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Xrproto · 06-18-2007, 02:21 PM

Something similar to what Jon is talking about is going around in my area but they only leave a voice mail saying return their call at such & such number with a vague message. Typical they are calling after business hours.

LazyHippy · 06-18-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpc

...dispatch riding on a bike in London can bring in even $5k weekly if you know what you are doing, and you can start without knowing what you are doing (at $400 weekly set wage), although admittedly it can be dangerous for beginners.

Even without the scam being a motorcycle courier in London is fuckin dangerous if ya don't know what you're doing!

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Originally Posted by halfpc

You can then develop it.

My old and never put into practice idea would be to set up a premium phone line at $5 a minute then go into all these firms pretending to be collecting a package, when they have no package just ask to use the phone to find a contact name ext. # (as you do) and phone the premium number for 10 mins at a time.

Do that with every firm on every floor of every building for a while.

Chances are a $50 phone call won't even get noticed by these big firms, and virtually every company use dispatch riders, at least in London.

Doing 100 companies on a 12 hours day is perfectly feasible,and there are enough companies around for one to just milk $50 each company every six months, so in theory it could bring almost 2 mil per year.

In practice I am not sure what'd happen.

It's been around for ages and been on TV a lot too - did ya see it on 'the real hustle' or something else late night bbc 2? Think is was on there recently. lol.

Regardless of the lack of ethics - some minimum wage receptionist would prob get the blame - you'd need a lot of balls to try and pull that one off...

halfpc · 06-18-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon

This is an old scam. The Russian mafia here in NYC did that on a pretty large scale, made over $50M from it, but of course it was shut down after a few years. Most places these days won't let the delivery people or outsiders use the phone, not to mention almost everyone has a cell phone nowadays, I even see cops using their phones.

The scam is a lot more elaborate than you may think. I know of a group in Aruba who I'm friends with and they run something like this now, but not from Aruba. There's an area code in the Carribean somewhere with a US looking area code, and it acts as a 900 number. So they charge something like $20-$90 per call, regardless of how long someone is on it, and they market it as a psychic line or some type of support hotline for products. They bank REALLY hard from it too. The phone companies pay them, and will charge the victim no matter what. They can't fight it because it was clearly made from the location of the phone number, so they'll charge you regardless. The phone companies know it's a scam too, but they don't do shit about it because it's cheaper for them to just charge you knowing they'll win and make a profit anyhow. The FTC/FCC, FBI and INTERPOL have been onto this scam for a looooong time (not on my friends from what I know, but definitely on the whole idea of it). If ya make the call, get ready to pay for it. My buddies doing it went from working on the beach and selling marijuana to tourists to making well over $30M a year from it. They are good peoples aside for the scam, but to them, it's not a scam, they have a totally different mentality than Americans do. They told me that to them if it exists, and the phone companies pay you for it, then it's legal in their eyes.

The scam is smart, and it does make A LOT of money, but if you're an American, you can be sure you will be arrested by the feds and sent to jail for a loooooooooong time, or if you do it offshore it would be safe to say that if you want to stay a free person you should never set foot on US soil again, for the rest of your life. So the real question that remains is.. is it worth it?

I know my morals, ethics and standards are pretty shitty, and while I find this idea so fucking cool and tempting, sorry, but I wouldn't fuck with the feds on any level, nor would I be willing to trade money and wealth in exchange for never being able to set foot in the US ever again. Not to mention you'd probably feel like a war criminal for the rest of your life as you'd have to watch your back and live a super paranoid life for the rest of your days.

Some things just aren't worth it. But to each his own.

wow, old scam uh? I am not surprized someone else did it already.
Me, I just had the idea when working as a DR back in 1991, there's no way I was going to do it myself but I did fantasize quite a bit about it.

As per what would happen if caught, well, I posted the link to what happened to some guys that did a VERY stupid version of it...
real life situation for you on a real government website..

So doing it properly would bring a different outcome but then again, this is not America, there aint no feds and no "paranoia for the rest of one's life".

and don't get me started on how slack they can be in this country, the vat man, the tax man, the banking system, the police, the transport, vehicle registration office and post office, I could fill a book about their imbecility.

I guess some would call it "freedom", I guess it is. I would even like it except I hate to see the scambags abusing the system to which I paid so much blood in sweat and taxes.

halfpc · 06-18-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LazyHippy

Even without the scam being a motorcycle courier in London is fuckin dangerous if ya don't know what you're doing!

It's been around for ages and been on TV a lot too - did ya see it on 'the real hustle' or something else late night bbc 2? Think is was on there recently. lol.

Regardless of the lack of ethics - some minimum wage receptionist would prob get the blame - you'd need a lot of balls to try and pull that one off...

