PPP Poll: Ron Paul takes lead in Iowa - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum

ayzo · 12-19-2011, 03:06 AM

He may actually pull it off...

Paul leads in Iowa - Public Policy Polling

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Newt Gingrich's campaign is rapidly imploding, and Ron Paul has now taken the lead in Iowa. He's at 23% to 20% for Mitt Romney, 14% for Gingrich, 10% each for Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, and Rick Perry, 4% for Jon Huntsman, and 2% for Gary Johnson.

Gingrich has now seen a big drop in his Iowa standing two weeks in a row. His share of the vote has gone from 27% to 22% to 14%. And there's been a large drop in his personal favorability numbers as well from +31 (62/31) to +12 (52/40) to now -1 (46/47). Negative ads over the last few weeks have really chipped away at Gingrich's image as being a strong conservative- now only 36% of voters believe that he has 'strong principles,' while 43% think he does not.

Paul's ascendancy is a sign that perhaps campaigns do matter at least a little, in a year where there has been a lot of discussion about whether they still do in Iowa. 22% of voters think he's run the best campaign in the state compared to only 8% for Gingrich and 5% for Romney. The only other candidate to hit double digits on that question is Bachmann at 19%. Paul also leads Romney 26-5 (with Gingrich at 13%) with the 22% of voters who say it's 'very important' that a candidate spends a lot of time in Iowa. Finally Paul leads Romney 29-19 among the 26% of likely voters who have seen one of the candidates in person.

Paul's base of support continues to rely on some unusual groups for a Republican contest. Among voters under 45 he's at 33% to 16% for Romney and 11% for Gingrich. He's really going to need that younger than normal electorate because with seniors Romney's blowing him out 31-15 with Gingrich coming in 2nd at 18%. Paul is also cleaning up 35-14 with the 24% of voters who identify as either Democrats or independents. Romney is actually ahead 22-19 with GOP voters. Young people and non-Republicans are an unusual coalition to hang your hat on in Iowa, and it will be interesting to see if Paul can actually pull it off.

Romney's vote share is up 4 points from a week ago to 20% from it previous 16% standing. His favorability numbers have improved a little bit as well from 48/44 to 49/40. One thing Romney really has going for him is more room for growth than Paul. Among voters who say they're not firmly committed to their current candidate choice, Romney is the second choice for 19% compared to 17% for Perry, 15% for Bachmann, and only 13% for Paul. It's particularly worth noting that among Gingrich- who seems more likely to keep falling than turn it around- voters, he's the second choice of 30% compared to only 11% for Paul.

In addition to having more support right now Paul also has firmer support (73% solidly committed) than Romney does (68% solidly committed.) But at the same time Romney appears to have more room for growth, which could allow him to overtake Paul in the last two weeks.

Two other notes on Romney: he's now winning the electability primary- 25% of voters think he would have the best chance to defeat Obama compared to 17% for Gingrich and 16% for Paul. And he also leads Paul 24-18 among voters who watched the Sioux City debate on Thursday night, confirming general perception that he had the stronger performance.

The rest of the field isn't getting much traction. Among the three candidates tied at 10%, Santorum has gained a couple points compared to last week, Perry has moved up a single point, and Bachmann is down a point. There is some indication that Iowans are warming up to Perry a little bit. He's gone from a -4 (43/47) favorability to a +8 (48/40).

With six candidates in double digits there are still a lot of different things that could happen the final two weeks in Iowa. But it looks like Paul and Romney have emerged as the clear front runners.

Obviously you can expect the same hatchet job the party leaders unleashed on Newt so it will be interesting to see how long his new supporters stick around or if they jump ship once swift boat style ads are launched by the other candidates.

ly2 from WF · 12-19-2011, 03:15 AM

Many of his "supporters" will probably jump ship once the real election starts and they go into the booth to vote Obama. Happened last time and I see no reason why it won't happen this time. Liberals love to talk him up and suck his balls to try and fuck up and confuse the right and then soon as the game really starts, they unleash their hate about him believing in God, thinking abortions are not OK, and then all the racist attacks. Would be funny though if they over did it and actually help him beat Obama.

