taktikz

Fucking ridiculous how this is even illegal in some states.

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ahijodedios

bullshit, I could see them just trying to make quota, but 75 years..

suave

SCUMBAG UNITED STATES

passes Patriot Act allowing warrantless wire tapping of it's citizens
then
makes it illegal to record public officials in public

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MyOwnDemon

Not going to stick and dude won't go to prison, but still pretty bullshit.

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d_diggler

I'd assume this will fail legally on the basis the recording took place in public - and so the 'information / media' was already public and so eavesdropping was impossible given anyone on the street would hear / see what was going on.

The fact the state prosecutor is spending public money to scare people to protect local government and members of the executive is amazing.

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crackp0t

Wow, that's complete and utter bullshit. It's amazing why they wonder why no one trusts or likes the police any more.

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PatPirate

This is one of these reports from the USA that makes me glad I don't live there. Recording illegal activities of police officers is... illegal now? Give me a fucking break!

moratraffic

Prison Planet.com » Appeals Court Rules It Is Not Illegal To Film Police

Appeals court has ruled that you can film police and that it is a right to do so under the First Amendment. It will probably go to the SCOTUS but I can't see how they would rule against an obvious First Amendment protection.

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Zotty

Surely there would be no way this would ever go through.

If an innocent man like this got sent down I would hope there would be uproar country wide.

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Otinsdale

yeah, a might uproar. twitter will be ablaze for 5 minutes.

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Jeeta

The US is becoming more communist everyday.

richcam

Yeah, stupid USA, in other countries the police would just shoot you, no drama

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suave

I believe that this statement is not only incorrect, but is using dangerous logic.

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seolinker

Indeed. That case described is more common in Russia/Ukraine. Even not up to so extreme level. WOW, just WOW

BlokBlok

fucking bullshit man, big government breathing down our necks taking away more and more rights

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I have a question for those of you who are enraged about this story:

You clearly believe a person has the right to film cops,* and are understandably angered by the idea of imprisoning someone for exerting that right. Are you equally enraged by the state's violation of countless other rights?

Or is your opinion on this matter informed only by disdain for cops?




* Whether that right is protected by the Constitution and amendments is beside the point since such rights have been trampled upon for generations.

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music4mic

Maybe you could be a bit more specific, but I'm enraged about the shit I know about, especially the post 9/11 stuff like denying habeas corpus, warrantless wiretapping, etc.

Kind of curious, what specifically were you thinking about?

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REIMktg

Because the guy is going to be released then the overall system has worked. It is unfortunate that there are not repercussions against prosecutorial abuse. That is the real problem. The prosecutor gets to abuse their power and ruin the life of the individual without any personal liability.

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music4mic

Unless I missed something, we don't know that he's going to be released and could very well go to prison although I doubt it will be for 75 years.

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Crazydayz

Land of the FREE???

It's the new slave trade, hold out for the facts and figure at just over 2minutes.

clyde

inb4 London Riots reappear throughout USA major cities.

convert2seo

the land of the free has more imprisoned citizens that anywhere in the world

JakeStratham

You're absolutely right about post-9/11 stuff. The things you mentioned are maddening, especially because so many folks are not only okay with the state's intrusion into the lives of their neighbors, but promote it. One look at the various TSA threads reveals as much.

I was thinking about any action for which there are no direct victims. For example, carrying/smoking/dealing weed, drinking and driving, sodomy, riding a bike without a helmet, carrying a loaded firearm, etc.

In other words, do the folks in this thread believe that our rights are granted by charter? Instead of our being able to do what we please, and conducting voluntary transactions with others, we do as we're told.

Natural and legal rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If folks believe this, their outrage strikes me as odd since any action made illegal would, in essence, be revoked by charter. If not, I hope they are equally outraged by every other law that restricts our rights.

And that's what I had hoped to uncover.

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REIMktg

The problem I have with the above is that, if it is illegal, then it is illegal.

To say drinking and driving has no direct victims, well you are right, but .... use your common sense.

Same for carrying a loaded firearm.

If you do not like a law, change it. You have that right. But do not cry when the majority votes you down. We do have the power to change laws. The system is not broken, its the people in the system, you and I, that are broken.

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suave

So much of the political unrest in the United States could be solved by legalizing marijuana and head-mounted cameras for police officers.

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crackp0t

Don't even get me started on all the fucked up crap from the post-911 security theater.

Drinking and driving isn't always a victimless crime. The other things you mentioned I agree with being victimless and it's bullshit they should even be crimes.

I also think driving should be considered a right not a privilege when entire towns are designed around the premise of everyone owning a car and being able to drive, because denying someone access to driving in a lot of cases is a financial death sentence.

Our rights are being slowly eroded away and the population seems to be okay with it. They're using the LEOs and TSA to instill fear into the population and when they encounter someone they can't force to submit they do everything in their power to ruin their lives, because it makes an "example" out of them.

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crackp0t

Tell that to my friend who had his car so mangled you couldn't tell what it was. Oh that's right you can't, because he's dead.

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WhatupG

Welcome to China.

If you care about freedom at all, the fight for freedom is at home, not in some other country. The only people taking our freedom is our own damn government.

Sad that the sheeple just keep allowing more and more freedoms to be taken away. What is the use of having our men and women fight in other countries for our freedom if we are going to just allow this kind of bs. I am still amazed that the patriot act has stood for as long as it has unchallenged. Apathy is a dangerous thing.

