interested to see the replies this thread gets.
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I don't think you'll find something OTC that's comparable to addy.
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If you do well on well on kiddie speed, why not take the jump to regular speed? Until your insurance crap is sorted, of course.
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Not sure what kind of doctor you'd need for that stuff, but a normal dr visit is less than $100 and a head doctor is only around $200.
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If you do well on well on kiddie speed, why not take the jump to regular speed? Until your insurance crap is sorted, of course.
I'd prefer to not have to make one of those "you can never go back" decisions...though I watch a lot of breaking bad so I'm warmed up to the idea
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there are some weight loss pills that have a little kick to them, but nothing like adderall.
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Have been taking adderlin recently with choline and sometimes piracetam.

Does seem to increase focus and motivation for work. I doubt it is as good as adderall though.
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Trust me you don't want to go that route. I've seen people ruin their lives with that shit. One guy I knew had a nice computer shop and owned a decent house. He ended up loosing the business and lost his house when he went to prison. He ended up looking like walking death as well.

It doesn't matter if you're the buyer or seller if you get caught with that stuff it's jail time.
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Wouldn't personally recommend it based on how addictive it could be (although adderall is addictive too). It's supposed to be like hyper-ritalin or something.
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I might be talking outta my ass cause I've never tried addies but...

Do you tolerate A LOT of caffeine well?

Get some NoDoze and swallow 2 or 3 tabs.

Or get yourself an real espresso machine and guzzle massive quantities of Lavazza -- I like mine with sugar and a bit of milk.

Feel the rush!

Oh and yeah, you know you do not wanna fuck around with methadrine or any of that addictive shit.
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I might be talking outta my ass cause I've never tried addies but...

Do you tolerate A LOT of caffeine well?

Get some NoDoze and swallow 2 or 3 tabs.

Or get yourself an real espresso machine and guzzle massive quantities of Lavazza -- I like mine with sugar and a bit of milk.

Feel the rush!

Oh and yeah, you know you do not wanna fuck around with methadrine or any of that addictive shit.
I drink obscene amounts of caffeine every day. It's sad really, it takes 2+ cups to even begin to feel anything. Headaches galore if I don't drink it.
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Trust me you don't want to go that route. I've seen people ruin their lives with that shit. One guy I knew had a nice computer shop and owned a decent house. He ended up loosing the business and lost his house when he went to prison. He ended up looking like walking death as well.

It doesn't matter if you're the buyer or seller if you get caught with that stuff it's jail time.
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Have been taking adderlin recently with choline and sometimes piracetam.

Does seem to increase focus and motivation for work. I doubt it is as good as adderall though.
oh nice, you've tried it. Have you tried adderall (so you can compare)? Are they a rebill or straight sale?
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That's disappointing that you've got predicaments that prevent you from getting it prescribed. Was extremely easy for myself.

I've looked into nootropics, and from the information I've gathered most of them don't work as well as they are claimed, taking pramiracetam and a choline supposedly works well, but I've yet to try it myself. I had an entire writeup on all of this with proper dosages and other nootropics that work but I can't seem to find it at the moment.

Another option is modafinil, without a prescription you won't be able to get it unless its in a form called adrafinil which converts into modafinil when processed by the liver. Unfortunately it can have damaging effects to your liver with prolonged use.
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[disclaimer to anyone stupid enough to try these: narcolepsy pills don't help you get shit done, they just make it hard to sleep.]

i searched for a long time for a legal OTC adderal replacement, did not find one. i read the best available articles and compilations of mood-altering drugs, and tried *almost* everything on the list. give up the search before you're ordering random pills from a french pharmacy and snorting them, believe me, it's an ugly place to go.

INSTEAD OF UPPERS, I SMOKE WEED. Feels great. Instead of getting the jitters and being uncomfortable and forgetting to eat and all of a sudden amphetamines made my life suck, now I get the giggles and the munchies and life is pretty great.
Guess what gets done? Everything that really truly *needs* to get done.
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That's disappointing that you've got predicaments that prevent you from getting it prescribed. Was extremely easy for myself.

I've looked into nootropics, and from the information I've gathered most of them don't work as well as they are claimed, taking pramiracetam and a choline supposedly works well, but I've yet to try it myself. I had an entire writeup on all of this with proper dosages and other nootropics that work but I can't seem to find it at the moment.

Another option is modafinil, without a prescription you won't be able to get it unless its in a form called adrafinil which converts into modafinil when processed by the liver. Unfortunately it can have damaging effects to your liver with prolonged use.
yeah, in a few months time, I'll get the script stuff under control, but serpIQ isn't going to build itself in that time period so I'm actively searching for alternatives. I'll check out adrafinil and see how nasty it is, thanks.
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Modafinil - PubMed Health
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i searched for a long time for a legal OTC adderal replacement, did not find one. i read the best available articles and compilations of mood-altering drugs, and tried *almost* everything on the list. give up the search before you're ordering random pills from a french pharmacy and snorting them, believe me, it's an ugly place to go.

