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Did WickedFire ever organize an SEO contest?

Don't flame me, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea. Since there are so many SEO gurus in here, I'd be curious to see which one comes out on top and which techniques he used.

This would also be a good occasion for all the providers in the BST section to showcase/prove their techniques. I've spent so much money in the BST section and at this point frankly there are so many services that I don't know which ones really know their shit and are worth working with.

There could be a great prize for the winner, like a high-class hooker shipped straight to your location or something like that. (Kidding aside, there could be a $10 entrance fee per head and winner takes the pot?)

Thoughts?

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GerardWon

Lets use 5 man teams -- I pick guerilla, shady, deliguy and dchuk.

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mgtarheels

Could be fun

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dreamache

Pfft.. I only need one partner, and that's Steven Waggenheim.

ilovewf

i have my own team.

rockstar45177

dchuk would win

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seiux

shotgun grindstone. good luck bros.

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dchuk

there's a lot of really good SEOs on this forum who never post here. Most service providers have dealt with them. Less than 10 posts, killing it online.

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mgtarheels

I can +1 this, though not sure I'd call them SEOs since they typically don't do the work.

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dchuk

usually they outsource for personal bandwidth reasons

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James Taylor

+1 for this from me too .

avatar33

I agree that there are some very skilled guys that post once per full solar eclipse here. Obviously if there was a contest not every one would join it, but if we could at least get some of the providers in the BST to compete against each other, it would be great to watch, and we would all learn from it globally...

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ly2 from WF

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You know I love you D, but everyone knows you're not even close to the best SEO on here, nor am I. There are some bad asses on here, both you and I rank in the 1000's somewhere probably

I think this dude wants to fuck you in the butthole or something. Or maybe he's fishing for a free SERP IQ account eh?

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dchuk

I agree with this. Wickedfire probably has the highest concentration of expert SEOs in the world.

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Grindstone

Fucking All Star lineup right there...I'll take ayzo, greenleaves, ly2 and faceblogger! What's that, we get a 6th because shady, eli and guerilla is unfair? OK, I'll take bofu2.

Nope, but he has access to the best SEO data available.

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1yerrot

That would be freakin cool to see, but I'm sure the big boyz are too busy making more money.

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ly2 from WF

Cause he's a fuckin cheater with SEO hax

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JCash

aojon and volknet had an awesome seo battle back in the day Jon Fisher Vs. Jon Volk

prince

i have a software that does all that

mont7071

I've thought of posting something like this for a while. Older guys will remember the Nigritude Ultramarine seo contest from back in the day, and it'd be fun to see a WF pissing contest for bragging rights, best ranked site for a new, nonsense keyword term after 30 days takes the pot/bragging rights.

I'll throw a few hundred bucks towards a contest if others will contribute something, might get enough interest to actually see which of the bad-ass WF SEOers can rise to the top.

ly2 from WF

i would do it but it would actually be a lot of work and I fucking hate working, I don't think anyone could win this by just buying BST shit, would have to actually get my hands dirty and FUCK YOU with all that noise, I have fucking video games to play nigga

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avatar33

^ Trust me if the prize is big enough you'll forget about your video games and you'll join in.

That's the thing, no one will join just for the fun of it, people need to make money. If you charge a fee to get in + have a few sponsors, there is potential for great prizes. The way I see it the Top-3 or Top-5 should win something, to make it more interesting and give everyone a chance to make it on the podium.

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ly2 from WF

You don't know me very well lol

If the prize was guaranteed, then yes. But I wouldn't work my ass off to attempt it. Beating everyone at WF in an SEO contest definetly wouldn't be easy, would take tons of work, and I doubt I could do it. I could def. make top 10 but #1? Eh...highly doubtful.

in b4 guerilla yells at me

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Deliguy

lol anyone remember when that v7n forum would throw those really big seo contests? One time Jon waraas and I entered one two weeks before it ended (it was a 6 month contest) we both won it, first and second place. Then they refused to give us the prizes cus there was some unwritten rule about you can't win if you come in at the last second. Then they didn't even give the people below us the prizes.

It was fun but seo contests are still a fuckin joke and a waste of time you could be putting into making your money sites rank.

