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Need to setup a blog for the first time. Any real differences for a basic blog between Thesis and Genesis frameworks? On the surface it looks like Thesis might be better/easier to work with for simple sites (like what I'll be doing) and Genesis might be better for more complex sites. I'm sure either will work just fine for what I need, just curious what everyone thinks. The reviews I came across all seem so biased...

dreamache

Not sure about Genesis, but I recently worked with editing thesis and it was the biggest pain in my ass I've ever dealt with, haha. Just make sure you stick with the built in thesis theme editor and don't go tampering with actual files for design modifications.

spyjoe101

You could try using profits theme i find it very easy to use.

Beach Affiliate

Thesis can be a pain until you're familiar with the hooks. If you decide to work with it, save yourself a shitload of headaches by grabbing Thesis OpenHook and referencing the Hooks reference guide.

DanWesson

Thesis is nice, but I've been using the Catalyst theme a lot more lately. Really like it, and it's a bit easier for me to bend to my will than Thesis.

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emergent

just started working with genesis the other day, been cranking out some pretty nice sites with almost no effort. thats my vote.

Izaya

I prefer Thesis over genesis, but both fail in comparison to headway. Seriously get headway theme soooooo much better.

KristiH

I did a review of Thesis vs. Genesis head to head. I always tell people to go with Genesis for the pre-built designs, Thesis for minimalism (unless you can do your own designing).

Thesis vs Genesis – Comparing Premium WordPress Themes

I've only done a little with Headway. I know someone who bought it because it is supposedly easier for first time WordPress users, but she was having a very difficult time even getting basic things done with it.

Beach Affiliate

Look at you with one post dropping links back to your blog like a baus.

cliqz

a boss would have realized it's a worthless redirect link.

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lasermarket

My OPINION is that you should take a little bit of time out of your day and read a few chapters from a wordpress site building book, and if you cant get your hands on one there is a lot of free content online.

I use to ask people to help me tweak wordpress sites to the way that I want them because I didn't know how to add two simple words to a specific area.

Now it's easy shit.

Oh, and i started out using the thesis theme.

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KristiH

I tried to PM it first. Apparently I don't have the rights to do that yet.

KristiH

I didn't do it for SEO value - I did it to answer the OP's question, so a redirect doesn't matter to me.

avatar33

Nothing like the native Twenty Eleven theme. It's light, fast and simple. Easy to edit in the back-end too. I feel like most themes today are overcomplicating things, adding a ton of options that we don't give a shit about. If I need anything custom I'll modify it in the back-end myself.

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tangy

I couldn't agree more with this statement. I made some very easy changes to twenty eleven and now it's the theme I use for a lot of sites. It's insanely fast to edit and it looks good enough

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emp

Why the hate on KristiH? The blog post is long and helpful and a link never hurt anyone.
Hoep she contributes more, but Kristi, maybe write some more detailed answers here to ease into things.

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Andrew Scherer

i have used both and prefer genesis

like dreamache said, thesis is difficult to customize

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webthisway

Best response by a 1 post member I have ever seen. Also the most detailed answer I have seen to a question in some time.

Welcome KristiH. Pay no attention to the trolls.

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mpbiz

+1 for profits theme

webthisway

Genesis
- Solid code that is very well supported.
- Lots of great themes that are very adjustable.
- Large community of people that are building cool things to work within the framework.
- When I used thesis, I spent too much time screwing with the theme. Time needed elsewhere in the project.

If you want the full story, see the blog post by KristiH above. I agree with most everything in it.

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statelizard

Thesis is a piece of shit unless you're a developer. And even then it takes too much time to sort out the stupid fucking way they designed it. It's great if you want a fast theme that looks like every other thesis theme on the interwebz. By the time you have something that looks halfway presentable it's bloated and slow as shit. You may as well have spent all that time coding a theme from scratch and selling that motherfucker.

The only redeeming quality Thesis had was it's built in SEO boxes. The masses all ohhed and awwed becasue chris put some fucking meta boxes in it. CongratuFUCKINGlations. And it hasn't been updated in over a year, "but don't worry ya'll the SUPER DUPER THESIS 2.0 will be out soon" ~ Chris P circa last fucking January 2011 or earlier.

"Hey hopefully Thesis 2.0 will be in a BETA by next month" ~ Chris P circa a couple of days ago.

In other words, go with something else, really go with pretty much anything else. At least they're supported. Thesis 2.0 is the DUKENUKEM FOREVER of Wordpress themes. Just Vapor that shit already.

And to top it off Chris comes off as a total douche in every interview he gives. He's a used car salesman that keeps company (and used to run a company) with other douches like SUPER DUPER PROBLOGGER Brian Clark for fucks sake.

Not hatin', just tellin' it like it is. I give him props for make a boatload of cash, but that doesn't mean he's any less of a douchey flake.

tavin

KristiH Tits or GTFO

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tonymontana

Used to use Thesis, switched over to Genesis now. I like Genesis more. The education theme by them is pretty clean.

I see a few people here mentioned Headway. I'll have to check that out as well.

Tro Shi

Thesis is a huge pain to customize. Go with genesis.

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RandTheRand

Thesis is a great theme, just need to dedicate a hour or so to learn to use it properly.

mimoza3

I work with both, in the last couple of months I prefer Thesis, but both are good.

omgyams

Ignore the shitheads. Damn nice writeup. May I suggest a thesis vs genesis vs headway review?

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adamx12m

+1 catalyst, does quite a bit out of the box, great hook interface for code & css, forum support only but it's very good.

pinchyfingers

I find Thesis very easy, what is it that everyone finds so difficult about it? It took me about 30 minutes to get how it works and anything I can't figure out I find via Google fairly quickly.