Yes it is dangerous but very raw and real, I loved it. Seeing blood and guts all over the street on a rainy monday morning does keep you on your toes but I loved the job, no room for posers. The yanks aren't behind mind you, I have seen some very scary pushbikers' vids on the net.

I never seen this scam anywhere, honest, it came from my own mind. Minds do flow freely when on this job as you never talk to anyone, just streetfight in traffic all day long. I never had any probs in getting to use anyone's phone but yeah that was years ago and I guess things have changed.

Yep I guess the receptionists might take some heat if someone was ever to check, but trust me some of those telephones get red hot, everyone uses them, a 20 quid call amounts to crumbs to those people, also it's all tax deducted.

Still, it's just theory, I don't care. I don't even want to see the streets any more.

I prefer chasing new niches and building money on auto..

Just found one niche with three pages of ads on google, top bid $4, and only FOUR (!!) sites on the organic results. Only probs there's just 500 searches per month on overture but I think I'll slap a page together just the same, I'll be on the first page in google.com for it as soon as I get indexed, can't be too bad!!

LazyHippy · 06-18-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpc

... but then again, this is not America, there aint no feds and no "paranoia for the rest of one's life".

What? There's more CCTV camera's in the UK per capita than anywhere else in the World! Most of em in London... They've created and are feeding the paranoia man.... it's given them a great excuse to crack down on civil liberties.. cunts. (and Brown will be like Clinton... not in-ya-face-cuntish..... like Bush & Blair... more subtle...)

But, yeah a lot of fuckers do abuse the system - but a lot of the fuckers are big companies - see that shit about BAe? - more of our taxes get spent on helping big businesses get richer than get spent on illegal immigrants, single parents and whatever else rupert murdoch wants to convince you is wrong.

darzuaga · 06-19-2007, 12:29 PM

mate stop moping around and focus just get another job or IM

halfpc · 06-19-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LazyHippy

What? There's more CCTV camera's in the UK per capita than anywhere else in the World! Most of em in London... They've created and are feeding the paranoia man.... it's given them a great excuse to crack down on civil liberties.. cunts.

ha ha ha what paranoia man. Yep there's tons of cameras yet they pull you with no insurance, no road tax, no driving licence, 2 grand worth of parking tickets but you can blab your way out of it and there ain't anything they can do.
How about registering your car documents in the name of Tony Blair and get all parking tickets to be delivered to 10 Downing street? It's 100% possible in England and takes only 3 minutes. Just fill the log book and send it off to the monkeys at DVLA.

How about occupying an empty home in Whitehall, 350 yards from downing street, living there undetected for 12 years then getting the deeds to the house? Been done.
Do that in Piccadilly? Yep been done.
Open bank account with a driving licence you found on the street? Used to be possible when no photo was required, now you just go through the rubbish at the back of most banks and get someone else's details.

Try doing ANY of this in Germany, Italy, France, Spain and what Jon said will apply..you might get to live your life in exile like a branded criminal, but not in the UK.

just follow the link I posted a few posts back, scammers DO NOT get arrested in the UK, not like they would in the rest of the civilized world.

Do you know I can top my credit card at 30 grand and say I have no money to repay and nothing will happen? I can then RE-APPLY to the same bank and do same trick every 5 years?? True stuff mate, it ain't a criminal offence, the police have nothing to do with it so nobody can even force entry into your home, lol don't get me started on this shit on a public forum.

LazyHippy · 06-19-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpc

Do you know I can top my credit card at 30 grand and say I have no money to repay and nothing will happen? I can then RE-APPLY to the same bank and do same trick every 5 years?? True stuff mate, it ain't a criminal offence, the police have nothing to do with it so nobody can even force entry into your home, lol don't get me started on this shit on a public forum.

What bank are you with man? I want a bank that wouldn't chase me if I owed them 30 grand and didn't pay! You'd get a county court judgement, if you ignore that it becomes a criminal matter and the police would be involved. If you were using fake id then that would also be breaking criminal laws. Not to say the police would do anything though... prob all too busy stopping people smokin in pubs or some shit. It seems unlikely that they would force entry, but if you'd ignored court dates and a warrant was out for your arrest then I'm pretty sure they could.

Kinda sounds like your gettin into the dark world of identity theft... fuck that shit!

John · 06-19-2007, 03:53 PM

take their money then file for bankruptcy, and do it again in 5 years when you have rebuilt your credit.

crunchi · 06-20-2007, 04:21 AM

Easiest money ever

bluemagnet · 06-20-2007, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by crunchi

Easiest money ever

Your idea:
1. Signup with few CPL network companies
2. Create 100 email adresses all pointing to one
3. Choose offer above $2.00 per lead where you just need email and ZIP code
4. Signup with 100 emails to this offer
5. Secure your money..