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mont7071

Ya, I think we can improve on the V7N and Dark Blue contests a bit. if guarantees are what peeps are worried about, I'll guarantee $500 to the winner, no matter when they enter the contest

Somebody else jump in with some guaranteed prizes to make it all worthwhile, lets get this ball rolling.

Prospective "Rules" - Open to Debate
1. 30 day timeframe, #1 ranking at midnight 30 days later (no matter what happens to rank afterwards)
2. to win you have to be a WF member, and have your username somewhere visible on the site you enter
3. All's fair, do whatever you want, just be #1 30 days later.
4. Should be a new random gibberish phrase that has 0 results currently (like nigritude ultramarine and V7n elursrebmem were)
5. Has to be a new registered domain? (not sure on this one yet, thoughts?)

Deliguy

Very cool!
In that case AboveAllOffers will donate the second place prize. Whatever monte thinks that should be.

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felixgoh

This is definitely a great contest for exposure especially for service providers in the BST section. It will also help those who are constantly purchasing service package to get a better idea who are the REAL gurus that can provide results.

faceblogger

I only need this guy

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dchuk

I'll toss a free serpIQ lifetime account into the prizes list if this ends up happening

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mont7071

OK, so far we got 500 from me, lifetime SerpIQ account from dchuk (which is a neat tool BTW if you haven't checked it out yet, take a look) and ??? from Eli for 2nd place (maybe 30 minutes of professional erotic massage from him and Tom perhaps?).

Who else wants to chip in something to the goodie bag of prizes?

onkelmicha

so I happen to have some real ninja tricks so sahll I let med pride stand in my way and use it on a site that everyone can analyize in public and see exactly what I did. Well why dont I just go to th street and give my keys the the first bum I see?

just sayin'

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LOOOOOL.

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ly2 from WF

No shit? I've never used v7n...was never a fan. But I remember that contest, shit was a big deal. Didn't they pretty much build the entire forum off the back of that contest? Far as I can remember they were a shit forum before that contest. During the contest they were the talk of the town.

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Sounds like fun, I will throw like $100-300, into the pool, I think slme random junk word is not the way to go. We need something with medium compition,

I also think the domain names need to have nothing to do with the keyword you are trying to rank for, it would be unfair advantage imo,

Also and some people may not think this is a good idea but I think 60-90 days would be better

On the management end if wf would make a sub forum for it and maybe one of us make a site to post, track and give general info about what is going on would be cool.

Announcemnet in the bst, and organize the suppliers, make a system where if you use one it would show. On your project on the site or something,

Organizing and maintaining it how I envision it would be a bitch, but fun for sure,

MentalyDisturbd

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you think this is a game nigga?

lol @ the chump change in this thread, why would somebody that knows what they're doing put in their time and effort for what's being thrown as a pittance as a one-time 'prize' for something they could make every day with the same effort.

how about we have aaron and mont go at it and represent some people here with cases and see who is 'better' and who 'wins' for a $500 prize.. oh wait...

how about ya'll find out if the people you want in the contest will accept a retainer to join..

putting service providers against each other doesn't prove anything, there's not just one service provider you can go to that will bring you the results you want/need.. it's called a strategy you need to know what you need/want from them, not all providers offer the same service. you need to know your game plan and strategize it and go to them for execution. you need to know what you're going to them for, there are too many variables involved, it's a science. you should know the formula but, you go to them for the elements.

ly2 from WF

Part of me wants to make fun of you for being an internet tough guy with the usual "baller" attitude. The other half of me knows you're right. I feel very weird about this situation.

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Grindstone

I probably won't bother entering unless the prize money hits 5 figs but to me, this isn't the route to go.

1. Rewards the guys quick on the draw enough to get EMDs while penalizing everybody else.
2. Doesn't replicate real world SEO challenges, as there won't be the usual obstacles needed to be overcome; authority sites, aged sites, sites using shell links, aged EMDs, etc.
3. Going after an existing hard SERP with brand new regged domains would ensure that nobody got an EMD and a full gamut of SEO factors would have to be implemented. Would probably have to run the time from 30 days out to 60 days unless you wanted to reward somebody for breaking top 50 though.
4. Good luck bros!

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1yerrot

Chill out brody... Y U MAD 4?