conv3rsion · 12-19-2011, 12:47 PM

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Many of his "supporters" will probably jump ship once the real election starts and they go into the booth to vote Obama. Happened last time and I see no reason why it won't happen this time. Liberals love to talk him up and suck his balls to try and fuck up and confuse the right and then soon as the game really starts, they unleash their hate about him believing in God, thinking abortions are not OK, and then all the racist attacks. Would be funny though if they over did it and actually help him beat Obama.

you can be fairly liberal and agree with Ron Paul more than any democrat. I think myself and Turbo fall into that category. At least if Ron Paul wins his party's nomination then people have a real choice

MSTeacher · 12-19-2011, 01:10 PM

megatabbers · 12-19-2011, 02:32 PM

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If Ron Paul Wins Iowa It Doesn't Count - Fox News - YouTube

I would so love to take a 2x4 to Chris Wallace's face... fucking faggot.

guerilla · 12-19-2011, 02:34 PM

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Many of his "supporters" will probably jump ship once the real election starts and they go into the booth to vote Obama.

Maybe they will.

If you like what Ron Paul has to say, any success he gets and the deeper he runs is a win. It's not like any of the other Republicans were going to beat Obama. I'm not sure anyone can beat Obama, he's the best campaigner America has had since Reagan.

lukep · 12-19-2011, 02:45 PM

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If Ron Paul Wins Iowa It Doesn't Count - Fox News - YouTube

Gotta love YT...

Even when he doesn't agree with RP on issues like smaller government, he still calls bullshit on the press when they do things like this.

What's next for the media after RP starts winning multiple caucuses? "Um, well, Caucuses don't matter at all, never did, because RP still has 0 chance to win the election!"

music4mic · 12-19-2011, 02:51 PM

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I would so love to take a 2x4 to Chris Wallace's face... fucking faggot.

Haha, this. I hate that fucker.

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What's next for the media after RP starts winning multiple caucuses? "Um, well, Caucuses don't matter at all, never did, because RP still has 0 chance to win the election!"

It's already backfiring for them and I don't think they know how to react.

Deliguy · 12-19-2011, 03:19 PM

BAM!

guerilla · 12-19-2011, 03:25 PM

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New Hampshire Republican Presidential Preference Primary

JakeStratham · 12-19-2011, 03:55 PM

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American Research Group, NH

New Hampshire Republican Presidential Preference Primary

The Tea Party has devolved into a major disappointment. Its support of Romney and Newt (4th grid) isn't unexpected given both candidates' support of the military. But still, disgusting.

From Pew:

Rexibit · 12-19-2011, 04:00 PM

This just in: Ron Paul can not be trusted. He's never changed his views and seems to genuinely care about this country and your well-being, so he's not like any other self-respecting, decent candidate. If he wins Iowa, it doesn't count because he's not mainstream enough to be our president. The Media will now return you to your regularly schedule brainwashing of "Vote Romney or Newt", because we want to return to business as usual and can't handle giving Ron Paul air-time to push his views to the masses if he becomes the nominee.

guerilla · 12-19-2011, 05:15 PM

Great article

Honesty won't win an election

jeffrey · 12-19-2011, 05:40 PM

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Great article

Honesty won't win an election

Good Find. I'm finding myself drawn to the ideals of Ron Paul every single time I hear him speak.

Moxie · 12-19-2011, 05:58 PM

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The Tea Party has devolved into a major disappointment. Its support of Romney and Newt (4th grid) isn't unexpected given both candidates' support of the military. But still, disgusting.

From Pew:

So 66% percent of people want to reduce military overseas (which would require less spending), but only 30% say they want to cut back on spending? LOL.

I'd like to see a survey asking people how much they would be willing to give out of their pocket if the military was totally funded by donations.

Yaxxx · 12-19-2011, 06:02 PM

If he wins Iowa he has a good chance of winning plenty more by getting voters who currently are in the mindset of 'I like him but he doesn't have a chance'.

/semidrunkbritfagouttie

lose lose win · 12-19-2011, 07:05 PM

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BAM!

YES! Awesome pic.

I have a man crush on RP.