...ain't that great. It's like clicking your own google ads. Or is it? If there really is some CPL networks with crap security and no fraud detection then let me know.

halfpc · 06-20-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LazyHippy

What bank are you with man? I want a bank that wouldn't chase me if I owed them 30 grand and didn't pay! You'd get a county court judgement, if you ignore that it becomes a criminal matter and the police would be involved. If you were using fake id then that would also be breaking criminal laws. Not to say the police would do anything though... prob all too busy stopping people smokin in pubs or some shit. It seems unlikely that they would force entry, but if you'd ignored court dates and a warrant was out for your arrest then I'm pretty sure they could.

Kinda sounds like your gettin into the dark world of identity theft... fuck that shit!

I actually learned about this dark world you are on about by studying English Law. You can do it too, buy a copy of the "Butterworth Police Law Book" put it in your bog and pick it up every time you take a dump. It's all quite simple really, and it takes all fears and guesswork out of the equation.
here's a quick link Law - Oxford University Press - UK General Catalogue

halfpc · 06-20-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John

take their money then file for bankruptcy, and do it again in 5 years when you have rebuilt your credit.

yep,that's about it. Except in the UK you don't need to formally file for bankrupcy, you simply declare yourself "penniless" to anyone that asks you for money and that is it.

I never did this myself but I know people who do it constantly, these are upstanding citizen who are NOT running from anyone. One is even working for one of the banks he regularly rips off.

Alpha55 · 06-21-2007, 08:46 PM

In the US the bankruptcy ploy will cost you 10 years of terrible credit.

halfpc · 06-22-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha55

In the US the bankruptcy ploy will cost you 10 years of terrible credit.

the word "ploy" sounds like a stratagem, I am talking about misfortune here.

don't know the laws in the US but don't they go for bankruptcy when they owe money, have no money to pay back but have assets and want to keep the assets?

What happens then if they have no assets to their name? Do they still have to go for bankrupcy?

smaxor · 06-22-2007, 09:28 PM

sucks someone lost there job, just I sure wish this would stop staying at the top. Just depresses me every time I read it.

mckay · 07-11-2007, 11:24 PM

what happens with the OP?

do you already took action and got another job?

C'mon, man, don't be such a wuss and get over it. Shit happens all the time. Stop crying and take action!

mckay

trigatch4 · 07-12-2007, 12:13 AM

^^^^^^

STFU

mckay · 07-12-2007, 12:57 AM

you STFU. What? r u the owner of free speech?

Rob_TID · 07-12-2007, 01:54 AM

If I needed money quick, I would offer my services as a writer on a few internet forums. Do that for a few weeks to pay the rent, then step up to affiliate marketing.

trigatch4 · 07-12-2007, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mckay

you STFU. What? r u the owner of free speech?

Being a jackass is fine... especially on WF... but with a topic like this...cmon people show a little bit of sensitivity. And by the way, yes, I am the owner of free speech.

LazyHippy · 07-12-2007, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by halfpc

yep,that's about it. Except in the UK you don't need to formally file for bankrupcy, you simply declare yourself "penniless" to anyone that asks you for money and that is it.

Is that right?? Doesn't suppose you've got a link or anything? There's some people I could really do with getting off my back at the mo - saying I can't pay hasn't really helped!

I've got a friend who played the game very well, credit card after credit card, paid them with each other. Got up to about £50k and declared herself bankrupt... I just didn't pay shit, owed loads but not enough to go for bankruptcy.

halfpc · 07-12-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LazyHippy

Is that right?? Doesn't suppose you've got a link or anything? There's some people I could really do with getting off my back at the mo - saying I can't pay hasn't really helped!

I've got a friend who played the game very well, credit card after credit card, paid them with each other. Got up to about £50k and declared herself bankrupt... I just didn't pay shit, owed loads but not enough to go for bankruptcy.

I did post a link to the "butterworth police law" book, which goes by another name now.
That's the only book you need, it is written for policemen so very easy for everyone to understand.
If it is written in there, you just quote it in court and you are the man.
But more to your question, you say that you saying you have no money didn't help... well what did they do, get any? because then you were lying when saying you had no money and in that case you might even get locked up, because you do not lie about this stuff.
If you have no money you can only say the truth, whether they like it or not it'll have to do.
I wouldn't suggest anyone to go for bankrupcy unless they bankrupt the Ltd Company of which they where directors, in that case that's ok.
Basically you truly have to own nothing, in that case you just pay a fiver a week, or a month.
If you own anything then they come and take it.
That's good too, let them have the couch. But you will open the door only if you want to. It's all in the book if you ever get it.
If you are a driver, the book it's as good as gold.

minger · 07-12-2007, 11:03 AM

trigatch, u might own free speech but i own your pub-3288408743021834 ?

TruthsAreUs · 07-12-2007, 11:13 AM

As with most things (especially "monetizing the web"), desperation is a great motivator. Treat it like a job, work 8-16 hours a day, and you'll make more money for yourself than you did at your old job.

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