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mont7071

jeezus, common theme on this board, lots of peeps talking about how 'that wont work, I dont like, I wont do it, look at me trollin, hurr-durr" Its amazing how many peeps spend more time talking shit or being negative about everything than they do actually doing something useful or contributing in some way.

Its simple, If you are are an ultra-cool-seo-baller-with-amazing-skills-that-are-so-secret-awesome-that-you'd-never-reveal-your-awesomeness-for-less-than-$xxx,xxxx , then its not the contest for you. Nobody is being forced to compete, if you don't want to do it, simply don't. Go back to your busy day of trolling threads and telling people how hard you ball.I wouldn't do it just for the money/prizes either, I'd do it for the competition. I assume some others feel the day and like a shot at matching wits with their fellow WFers for bragging rights, a few prizes just makes it more interesting.

mont7071

1. maybe, but I think there'd be enough EMD variations that anyone who tried could get something with the words in it and tLD. This also assumes the power of an EMD would be a big advantage, which some people dispute, so it makes for an interesting mini case study in itself

2. This is true, there would be no existing aged sites to overcome like most SEO tasks, but it also removes all noise and entrenched competitors, everybody starts off on equal playing field. Most seo contests do tend to use gibberish phrases for that exact reason, you can more precisely see the effects of your work and competitors are guaranteed to get to the top.

60 days might be better than 30 to really see who can compete, but it should be a pretty short contest, so peeps stay interested. WF already has a pretty short attention span

nism1

i have my own team...

Grindstone

If you're going to go with a nonsense term, 30 days is plenty long. Soon as somebody throws some hookers and blow into the prize pool, I'll put 4 hours into it.

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p0ck3taces

I agree with grindstone. Real keyword with real competition.

Added plus is the winner will be ranking for a keyword that should make him good money. So he will have more then just the bragging rights and small prize money, he will also have a new profitable site.

And like Grindstone says, on nonsense keywords it will just come down to the guy who gets the EMD. Sure they can still be beaten, but it gives quite an advantage. Just look at any other seo contest done on a nonsense keyword, EMD's are the winners.

Bofu2U

Why don't we just make this simple. Pick a harder term, 40+ million results on broad match and just come up with a way to evaluate that ranking X for 1 day = Y points, so that even guys that rank #20 for a week don't beat the guys ranking #25 for 3 weeks.

I'm more interested in consistency rather than "who gets it on the final day" IMO.

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avatar33

If this happens it has to be taken seriously. No baller will join for a $5000 prize. There has to be at least 3 prizes rewarding the Top-3, and I agree with Grindstone the first prize has to hit 5 figures IMO.

EMD would definitely be an unfair advantage. Shouldn't be allowed.

If we allow keywords in the domain, it should be something like keyword-yourWFnickname.com so that everyone starts off with the same advantage.

OR... everyone starts off with a free hosted blogpost or wordpress blog, so yournickname.blogspot.com (this way no need to buy a domain that you won't use in the future anyways).

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Grindstone

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Where's the motivation for anybody to put up that kind of cash tho? Maybe if the contest was for a real term with real paydays and the contest sponsor got to keep the winning site but other than that, I just don't see it happening. When you look at it thru that prism, Mont ponying up $500 for a nonsense term is pretty generous (if I were him, I'd require all entries be turned over to me for filtering linkjuice at real world properties post contest).

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avatar33

Alright... $50 per person to join in. Advertise the contest a bit. Don't you think we'll get 1000 entries at least? ($50,000 pot from entry fees only, then you can get much more with sponsors once you have that kind of exposure. Hell if I had an SEO tool I'd definitely be a sponsor. Good potential ROI there) Considering this won't just be WF. We'll probably get a lot of people from other forums to join in. This has the potential to be a massive thing.

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mont7071

I kind of like the no-entry fee idea, just cuz it gets more people involved, not just the hotshot SEO experts. A lot of people probably wouldn't bother to compete if they had to set up something in advance and pay $50, they'd be better off focusing on their own projects. But if any WFer can look at the results after it starts and says "Hell, I can beat those guys, might as well spend a few minutes and throw something at it"

I still like a "nonsense term" that has 0 results prior to the contest, so we can measure immediately how people are doing and have a guaranteed winner, but I'll pay out the $500 to the winner no matter how we decide to do it.