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Old 01-16-2012, 01:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question calories.com 4 sale at $600,000...overpriced?

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Not over priced at all
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Sounds like a bargain IMO.

That domain developed right could easily bring in mid-six figures or more monthly.
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Sounds like a bargain IMO.

That domain developed right could easily bring in mid-six figures or more monthly.

yes this could be a huge domain done right

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A memorable one-word domain for a major keyword in one of the biggest online niches for $600k? Underpriced, I'd say.
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Old 01-16-2012, 01:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Oh man would I give my left nut for that domain. If I had time I could probably get investment, but then I'd not be in control of my life.

Funny thing is, if I owned it, I'd try to promote diet plans that go AGAINST the whole "Calories in < Calories Out" BS. Would be the ultimately awesome hypocrisy.
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Underpriced. You can make that back in a few short months.
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Oh man would I give my left nut for that domain. If I had time I could probably get investment, but then I'd not be in control of my life.

Funny thing is, if I owned it, I'd try to promote diet plans that go AGAINST the whole "Calories in < Calories Out" BS. Would be the ultimately awesome hypocrisy.
I would invest in that!
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I think it's a little overpriced. Everybody is right - it could be a beast once it's developed, but it's not and it would cost a fortune to rank it for a lot of the better terms. Lower 6 figs in my opinion.
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Haha here goes the thread derailment. And I'm about to get back to work so I won't be getting back.

Let me preface this by saying I HATE the term "weight loss". Yes, you can "lose weight" by putting yourself in caloric deficit (calories in < calories out). You can also "lose weight" by taking diuretics or putting yourself in a sauna and sweating out water weight.

But first off, none of these are sustainable, second, they are not healthy in the long-term, and third, they are NOT ATTRACTIVE.

Caloric deficits via eating processed shit and sugar = people who are "SKINNY FAT". The most unattractive kind of person if you ask me.

Yeah, that one professor lost all sorts of weight eating nothing but donuts... but he also fried his liver and catabolized his muscle tissue in the process. Most women would not be attracted to his body over a guy who was "muscular fat". Of course, we'd like to be neither of these.....

While calories should be part of the equation to keep you in check, it's not everything. Bodyfat percentage / the mirror are more important, and simply dropping calories is not how you look good, especially if you're doing so with a slim fast style diet that's loaded with nothing but sugar.

Also, a calorie is not just a calorie. Hell, a carb is not just even a carb! Your body handles different compounds with different biochemical processes.

Go ahead and eat straight fructose all day long and tell me how your liver's doing in a year. It will be shot compared to the guy who gets his "calories" from whole foods
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Not overpriced at all, serious bank comes with an EMD.com like that + a real SEO.
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i was going to say overpriced, but it's all relative at the end of the day. A company like bodybuilding.com could come along and buy the domain and build a multi million dollar business on it.

BUT

from a brand point of view it's no good.

Assuming a fat loss site is going to be built for it, "calories" is just the wrong brand to go for. If I was going to spend 600K I'd rather get fatloss.com than calories.com

This domain would only be good for a website for calorie counting, and those types of business are not worth as much as much as you might think. Anyone know gross profit p.a. of fitday?

So, actually, I've come full circle it's overpriced.
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Haha here goes the thread derailment. And I'm about to get back to work so I won't be getting back.

Let me preface this by saying I HATE the term "weight loss". Yes, you can "lose weight" by putting yourself in caloric deficit (calories in < calories out). You can also "lose weight" by taking diuretics or putting yourself in a sauna and sweating out water weight.

But first off, none of these are sustainable, second, they are not healthy in the long-term, and third, they are NOT ATTRACTIVE.

Caloric deficits via eating processed shit and sugar = people who are "SKINNY FAT". The most unattractive kind of person if you ask me.

Yeah, that one professor lost all sorts of weight eating nothing but donuts... but he also fried his liver and catabolized his muscle tissue in the process. Most women would not be attracted to his body over a guy who was "muscular fat". Of course, we'd like to be neither of these.....

While calories should be part of the equation to keep you in check, it's not everything. Bodyfat percentage / the mirror are more important, and simply dropping calories is not how you look good, especially if you're doing so with a slim fast style diet that's loaded with nothing but sugar.

Also, a calorie is not just a calorie. Hell, a carb is not just even a carb! Your body handles different compounds with different biochemical processes.