Dresden14 · 12-19-2011, 09:45 PM

I hope he does win...
Step 1: Win Presidency
Step 2: Deport the illegals according to his policy
Step 3: Profit

darbsllim · 12-19-2011, 10:14 PM

I love this guy. Subscribed to both his youtube channels.

crackp0t · 12-19-2011, 11:05 PM

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This just in: Ron Paul can not be trusted. He's never changed his views and seems to genuinely care about this country and your well-being, so he's not like any other self-respecting, decent candidate. If he wins Iowa, it doesn't count because he's not mainstream enough to be our president. The Media will now return you to your regularly schedule brainwashing of "Vote Romney or Newt", because we want to return to business as usual and can't handle giving Ron Paul air-time to push his views to the masses if he becomes the nominee.

Fox News is already starting this shit. Probably because they seem him wining Iowa and don't like it.

Fox News - Why Ron Paul Isn't Presidential Material

1yerrot · 12-19-2011, 11:19 PM

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Fox News is already starting this shit. Probably because they seem him wining Iowa and don't like it.

Fox News - Why Ron Paul Isn't Presidential Material

Why are they trying to make an issue out of his son-in-law's past history? What does that have to do with him? He's not even a blood relative and RP says that they don't even speak and haven't spoken since 2003.

Fox has their own narrative.

Once again, they are living up to their name, FAUX NEWS.

Napolean · 12-20-2011, 07:19 AM

sigh... here is the MSM's next angle of attack

[FAKE VIDEO]

none the less: News from The Associated Press

so now they are going to try to say Ron Paul won because the polls were hacked?

guerilla · 12-20-2011, 11:57 AM

The smears are out in force for the next couple weeks. The Republican establishment is threatened by a youth vote that has not been sufficiently Hannitized in party dogma.

It's going to get very interesting. If Paul's support is soft, he'll fall apart in the next 2 weeks. If his support is solid (his broad base) then he will power through, and after this round of attacks, they have nothing left to throw at him.

I for one, enjoy the entire show. I don't know if Paul can get elected, but I love seeing all of the cockroaches scurrying to disavow and attack him. He's not even trying to fuck them up, and they are all fucked up, so much so, that some Republicans are now saying they would vote for Obama over Paul, and the Iowa Governator claims that if Paul wins his state, that means Iowa should be ignored.

Funny how none of them have any populist or democratic values at the end of the day... not that we don't know that. Politicians are self serving criminals. The beauty of this is that they have to publicly and obviously repudiate their legitimacy in order to continue serving themselves.

There isn't room for all of these mental midgets and pygmies in a Ron Paul political order. This is the sound the system makes when its backed into the corner of inevitability.

music4mic · 12-20-2011, 12:27 PM

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I for one, enjoy the entire show. I don't know if Paul can get elected, but I love seeing all of the cockroaches scurrying to disavow and attack him.

Agreed. The damage is being done simply by his popularity growing. For people who doubted how screwed up and corrupt the whole system is, it is now becoming even more apparent. You really have to spell it out for some people and that's exactly what this does. I would obviously love to see him win because it would be amazing, but just watching them scurry is fun.

Rexibit · 12-20-2011, 12:38 PM

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Rachel Maddow again devoted some significant time last night to the disconnect between the coverage Ron Paul gets in the media (in this case, specifically on Fox News) vs. his consistently strong poll numbers (in this case Iowa, where the latest PPP poll numbers put him in the lead, though worth Maddow later joins the chorus of people noting that Iowa actually isn't that important).

Says Maddow:

"It's possible to be the front-runner in Iowa without winning the Murdoch primary. Without getting Fox News on your side. To spend a little time trolling through Fox News channel news scripts on lexusnexus searching for the words Ron Paul shows what it means in 2011 to lose the Fox/Murdoch primary...If Fox News channel is talking smack about a particular republican candidate, the candidate they're likely talking smack about is Ron Paul."

Maddow attributes the tone of the coverage to the fact Ron Paul raises some uncomfortable truths about the contradictory state of the Republican party.

What's most interesting about Ron Paul is the extent to which his domestic stuff, his social issue libertarianism, his position on things like not just the war in Iraq but the war on drugs, calls out a really uncomfortable truth in modern republican politics which is Republicans want their brand to be small hands-off government. but the policies they support are more like big intrusive government.

Read more: RACHEL MADDOW: Ron Paul Has Lost The FOX News Primary

Too funny. Ron Paul is making them uncomfortable because he is pointing out the disconnect between what they're saying and what they're actually supporting.