INSTEAD OF UPPERS, I SMOKE WEED. Feels great. Instead of getting the jitters and being uncomfortable and forgetting to eat and all of a sudden amphetamines made my life suck, now I get the giggles and the munchies and life is pretty great.
Guess what gets done? Everything that really truly *needs* to get done.
Guess what doesn't get done? Everything that didn't really "need" to get done.
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I made a thread similar to this a while back (or not - it was about how I got brainfog without nicotine). If you don't already smoke, a nicotine patch might help. The effect is probably less than adderall (never tried it) but the yeh my brain is more foggy without nicotine. Non-smokers definitely underestimate the power of nicotine though.

Even if you do smoke I suggest replacing it with patches, because the carbon monoxide and all that other radioactive shit in cigarette smoke cancel out any cognitive benefits derived from nicotine.
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Piracetam and choline is a popular combination.

The people at imminst post their nootropic experiences, which can be interesting:
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"Adderall" or as I call it "Orange Sunrise" has no alternatives. It was a blessing brought down to us by the gods and will not / should not ever be replicated.
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There's very little that comes close to Adderall, and pretty much nothing OTC. One thing I've heard comes pretty close (but haven't tried myself) is 4-FA (4-Fluoroamphetamine). It's a research chemical, so use at your own risk. You should be able to find it online if you do enough searching.
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I'm in the Piracetam + Choline (or eat eggs) + 1,3 Dimethylamylamine + Caffeine camp. I take Aniracetam in evenings too. Perhaps some Rhodiola if feeling pooped.

Won't be anything near your addy though.
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Also, I think that Adderlin stuff is made by someone here.

N-Acetyl-Tyrosine (not L-Tyrosine) is good too.

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If you do well on well on kiddie speed, why not take the jump to regular speed? Until your insurance crap is sorted, of course.
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seriously, instead of trying to cover up the problem with some pills start at the root cause. don't eat garbage (no grains, processed food, typical american diet bullshit), go to bed on time. those 2 things alone will improve the quality of your life dramatically.
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seriously, instead of trying to cover up the problem with some pills start at the root cause. don't eat garbage (no grains, processed food, typical american diet bullshit), go to bed on time. those 2 things alone will improve the quality of your life dramatically.
I know, I know, but getting fired up just doesn't happen naturally. I regularly do 14 hour work sessions on addies, just don't have a supply anymore.

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In that case, why not just start slamming meth!
There is a very big difference between smoking/injecting meth, and doing very small amounts of methamphetamines in other forms, such as Desoxyn. Dextroamphetamine (Adderall) is basically the kiddie version, and isn't a whole lot different.

Methamphetamine (Desoxyn) and Dextroamphetamine (Adderall) are both FDA approved to treat ADHD.
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Medicine Garden Australia - Online Catalogue

and some of this

Fusion Health® : Ancient Wisdom - Modern Medicine

Yeah i know they are herbal but these products have some serious impact.
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Have you tried 1,3 Dimethylamylamine? Cheap and it works, a couple pills should do you good for a few hours. Best part, it's cheap.

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Jesus, so much damn info and name dropping in this thread its hard to keep up.

Im in the camp of "ive drank 20 dr. peppers every day for 20 years" camp. As well as drinking 2-5 double shots of expresso and cream every day as well and i think I have made my body use to too much caffeine and shit.

everyone says adderall is the shit, so i might go to doc and find out. however, I want to get rid of the soda and coffee so I am thinking adderall can help me with that.
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Im in the camp of "ive drank 20 dr. peppers every day for 20 years" camp. As well as drinking 2-5 double shots of expresso and cream every day as well and i think I have made my body use to too much caffeine and shit.

everyone says adderall is the shit, so i might go to doc and find out. however, I want to get rid of the soda and coffee so I am thinking adderall can help me with that.
The university of vermont did an interesting study on caffeine and caffeine withdrawal. The most interesting part of the study found "that there were no net benefits associated with chronic caffeine administration". Meaning, you might feel fatigued and shit when you stop taking caffeine, but if you didn't have withdrawal, you would have no net disadvantage over someone who regularly takes caffeine. The benefit of caffeine comes from irregular and non-daily dosage. So basically, you're no better off than anyone else, except you've got a huge daily sugar intake.

Source: Caffeine Withdrawal Headache Explained: Your Brain On -- And Off -- Caffeine

From personal experience, if you want to get off caffeine, the trick is to limit the headaches. To do that, limit yourself to two, max three, red bulls per day, and only drink them when your start to feel the headache coming. After a week, you should be able to drink one less, and after a couple of weeks, you should be able to start skipping days. Caffeine dependence is pretty easy to get over, once you deal with the headaches and fatigue.
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Old study on Wired that might be of interest, looks like they are all herbal though. I Dream of Genius: Herbal Drugs Promise Big Neural Gains | Product Reviews | Wired.com
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I just bought a bottle of these https://www.onnit.com/ , the coupon code "rogan" gets you $3.50 off...curious to see what the deal is with them.
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Talk to machinecontrol (Ilya) about his Instant Focus Brainpower Concentration Supplement

Shit's good. It doesn't get you started, but literally opening up your IDE kicks it off and it's a landslide from there on out from my experience.

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I just bought a bottle of these https://www.onnit.com/ , the coupon code "rogan" gets you $3.50 off...curious to see what the deal is with them.
Keep us updated, tempted to buy a bottle.
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Definately 1,3 dimethylamylamine. I buy the Primaforce pills from iHerb.com. Stacks well with caffeine.
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