Go ahead and eat straight fructose all day long and tell me how your liver's doing in a year. It will be shot compared to the guy who gets his "calories" from whole foods
I wanted to hear your diet plan that defies calories in < calories out. Still waiting man
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i was going to say overpriced, but it's all relative at the end of the day. A company like bodybuilding.com could come along and buy the domain and build a multi million dollar business on it.

BUT

from a brand point of view it's no good.

Assuming a fat loss site is going to be built for it, "calories" is just the wrong brand to go for. If I was going to spend 600K I'd rather get fatloss.com than calories.com

This domain would only be good for a website for calorie counting, and those types of business are not worth as much as much as you might think. Anyone know gross profit p.a. of fitday?

So, actually, I've come full circle it's overpriced.
I agree about the brand thing, it's not really a natural term to look for in a search.
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Calories has 135k exact match according to the google keyword tool.
Calorie has around 74k.

The exact match .com is pretty much guaranteed to rank top with some dev on the site. That's around free 4-6k uniques/day on a good diet related term. That's an easy 100k/month in rev. 600k for the domain is bargain.

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Actually, I disagreed. It may easily rank for the EMD, but how much is the EMD really worth?



"Calories" is not a buying keyword, so you've still got to convert that traffic. Also, don't forget that if it was sugh a great buy at $600k, it would already be off the market (probably never would have made it to the market, if it was that much of a bargain). Not saying it won't eventually sell for $600k to the right buyer, but I still think it's overpriced by a couple hundred thousand.
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Definitely tons of searches. One could write endless articles on different types of foods and products: "calories in beer", "calories in eggs", etc.

But for $600k I think there are better domains out there. IPO.com and Brazil.com each sold for just $500k within the last couple years. Both are better domains, IMO.
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Actually, I disagreed. It may easily rank for the EMD, but how much is the EMD really worth?


"Calories" is not a buying keyword, so you've still got to convert that traffic.
Yeah, you'd have to have a excellent sales funnel in place to monetize all that traffic properly (email capture and backend products)
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Definitely tons of searches. One could write endless articles on different types of foods and products: "calories in beer", "calories in eggs", etc.

But for $600k I think there are better domains out there. IPO.com and Brazil.com each sold for just $500k within the last couple years. Both are better domains, IMO.
no body is searching for calories, they're probably all in broad match, and for that why the fuck would you spend 600K on a single word domain when you're targeting longtail. It's retarded.

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It's too much of a long shot, you have to create hundreds of pages for each food item, seo them for "calories in x", and then optimise each page for a loosely based opt in which isn't going to convert all that great. Just too much work.
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no body is searching for calories, they're probably all in broad match, and for that why the fuck would you spend 600K on a single word domain when you're targeting longtail. It's retarded.
Nobody searching? Google is showing 135,000 [exact match] per month from English speaking countries. They can tend to over state searches but I doubt it's that far off with this term.

Like I said, I think there are better domains for that price range... just pointing out the strategy that would likely have to be put in place.
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Old 01-16-2012, 10:08 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Calories has 135k exact match according to the google keyword tool.
Calorie has around 74k.

The exact match .com is pretty much guaranteed to rank top with some dev on the site. That's around free 4-6k uniques/day on a good diet related term. That's an easy 100k/month in rev. 600k for the domain is bargain.

I think this is the first domain appraisal request all of wickedfire as ever agreed on
Doubt you'd make 100k a month easy with 4-6k uniques a day. More like 10-15k. That or I fucking suck at selling people shit, probably a little of both.
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after reading all the comments I think $300k would be more like it. The red flag is exactly why it is still in the market and nobody ever took the time to develop it.
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Even 300k is too much. As already explained, it's not a buying keyword. If you were dead set on getting into this niche, you're be better buying an existing website with history or start a new site and sink the 300k into development and content.

Plus the serps are dominated by brand names.. it's not gonna be easy to rank even with the EMD.
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I think its bullshit how people ask for obscene amounts for domain names. I've seen "Fuckedoffdomainswithmultiplephrases.net" with asking prices of 20k-100k. It's very common. Maybe some fuck tards out there are actually buying them resulting in the dumbass sellers requesting such high prices? The most money I've ever dropped for a domain, was $1300 with several in the 800-1300 range (emd's .com, aged).