JakeStratham · 12-20-2011, 12:41 PM

Had an odd conversation with a lady yesterday (mid-40s with 3 kids). We were discussing laws, taxes, the police force, war-making, and the truth about the state. The talk turned to POTUS...

Me: Do you know who Congressman Ron Paul is?

Her: Uh-uh.

Me: He is currently running for president. He's been a Congressman for decades.

Her: Oh! Yeah. He's the guy with glasses, right?

Me (on the inside): wtf?

It was a good reminder that some folks are completely uninformed, even with the talking heads spewing their lies. They toss their votes behind the most recognizable name, thinking their peers are doing the same (probably has something to do with social proof).

I made a sales pitch for Paul. Another guy was walking past and stopped to listen. After a few minutes, he says "I'm sold. Ron Paul's got my vote."

The ground war is fought one person at a time.

lukep · 12-20-2011, 02:17 PM

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sigh... here is the MSM's next angle of attack

#OpESR - Occupy Iowa Caucuses - YouTube [FAKE VIDEO]

...so now they are going to try to say Ron Paul won because the polls were hacked?

I'm not so sure that's a total fake... Obviously it isn't the "one solitary voice of Anonymous" (& when is the last time we heard the one solitary voice of anonymous speak?) but it sounds too damning and eye-opening to the common man out there to be made by the MSM... It offers a bit too many scary facts that the MSM has no interest in sharing with the populace.

I'd bet some well-meaning but not-quite-brilliant junior anon hacker put that out with nothing but the support of a few of his closest anon buddies. -Not smart enough to see the overall ramifications of this decision, but still meaning to help RP and America.

newjersey · 12-20-2011, 02:39 PM

dtea206 · 12-20-2011, 03:16 PM

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If he wins Iowa he has a good chance of winning plenty more by getting voters who currently are in the mindset of 'I like him but he doesn't have a chance'.

/semidrunkbritfagouttie

Stupid sheeple, hopefully now they will start to realize. Ron Paul is the only one with any kind chance at stealing (if you can even call it that) a significant % Obama's voters.

MSTeacher · 12-20-2011, 04:34 PM

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It's going to get very interesting. If Paul's support is soft, he'll fall apart in the next 2 weeks. If his support is solid (his broad base) then he will power through, and after this round of attacks, they have nothing left to throw at him.

Reminds me of last time around except this time there is noticeable broad force behind the hype. You're right, it's going to be an interesting couple weeks.

Rage9 · 12-20-2011, 04:59 PM

Will Ron Paul kill the caucuses? - Jonathan Martin and Alexander Burns - POLITICO.com

Run cockroaches run. Now if Paul wins they just ignore the caucuses? Lol. If anyone else won they'd be all over their nuts. The whole point of the caucuses is to tell the party who's getting the votes. Instead they will plug their ears like little kids and go, "na na na nanana na I can't hear you!".

kingofsp · 12-20-2011, 05:17 PM

People, for the most part, are little bitches. Politicians are in the same boat...but like times 10.

I know there is a lot of support for Ron Paul on this forum. And I know every few months somebody comes up with a plan to build spam links to his website or some shit. The time for that (if there ever was one) has passed.

He needs your money now. If you really believe in his campaign, you should donate. https://secure.ronpaul2012.com/

JakeStratham · 12-20-2011, 05:37 PM

Cafferty at CNN has been a constant Paul supporter. I am going to post one of today's blogs in its entirety below to save you the jump:

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What will happen to the Republican field if Ron Paul wins the Iowa caucuses?

Two weeks from now we'll know the answer, but as of this moment, Ron Paul is the odds-on favorite to win the Iowa caucuses. And that has many mainstream Republicans positively apoplectic.

Despite being largely ignored by the mainstream media, the 76-year-old congressman from Texas is at - or near - the top of polls in Iowa entering the homestretch in the first 2012 GOP race for the White House.

What's refreshing is Paul has done it the old-fashioned way, with a consistent message and the best outreach operation in Iowa.

Andrew Sullivan writes for The Daily Beast that Paul is generating enthusiasm and support among young voters and Democrats and independents ... in other words, voters who could help Republicans defeat President Barack Obama in November.

