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Old 08-24-2011, 10:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Orly Censorship much? lulz

http://www.convert2media.com/blog/20...-veil-pierced/

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Old 08-24-2011, 10:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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the post here was also deleted ( so i heard )
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Old 08-24-2011, 10:54 AM   #3 (permalink)
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^^ ya I see that now... maybe I shouldn't have posted, no idea what may be going on behind the scenes, sometimes shit happens ya know. (emotions can come quick, but regretful once attorneys get involved) Mods feel free to delete if needed.
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Last time I heard, Jon really doesn't like it when shit gets deleted here. Personally, I don't either. If I could find it, I would reopen it. But in lieu of that, here ya go:

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Old 08-24-2011, 11:25 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Obviously someone regretted posting what they posted, so being a moderator they deleted what they deleted...

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Old 08-24-2011, 11:32 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Not cool with deleting the thread. If someone posts something on their blog they do it for a reason. Its one thing for C2M to delete it from their website but to have the thread just vanish and disaper on WF is not cool. Deleting it is a big mistake in my opinion when copies of the article are poping up everywhere.

Why shouldn't publishers and advertisers be able to know the truth? Why shouldn't members of this forum be able to know the truth? Unless their site was hacked and Ruck didn't post it, there is no way in hell it should be censored here
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Old 08-24-2011, 11:36 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Who even knows if Jon pays attention to stuff like this anymore. It used to be mods couldn't abuse their position to do shit like that. For crissakes, there are tons of shit threads worth deleting.

I'd like to see the mod who deleted do some fucking work around here and clean up all the garbage.

This forum has been headed in the wrong direction for some time. It sucks, because it used to be great.
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This shit is crazy. C2M had huge build up for ASE and then all of sudden it seems the bottom is falling out. What I have not liked is that my AM has disappeared. No contact through email or skype and I am discussing business not the drama. I thought it was ASE for the reason of no response but now me thinks differently.
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It’s unfortunate that yesterday during the last day of the Affiliate Summit East tradeshow a private meeting was held between the current COO Steve Howe, the current CFO Michael Durham and the current CEO Ralph Ruckman whereas I stated and held a discussion to potentially plan an exit from the Convert2Media Affiliate Network. As with a lot of Networks in this Industry over the last year, I felt that the company was not only being mismanaged from a Corporate point of view but the network had become something I no longer wished to have daily involvement with.

In true immature fashion, I waited throughout the night for a “lockout” which is typically Steve Howe’s idea of ending business on a level of maturity that can only be compared to that of an infant and that is exactly what has happened. Where we go from here, well, unfortunately with a deliberate piercing of the corporate veil, I believe that the advertisers, affiliates and staff of C2M will face intense scrutiny publically on the actions of just a couple.

I personally have worked long and hard alongside my partners and staff of C2M to build one of the most solid Affiliate Networks in the Industry and after trying to bring the situation privately to my partners at first to avoid any miscommunication and drama, it has now come to this without warning.

I promise to do everything in my power to restore the reputation of the C2M network, however apparently until legal counsel is notified and now gets involved, I would like everyone to know that this is the current situation.

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Old 08-24-2011, 11:56 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I for one don't give a shit if I get banned for posting this but I don't believe in all this censorship BS if this post gets deleted then I dont want to be a member here anyways.


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Old 08-24-2011, 12:00 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I noticed that the image in the about the author on all the blog posts prior to the above one have this pic



That's not Ruck is it?

Maybe the site has been hacked?? But then why delete the WF post and not just reply to it?? Very odd
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It's shit like this that makes me only work with the ROIShare network.
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Pretty weird turn of events. All I know is my AM over there is legit and it sounds like there's nothing to worry about, just some inner turmoil. This kind of stuff happens, unfortunately. Best of luck to both parties.
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Who even knows if Jon pays attention to stuff like this anymore. It used to be mods couldn't abuse their position to do shit like that. For crissakes, there are tons of shit threads worth deleting.

I'd like to see the mod who deleted do some fucking work around here and clean up all the garbage.

This forum has been headed in the wrong direction for some time. It sucks, because it used to be great.
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the question is, why isnt guerilla mod yet?
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I don't think mods should have ANY financial interests with WF aside from keeping it clean...

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No xrumer guys, no network owners. You're just giving the henhouse to the foxes.

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I'd say guerilla (and select other providers) commands enough respect around here to overlook that, but in general, agreed.
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What a mess boy do you guys/girls really love the drama over here on wickedfire. Regardless, as you have seen or heard by now about the early morning blog post to which I along with the rest of the company woke up to this morning there have been some changes to the partnership behind the Convert2Media Affiliate Network. I am replying to this from the airport on my iPhone befor it spins any further out of control.

While I can not go into the very details as we have not made any official changes legally to the operating agreements or signed papers between partners.

One thing that is certain is that Ruck told Michael Durham and myself that he was stepping down as CEO of Convert2Media to pursue other business ventures. As some of you are aware Ruck and Ryan have formed a paid forum and coaching / seminar style business to which they both wish to focus their full-time and attention towards. Michael and I were both happy for Ruck and his new venture.