The absolute only way I can see paying an obscene amount, is if it was a brandable, common word, dictionary name for business (example; business.com, office.com, hell calories.com) - but something like 600k, is just crazy.
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My personal opinion is it should be more like $10k BUT someone with a good plan could offer like 5x more. Apart from the usual health / fitness articles, this could be a major calorie calculator site. It could get a lot of natural links too if the calorie calculators could be customized and embedded by food bloggers. Think of almost all recipe sites having a custom calorie calculator embedded with each recipe where you add / remove / vary the amounts of ingredients and the calorie count changes accordingly. Lots of ideas if you go deeper there...
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My personal opinion is it should be more like $10k BUT someone with a good plan could offer like 5x more. Apart from the usual health / fitness articles, this could be a major calorie calculator site. It could get a lot of natural links too if the calorie calculators could be customized and embedded by food bloggers. Think of almost all recipe sites having a custom calorie calculator embedded with each recipe where you add / remove / vary the amounts of ingredients and the calorie count changes accordingly. Lots of ideas if you go deeper there...
Do you need an EMD to do that?.
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not really. If it was me I'd register a fresh one at namecheap for $9.79 using the coupon GOLDDEAL
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You don't buy calories.com for it being an EMD. You buy calories.com because it's really brandable.

You don't spend $600k for a domain with the primary goal of ranking for a single term.

I think all this discussion about search volume and profitability for the keyword 'calories' is kinda irrelevant for a domain like this.
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You don't buy calories.com for it being an EMD. You buy calories.com because it's really brandable.

You don't spend $600k for a domain with the primary goal of ranking for a single term.

I think all this discussion about search volume and profitability for the keyword 'calories' is kinda irrelevant for a domain like this.
Exactly..
Also, more than the brandability, single word domains have very good speculative value. You will not likely ever get a single word diet related domain.
I would buy for 600K, and wait for another sucker to come by with an offer for a Million bucks.. :-)
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Underpriced since that type of domain will easily retain and increase in value, even just sitting on it. It sits within an highly valuable market and anybody who pushed acai back in the day should realize that.
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Underpriced since that type of domain will easily retain and increase in value, even just sitting on it. It sits within an highly valuable market and anybody who pushed acai back in the day should realize that.
unless we see a shift in public acceptance/awareness of non-.coms vs .coms, in which case the value would drop. what happens if someone spends 50k+infrastructure to get .calories approved? beer.calories, donut.calories etc - if you think the second-level domain is brandable, what about the top-level domain? i'd say that is the biggest downside risk to all similar domain values around today

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unless we see a shift in public acceptance/awareness of non-.coms vs .coms, in which case the value would drop. what happens if someone spends 50k+infrastructure to get .calories approved? beer.calories, donut.calories etc - if you think the second-level domain is brandable, what about the top-level domain? i'd say that is the biggest downside risk to all similar domain values around today

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It's possible, but like you said it all depends on public awareness and acceptance, also the SEO value of a .keyword TLD. But right now it's all pure speculation, it could be $50K down the drain or the best $50k you'll ever spend.

What would you personally bet on, the .com for $600K or the rights to a .keyword for $50K not knowing it's true value?
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i think it's over priced. you buy much better domains for less
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It's absolutely relevant. That is the main reason such a high valuation has been attached to the name. The name is part of one of the largest, evergreen markets in the world.

Most domains that fetch over $500k+ are not going to be just based on a branding strategy. They are either in a high CPC and/or search volume sector or a 2-4 letter LLLL.com that is acquired by an existing company to shorten their domain. The exception lately was the purchase of Social.com (but even that has more than just branding value)
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come on guys, if a major player (company - not marketer) wants to get its foot in the door on a strong brand domain, this is not much to pay at all, its even cheap.

if its someone just starting out and hoping he would not need to do a lot of SEO for some keywords he is better off registering calories19.net and putting in 50k for SEO
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It's a solid domain for sure. If someone pays 600k, then it's worth the price to that person or company. The reality is that a domain is only truly worth what someone will pay for it.

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I think its bullshit how people ask for obscene amounts for domain names. I've seen "Fuckedoffdomainswithmultiplephrases.net" with asking prices of 20k-100k. It's very common. Maybe some fuck tards out there are actually buying them resulting in the dumbass sellers requesting such high prices? The most money I've ever dropped for a domain, was $1300 with several in the 800-1300 range (emd's .com, aged).

The absolute only way I can see paying an obscene amount, is if it was a brandable, common word, dictionary name for business (example; business.com, office.com, hell calories.com) - but something like 600k, is just crazy.
either someone is buying at those prices - rarely, but often enough that it makes sense to set them at that level , or they're just chasing that one big score in each of those instances.

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