You would think that's just what the Republican Party is looking for - someone who could defeat Obama next year.

Not so fast. Republicans are already set to spin a Paul win in Iowa by basically ignoring it.

A Washington Examiner column by Timothy Carney suggests the primary contest will get "downright ugly" if Paul wins in Iowa.

Carney points to Pat Buchanan's New Hampshire victory in 1996, saying both the Republican establishment and the media rallied to end his campaign.

Carney says if Paul wins, his critics will imply he is "a racist, a kook, and a conspiracy theorist."

Whether the GOP establishment likes it or not, Paul has the power to shake things up if he wins in Iowa.

People in Iowa are rallying around someone who, for the first time in a long time, represents real change. And that has to scare the hell out of both parties.

Very interesting indeed.

lose lose win · 12-20-2011, 06:43 PM

Holy shit.. it's getting good.

dreamache · 12-20-2011, 07:03 PM

^- Cafferty is one of the very few people I could stand listening to on CNN when I watched it.

ayzo · 12-20-2011, 07:30 PM

Cafferty is right, if Paul does win there is going to be a big rush to discredit and ignore his victory. The narrative will be "omg Romney came in 2nd place with 20%, a month ago he was 4%, he's rapidly gaining support!"

If I was in the Ron Paul campaign, I'd start hinting that if he didn't get the nomination he would use his massive donor base and highly engaged backers to launch a 3rd party campaign in Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Nevada, and Arizona, all states that republicans must win in order to win the election.

music4mic · 12-20-2011, 07:33 PM

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I know there is a lot of support for Ron Paul on this forum. And I know every few months somebody comes up with a plan to build spam links to his website or some shit. The time for that (if there ever was one) has passed.

He needs your money now. If you really believe in his campaign, you should donate. https://secure.ronpaul2012.com/

agreed. He'll probably take Iowa... then it just comes down to will he have enough money to advertise in other key states like he has been in Iowa and NH.

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If I was in the Ron Paul campaign, I'd start hinting that if he didn't get the nomination he would use his massive donor base and highly engaged backers to launch a 3rd party campaign in Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Nevada, and Arizona, all states that republicans must win in order to win the election.

Republicans don't want to win. If they did, they'd be rallying behind RP.

PunchMyFace · 12-20-2011, 11:27 PM

This just proves that O'Reilly is a douche bag.

guerilla · 12-20-2011, 11:36 PM

Rage9 · 12-21-2011, 12:46 PM

Another poll putting Paul in 1st. Also showing very strong loyalty to those votes.

Vote 2012: Ron Paul Takes Lead in KCRG/Gazette/ISU Poll | KCRG-TV9 | Cedar Rapids, Iowa News, Sports, and Weather | Local News

dreamache · 12-21-2011, 01:23 PM

Last night before going to sleep I decided to see what the fuckfaces at CNN were saying.. In the 25 minutes I had it on..

"Ron Paul winning Iowa really doesn't mean much. A candidate has won Iowa before but also lost, you can't look much into it."

Then that red eye show came on.. and the host / other guy had a banter back n' forth about each other's past..

"Yeah, well I'll release that photo of you with Ron Paul back in the 90's"...
Other guy: "Ok, you win, I quit"

I wonder how much these networks are paid to shit on RP.

Napolean · 12-21-2011, 02:15 PM

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Last night before going to sleep I decided to see what the fuckfaces at CNN were saying.. In the 25 minutes I had it on..

"Ron Paul winning Iowa really doesn't mean much. A candidate has won Iowa before but also lost, you can't look much into it."

Then that red eye show came on.. and the host / other guy had a banter back n' forth about each other's past..

"Yeah, well I'll release that photo of you with Ron Paul back in the 90's"...
Other guy: "Ok, you win, I quit"

I wonder how much these networks are paid to shit on RP.

What's really interesting is Andy Levy was really excited about Ron Paul running and even went a whole show plugging "Ron Paul 2012" where ever he could.

Not sure if he got bitched by his bosses at or if he changed his mind.