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Choopa Phil

100% spot on...except someone other than the police force would have to be the ones to review these videos. either way there is bound to be some break down in the system and some form of corruption.

crackp0t

They have dash cam videos. Sometimes they manage to lose them, but it never seems to be when it would help anyone, but the police.

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REIMktg

no shit.

that was my point, common sense tells you that drinking and driving is a problem.

you missed my sarcasm apparently.

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I agree with this position:

Legalize Drunk Driving - Llewellyn H. Rockwell Jr. - Mises Daily

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REIMktg

and that is why your position will never garner majority support.

It is not reasonable to allow people to drive drunk. If I know a person is drunk am I supposed to wait until they swerve into oncoming traffic before I stop them? That is ludicrous.

This is the same as saying we should not have safety rules in the workplace, after all if the guy doesn't fall or die then it is ok - right?

It is this laissez faire attitude that allowed child labor to exist.

There are limits that must be placed on society. Proactive limits.

This is also why the passionate that are against government intrusion never make any progress - they push things too far. Take lessons from your liberal counterparts, take things one "right" at a time. That is how we lost our rights, now get them back, but do it correctly, not with extreme positions that will never see the light of day.

As I said before, the system is not broken, the people are. There is no law or right or anything else for that matter that we cannot take back if we are properly organized and if the we can win majority support in the court of public opinion.

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JakeStratham

As I'm sure you suspect, I disagree with nearly every statement in your post. Let's agree to disagree. There is no way I can justify spending the time to debate these points on an online forum. The ROI doesn't back out for me.

This is the reason I drop links - to give folks resources that offer ideas that may be new to them (for example, the ideas in Rockwell's piece linked above). Even if they wholeheartedly disagree with those ideas, they have at least been exposed to them.

And that's a start.

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crackp0t

I guess I did.

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kingfish

Sounds like a prime case for juror nullification. Hopefully there's one guy who's not retarded and knows how it works on the jury.

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Doc

There is a camera recording everyone of us every 15 feet. ATMs, security cameras, red light cameras, etc etc etc. Somewhere on here there was a security camera that caught a cop banging some chick on the hood of his car. So is the person who owns the camera a felon for recording that cop w/o his permission?

music4mic

I think that most people actually believe this at their core, but they've been told so frequently that there should be limitation on their freedom that they have a tough time rationalizing what that actually means. Propaganda is extremely powerful and even the most intelligent people are susceptible to it.

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crackp0t

What's funny is my dads generation grew up hearing how bad Russia was, because they made them show ids to travel and numerous other things. Now look what's going on here in the US.

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martinez79

This is what i think

TigerUK

in before best country in the world

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I'm not so sure people actually believe this at their core. I think their beliefs are informed by what they are told. As you say, propaganda is extremely powerful.

When I talk to folks (irl) about this stuff, I'm reminded of a (hypothetical) child who is told that she is stupid, ugly, and worthless throughout her life. In later years, she comes to believe she is stupid, ugly, and worthless. Same with voters. They believe that which they are told over and over. Like children.

It is what informs their perspective about rights (their own and those of their neighbors), laws, and the state's authority over their lives. Heck, people still think Lincoln was a wonderful president, that the war on the south was about freeing slaves, and that FDR pulled us from the depths of depression. Again, propaganda is extremely powerful.

So, when I see folks raging against the machine (in this case, regarding the "right" to film cops), I wonder what informs that perspective. Is it an understanding of natural rights versus legal rights? Or, is it merely emotion-driven blowback stemming from an affront to their personal (and inconsistent) notion of their rights? As I mentioned, once someone agrees that their rights are granted by charter, they essentially acquiesce that anything the state says goes. That is, until they "vote the bastards out," at which point voters replace them with a new set of bastards.

Here, I'll leave a relevant quote taken from this piece (which, by the way, is a good read that has very little to do with this discussion):



Sadly, the endurance of the oppressed - at least, in the U.S. - seems limitless.

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taktikz

Exactly my opinion. How is it that cops can sit outside bars/clubs waiting to catch someone get into their car and start swerving instead of doing everyone a favor and calling them a cab!

No, the government wants to jail you, fine you, and embarrass you.

Fucking bullshit.

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REIMktg

agreed with this. Preventative policing would be much better than the way it is done now - but the way it is done now meets everyone's quotas.

I know a guy that was sleeping it off, they rousted him, forced him to get moving, then stopped in 100 yards later. They knew what was up. Even the judge said in court it was a loser move by the cop - the guy was fined the minimum.

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music4mic

I don't think it's an understanding of natural versus legal rights. Most people haven't been taught the difference. But a fair question is what drives the emotional response? Is an affront to their personal (and yes, inconsistent) notion of rights not also an acknowledgement of their core natural right?

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JakeStratham

It's difficult to say. But even if a person's emotional response expresses a subconscious recognition of their natural rights, I have little faith in it. Here's why:

Emotions are not anchored to anything reliable. That means they can be easily manipulated, which results in a host of inconsistencies.

For example, a person may support property rights, but also support a $447 billion jobs plan. He might criticize the war in Iraq, but think we should support (lead) NATO in Libya. He may disapprove of a TSA agent sticking her fingers up his girlfriend's hoo-hah, but fully support cops conducting warrantless searches of suspects' cars. In effect, he doesn't know what he believes nor the reasons he believes the things he does.

And the worst part is this: an emotional person's position on any of these things is tenuous. That is because emotions are unreliable.

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Supra

Thats crazy. I doubt he will get 75 years though. But still...