In effort to protect the integrity of the business some permissions were removed along with sone other security measures as any business owner would see proper in such a situation. As a result a blog post was fired off to which was very unprofessional and after a long meeting this morning was removed along with the thread in this forum by Ruck who is a MOD.

While Convert2Media is a healthy, growing business with stronger than ever financials in the affiliate marketing industry we wish to keep our business private vs aired out as dirty laundry on the forums.

If you are an affiliate who was previously assigned to Ruck or Ryan Gray you will be having your account reassigned to another manager. Please contact myself or another member of our team to request a specific manager.

In other news we are hiring experienced affiliate manager to work from our Orlando, Florida office feel free to contact me directly if you are interested.

In the meantime for these of you who made it to Affiliate Summit thanks for stopping by and we look forward to continuing to grow and strengthen our relationship with you and your companies!

Feel free to contact me if you have any further questions.

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Anyone running a business who markets to those on Wickedfire and is a candidate for being a mod should have enough sense to not bastardize their homebase by abusing their mod powers.
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Ruck bailing on C2M to become a make money online guru selling paid forums and seminars. All I have to say is ...

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In a turning change of events, I’m disappointed to say that the actions of my partners Steve Howe and Michael Durham have now caused a turn of events that will not allow Ryan Gray an affiliate manager of Convert2Media and myself Ralph Ruckman, the current Chief Executive Officer of the Convert2Media Affiliate Network to no longer be able to participate in the daily operations of the Convert2Media Affiliate Network.

It’s unfortunate that yesterday during the last day of the Affiliate Summit East tradeshow a private meeting was held between the current COO Steve Howe, the current CFO Michael Durham and the current CEO Ralph Ruckman whereas I stated and held a discussion to potentially plan an exit from the Convert2Media Affiliate Network. As with a lot of Networks in this Industry over the last year, I felt that the company was not only being mismanaged from a Corporate point of view but the network had become something I no longer wished to have daily involvement with.

In true immature fashion, I waited throughout the night for a “lockout” which is typically Steve Howe’s idea of ending business on a level of maturity that can only be compared to that of an infant and that is exactly what has happened. Where we go from here, well, unfortunately with a deliberate piercing of the corporate veil, I believe that the advertisers, affiliates and staff of C2M will face intense scrutiny publically on the actions of just a couple.

I personally have worked long and hard alongside my partners and staff of C2M to build one of the most solid Affiliate Networks in the Industry and after trying to bring the situation privately to my partners at first to avoid any miscommunication and drama, it has now come to this without warning.

I promise to do everything in my power to restore the reputation of the C2M network, however apparently until legal counsel is notified and now gets involved, I would like everyone to know that this is the current situation.


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I don't know the situation at all but it makes sense to separate the two companies though. You can't run an affiliate network then turn around and go forum guru. Whose campaigns/techniques are you selling?
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Ryan reached out to me about it last night... I figured it was going to be a no drama mutual agreement among the guys from C2M, with some official statement on Sept 1st.

Ruck, I love ya dude, but you seriously need to stop getting so emotional, and separate business from personal issues. I learned the hard way myself, seems you will too.

Ruck did make a thread voicing his not so keen view on the matter. Steve hit me up this morning about it. I was in bed and not moving (5 hrs of sleep in 48 hrs - priorities bitches.)

This should have been a private matter. Dealt privately among those involved.

Steve, much respect as always to you too, but rules are rules. This thread should not have been deleted, and as for Ruck, this isn't the first time we're having this issue. Plus with the IM Grind deal, while I seriously do respect your new venture, and I like both you and Ryan a lot, you're no longer going to be a moderator here due to the conflict of interest. Its not personal, just business. We don't charge for forum info here, you do. I hope you guys bank hard as hell at what you're doing too. I really mean it.

The thread should be reinstated and locked, but not deleted. Its not a freedom of speech or censorship thing, its the fact that everyone must be held accountable for their actions, and if that means it teaches them to think before they act, then so be it, learn the lesson.

With that said.. two new moderators are being added to this forum with the exit of Ruck and Eli (both created new forums of their own, I have nothing but respect for both and wish nothing but great things for them so long as they keep being honest and fair.)

And the two new additions to replace those two powerhouses are the following all-stars that I admire and respect for a long time now:

Ryan Eagle & Eleah Portillo.

I'll make an intro thread about it later.
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Pace can suck a bull's cock and still no one would be shocked by it.

That's how "respected" he is.

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i don't have a forum. I help a friend of mine with the technical issues of his forum. I'm not even very active on it. But yeah I stopped being a mod here about 3 months ago.

I still love you all but I've been wanting to stop modding for almost a year now. I got known as the mod who's always online working and thats a bad situation for productivity on my personal projects I only hung in there for as long as i did for the sake of the community and making sure a proper replacement was found.

So Ya'll can quit msging me about your thread problems anytime
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so to sum it up
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