There were also a few shows with Ann Coulter where Greg and Andy teamed up against her defending Libertarians. Asking questions like how she could still think the war on drugs was working. Pretty sure that Levy actually is a Libertarian, Greg may be too. But being on Fox News during election season, they haven't been showing it lately.

guerilla · 12-21-2011, 02:35 PM

It's not that people are being paid directly or getting explicit orders.

We don't need a conspiracy theory to address that the system is fundamentally a propaganda machine that the people operating even do not recognize because it is considered mainstream and authoritative.

These people are all acting out of self interest, repeating what they are paid to repeat.

The myth that the punditocracy have anything to say is silly. Bill O'Reilly is authoritative because he has a show, not because he is an expert on anything, or particularly notable for his own achievements. Likewise Rushbo and Hannity.

The system is ugly, counter-productive and dangerous. Paul is exposing this. Consistent with the threat, the system is seeking to minimize Paul's influence. Unfortunately for them, while they still may be the gatekeepers, the walls are in fact down.

30 years ago, there was only one opinion. Now there are millions. And the pundits lose their influence every single day.

JakeStratham · 12-21-2011, 03:00 PM

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And the pundits lose their influence every single day.

I agree. In my experience, it is better to avoid the conspiracy theory, and instead water the seeds of distrust regarding the media. A lot of folks sense the truth. The seeds are already planted in their minds. Just need to add water and nutrients...

"Have you ever wondered why the folks on TV seem to have nothing intelligent to say regarding important matters?"

"Have you ever listened to 10 minutes of "news" or commentary, and had trouble recalling anything of value?"

"Try this experiment... Watch CNN, NBC, Fox, or whatever your preferred flavor, for half an hour. Then, turn the TV off. Write down what you have learned. Are you impressed with it?"

"Is it time to consider other sources of news, commentary, and truth?"

music4mic · 12-21-2011, 04:06 PM

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We don't need a conspiracy theory to address that the system is fundamentally a propaganda machine that the people operating even do not recognize because it is considered mainstream and authoritative.

I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think it's far fetched to understand that the guys delivering the news are told how to spin a story by their producer. Their producer answers to someone higher up, and that person someone above them. It's not some crazy conspiracy theory, it's just the way business works.

Rage9 · 12-21-2011, 04:31 PM

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I agree with most of what you said, but I don't think it's far fetched to understand that the guys delivering the news are told how to spin a story by their producer. Their producer answers to someone higher up, and that person someone above them. It's not some crazy conspiracy theory, it's just the way business works.

This was posted before, but the guys at The Young Turks (when they where on MSNBC) where pressured hard by their producers because they where pissing off people in Washington.

MSTeacher · 12-21-2011, 06:30 PM

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We don't need a conspiracy theory to address that the system is fundamentally a propaganda machine that the people operating even do not recognize because it is considered mainstream and authoritative.

These people are all acting out of self interest, repeating what they are paid to repeat.

The myth that the punditocracy have anything to say is silly. Bill O'Reilly is authoritative because he has a show, not because he is an expert on anything, or particularly notable for his own achievements. Likewise Rushbo and Hannity.

They don't have shit to say but that doesn't stop them from being listened to unfortunately.

The cogs in the wheel, yeah they're not active participants in a conspiracy to lie to millions of people, clinking glasses after work on the prowess of their mind control efforts. But the top tier network producers, execs, and presenters, I consider them to be very much aware of the lies they tell, who they tell them for and why, and the power that their words have in maintaining the consensus trance. They can and should be defined as conspirators.

guerilla · 12-21-2011, 06:53 PM

Btw, I made this from a Washington Post (WaPo) photo gallery released last night. Please share it with all of the neocon idiots you know on facebook and fascist blogs like HotAir and RedState.

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Also, I would appreciate it if people could anchor this page for our friend Dick Morris.

lose lose win · 12-21-2011, 07:14 PM

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If I was in the Ron Paul campaign, I'd start hinting that if he didn't get the nomination he would use his massive donor base and highly engaged backers to launch a 3rd party campaign in Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Nevada, and Arizona, all states that republicans must win in order to win the election.

This idea is genius except for the fact it wouldn't matter. As long as RP doesn't get in that's a win for the establishment. Dem or repub, doesn't matter... same agenda.

Why do people always feel the need to preface shit with.. "oh this isn't a conspiracy theory" or "let's not get into conspiracy theories here"? As soone as people do that I think "conditioned"... hey here's a fucking news flash: There is a conspiracy, and it's not a theory. It's right the fuck in front of everyone's faces.

Not directed at you Ayzo

JakeStratham · 12-21-2011, 07:18 PM

Hold on tight. The machine is shifting into second gear...

Ron Paul Suddenly Doesn't Want to Talk to Reporters About His Racist Newsletters - Politics - The Atlantic Wire

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guerilla Amat Victoria Curam Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: No Posts: 7,604 iTrader: 88 / 100%	Great article Honesty won't win an election Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Change Your Life Twitter ^ YouTube Thank you for your attentiveness, the forward thrusters, engage on you busters, I cut the mustard.

12-19-2011, 06:02 PM	#16 (permalink)
Yaxxx #1 Handegg Hater Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,062 iTrader: 7 / 100%	If he wins Iowa he has a good chance of winning plenty more by getting voters who currently are in the mindset of 'I like him but he doesn't have a chance'. /semidrunkbritfagouttie Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Yo Momma.

12-19-2011, 09:45 PM	#18 (permalink)
Dresden14 Haters gonna H88 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,666 iTrader: 62 / 100%	I hope he does win... Step 1: Win Presidency Step 2: Deport the illegals according to his policy Step 3: Profit Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ AIM U/N: 'debt' ::emp:: is a fag and should be relieved of his mod authoritah. Likes to ban people who don't follow his corrupt, immoral, multiculturalist agenda in the STS section. Dick

12-19-2011, 10:14 PM	#19 (permalink)
darbsllim Canadian Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 651 iTrader: 1 / 100%	I love this guy. Subscribed to both his youtube channels. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Looking for Canadian PHP & Actionscript ninjas for full time work, PM me if you know someone looking for work on Facebook games!

12-20-2011, 07:19 AM	#22 (permalink)
Napolean Geriatric Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: New Peekamoose Posts: 480 iTrader: 0 / 0%	sigh... here is the MSM's next angle of attack #OpESR - Occupy Iowa Caucuses - YouTube [FAKE VIDEO] none the less: News from The Associated Press so now they are going to try to say Ron Paul won because the polls were hacked? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-20-2011, 11:57 AM	#23 (permalink)
guerilla Amat Victoria Curam Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: No Posts: 7,604 iTrader: 88 / 100%	The smears are out in force for the next couple weeks. The Republican establishment is threatened by a youth vote that has not been sufficiently Hannitized in party dogma. It's going to get very interesting. If Paul's support is soft, he'll fall apart in the next 2 weeks. If his support is solid (his broad base) then he will power through, and after this round of attacks, they have nothing left to throw at him. I for one, enjoy the entire show. I don't know if Paul can get elected, but I love seeing all of the cockroaches scurrying to disavow and attack him. He's not even trying to fuck them up, and they are all fucked up, so much so, that some Republicans are now saying they would vote for Obama over Paul, and the Iowa Governator claims that if Paul wins his state, that means Iowa should be ignored. Funny how none of them have any populist or democratic values at the end of the day... not that we don't know that. Politicians are self serving criminals. The beauty of this is that they have to publicly and obviously repudiate their legitimacy in order to continue serving themselves. There isn't room for all of these mental midgets and pygmies in a Ron Paul political order. This is the sound the system makes when its backed into the corner of inevitability. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Change Your Life Twitter ^ YouTube Thank you for your attentiveness, the forward thrusters, engage on you busters, I cut the mustard.

12-20-2011, 02:39 PM	#28 (permalink)
newjersey Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 220 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-20-2011, 04:59 PM	#31 (permalink)
Rage9 #1 Soccer Hater Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,175 iTrader: 13 / 93%	Will Ron Paul kill the caucuses? - Jonathan Martin and Alexander Burns - POLITICO.com Run cockroaches run. Now if Paul wins they just ignore the caucuses? Lol. If anyone else won they'd be all over their nuts. The whole point of the caucuses is to tell the party who's getting the votes. Instead they will plug their ears like little kids and go, "na na na nanana na I can't hear you!". Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ MadPPC.com - PPC, PHP, and other Affiliate Marketing tips. It's OK to be MAD!

12-20-2011, 05:17 PM	#32 (permalink)
kingofsp WF Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,270 iTrader: 37 / 100%	People, for the most part, are little bitches. Politicians are in the same boat...but like times 10. I know there is a lot of support for Ron Paul on this forum. And I know every few months somebody comes up with a plan to build spam links to his website or some shit. The time for that (if there ever was one) has passed. He needs your money now. If you really believe in his campaign, you should donate. https://secure.ronpaul2012.com/ Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ W4 - Like Hуdra, but like way better.

12-20-2011, 06:43 PM	#34 (permalink)
lose lose win no matter what Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 592 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Holy shit.. it's getting good. Cafferty : People In Iowa Are Rallying Around Someone Who Represents real change, REAL CHANGE! - YouTube Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-20-2011, 07:03 PM	#35 (permalink)
dreamache Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,825 iTrader: 7 / 100%	^- Cafferty is one of the very few people I could stand listening to on CNN when I watched it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-20-2011, 07:30 PM	#36 (permalink)
ayzo Like a boss Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,068 iTrader: 65 / 100%	Cafferty is right, if Paul does win there is going to be a big rush to discredit and ignore his victory. The narrative will be "omg Romney came in 2nd place with 20%, a month ago he was 4%, he's rapidly gaining support!" If I was in the Ron Paul campaign, I'd start hinting that if he didn't get the nomination he would use his massive donor base and highly engaged backers to launch a 3rd party campaign in Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Nevada, and Arizona, all states that republicans must win in order to win the election. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________

12-20-2011, 11:27 PM	#38 (permalink)
PunchMyFace If ur not wasted a day is Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 499 iTrader: 2 / 100%	Bill O'Reilly on Ron Paul Iran Policy = BS - YouTube This just proves that O'Reilly is a douche bag. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-20-2011, 11:36 PM	#39 (permalink)
guerilla Amat Victoria Curam Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: No Posts: 7,604 iTrader: 88 / 100%	Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Change Your Life Twitter ^ YouTube Thank you for your attentiveness, the forward thrusters, engage on you busters, I cut the mustard.

12-21-2011, 12:46 PM	#40 (permalink)
Rage9 #1 Soccer Hater Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,175 iTrader: 13 / 93%	Another poll putting Paul in 1st. Also showing very strong loyalty to those votes. Vote 2012: Ron Paul Takes Lead in KCRG/Gazette/ISU Poll \| KCRG-TV9 \| Cedar Rapids, Iowa News, Sports, and Weather \| Local News Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ MadPPC.com - PPC, PHP, and other Affiliate Marketing tips. It's OK to be MAD!

12-21-2011, 01:23 PM	#41 (permalink)
dreamache Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,825 iTrader: 7 / 100%	Last night before going to sleep I decided to see what the fuckfaces at CNN were saying.. In the 25 minutes I had it on.. "Ron Paul winning Iowa really doesn't mean much. A candidate has won Iowa before but also lost, you can't look much into it." Then that red eye show came on.. and the host / other guy had a banter back n' forth about each other's past.. "Yeah, well I'll release that photo of you with Ron Paul back in the 90's"... Other guy: "Ok, you win, I quit" I wonder how much these networks are paid to shit on RP. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter

12-21-2011, 02:35 PM	#43 (permalink)
guerilla Amat Victoria Curam Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: No Posts: 7,604 iTrader: 88 / 100%	It's not that people are being paid directly or getting explicit orders. We don't need a conspiracy theory to address that the system is fundamentally a propaganda machine that the people operating even do not recognize because it is considered mainstream and authoritative. These people are all acting out of self interest, repeating what they are paid to repeat. The myth that the punditocracy have anything to say is silly. Bill O'Reilly is authoritative because he has a show, not because he is an expert on anything, or particularly notable for his own achievements. Likewise Rushbo and Hannity. The system is ugly, counter-productive and dangerous. Paul is exposing this. Consistent with the threat, the system is seeking to minimize Paul's influence. Unfortunately for them, while they still may be the gatekeepers, the walls are in fact down. 30 years ago, there was only one opinion. Now there are millions. And the pundits lose their influence every single day. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter __________________ Change Your Life Twitter ^ YouTube Thank you for your attentiveness, the forward thrusters, engage on you busters, I cut the mustard.

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