thelorax

U.S. aircraft carrier sails through strategic Strait of Hormuz - latimes.com

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headiez247

haha so awesome.

"go ahead, try fucking with us".

Kiopa_Matt

Iranian Navy:


vs.

US Carrier Group:


Gotta say, glad I'm a white guy today.

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Hitch

Romania Navy

dreamache

Like we're afraid of Iran.. LOL.. Like guerilla pointed out in a different thread, which I've been researching a bit.. we're not there because of nukes, or protecting israel.. we're there for currency.


military power:

Yuckystuff

Iranians are white.

Kiopa_Matt

Actually, I was expecting someone to come back with, "well, what? black people aren't American?".

You know what I meant. Sorry for not being 100% politically correct on a message board filled with tits, asses, and college students.

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ly2 from WF

Just because we spend that much doesn't really mean a lot. I'm sure just like other arms of government, the precious military that nobody is allowed to question is absurdly wasteful.

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shawnhag

it matters who fights the dirtiest, and with that north korea, china and russia will win in WWIII: the war that will destroy us all

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jetto

LOL! Iranian Navy is an oxymoron.

thelorax

If we are all destroyed,
How can someone win?

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Kiopa_Matt

Don't forget, Iran has threatened to use speed boats!



I wish them the best of luck:

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nickster

All I can say when I see this picture is "What a waste of fucking money!"

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mimoza3

Iranians have something much more dangerous than a great navy, they are religious fanatics who are happy to die in the name of whatever their religious leaders tell them to die for.

The tragedy here is that many Iranians hope for the destruction of this regime so that they could live a normal lives, many of those will be used by this insane theocratic republic.

there are many Iranians who pray for the success of the U.S., and we should all join them

jbubs1975

Inb4 Israel stages false flag attack on these ships.

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culvers

speaking as a non american (british) its pretty obvious that usa would absolutely cream any country in a standard military engagement - including china and russia. All they have to do is avoid trying to occupy countries, and getting involved with guerilla wars, as this is where great powers always struggle and get bled dry (both financially, and militarily)

Instead of trying to occupy Iran, they could just neutralise its military, scientific centres, industrial centres etc.. if they want the oil, just occupy the oil fields and leave the heavily populated areas to anarchy..

thuxen

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And yet another example of baiting Iran... Props to Iran for having the balls not to react. Wonder how long that'll last though.. and then another stupid oil war

papajohn56

Wow.

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guerilla

It's not just that its a waste of money, but the system has become so bad, no one can propose cutting any military spending due to waste. Any attempt to cut any military spending is deemed unpatriotic, and people who are trying to do that are "soft on defense" or "putting the troops in harms way".

You gotta remember, the spending on that chart is all of the budgeted stuff. The USG is constantly pushing through war supplemental bills (more spending) during the year by adding those appropriation requests onto other bills.

So you might have a bill like SOPA or the NDAA, and someone will sneak $25 billion of military spending in as a line item. That makes it almost impossible for politicians to vote against the host bill because if they do, then they get reamed for not supporting the military and putting the troops in harms way.

The entire system is a mess, and no one except Ron Paul really has the courage to stand up to it.

There is more, like how they try to spread defense jobs to every congressional district, to make those special interests for every congress person to protect.

Related (and sickening)
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...al_qaidas_navy

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wezcountry

More from the Telegraph.

Quote: "Another carrier, USS Carl Vinson, has been in the Gulf and the surrounding region for several months. Abraham Lincoln's arrival means a return to the two-carrier deployment that America has retained in the area for many years. Each of these Nimitz class vessels carries a complement of fighter aircraft with more striking power than the entire Iranian air force. Their presence widens the options open to Western governments should Tehran attempt to retaliate for tighter sanctions by harassing international shipping lanes."

I hope this show of force will cause the Iranians to reflect on their likely total destruction if they try anything stupid. However I also hope to god there isn't a war because of the thousands of innocent civilians that will be pasted into the earth, plus the region is unstable enough as it is. On the other hand I'd love to see this insane regime toppled.

guerilla

The Americans aren't that bad.

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BlokBlok

Wow. x2

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jetto

At least they got colorful flags. LOL.

jetto

False flag in your ass.

-joe-

If they try anything stupid? WTF?

You mean like, say, supposedly planning out a terror plot, or doing the heinous crime of taking down a spy drone that's in your airspace?

Yuckystuff

Why - what exactly have they done?

wezcountry

sorry, what's your question?

wezcountry

I don't like theocracies. Do you?

TigerUK

As much as I hate to say this, I have to agree. Looking at the charts you'd thinking the USA could pretty much do whatever it likes, but the USa still has to make deals and pay the pakistanis and uzbeks to use their airspace.

the US has always spent above and beyond anyone else too. Case in point ak47 is very cheap compared to the old school 1990's m16.

And many preferred the ak because it has much better stopping power and psychology more powerful due to it's noise. I met a ex kurdish militant in norway a while back and he told me he used both the m16 and ak as a militant and preferred the ak much much more, it never used to jam and worked every time. He told me the m16 needs to have routine cleaning, which isn't always possible when you're a militant. Certainly no good for desert.

Same is true for pretty much everything else. US pays a lot more than what the russians and chinese would pay for the same equipment.

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Yuckystuff

Isn't that for Iranians to decide?

wezcountry

Of course, but Iranians are not allowed to decide as was seen in the 2009 elections. Here's what happens when ordinary people protest in Iran:





I cannot imagine a worse type of society than a theocracy.

tacoX

If I were president I too would destroy Iran.

- President Eagle

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Yuckystuff

Then it is up to Iranians to have a revolution. It's not our fucking business to decide what type of government they should have.

guerilla

In a lot of ways a theocracy is superior to a democracy, we just haven't seen the endgame for democracy play out yet.

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It's not a competition who can build the biggest target. The way I look at it Iran have the upper hand. They clearly have more versals going off the pictures you've posted. They're close to their own resources.

Simplicity always wins, you only have to look at things like the IED and a couple of terrorists bringing down two of the biggest buildings in NYC to realize that.

Netphase

Three U.S. Navy Carrier Strike Groups are in the area carrying more fighter jets than Iran's entire Air Force. Every carrier strike group has 4 destroyers, each with 96 tomahawk missiles ready to fire.

Kiopa_Matt

Why would you ever think that? If the US does actually go into Iran, it won't be a civil, "ok guys, let's be really careful and keep the civilian death toll at a minimum" type of war like Iraq and Afghanistan were. It'll be more of a "fuck you, you're the enemy, you're dieing" type of war, and if the US military is allowed to go in unrestricted like that, I think I'll have to bet on them.

The US probably has more resources (and definitely more fire power) in the Middle East than Iran does.

Oh well, if the US does go into Iran, at least we'll get to see the newest in tested military technology. Haven't really seen anything major in ages, since the stealth was brought out in 1991 Gulf War. Wonder what they'll come out with... my bet is on weaponized lasers. Blast those little Iranian speed boats right out of the water.

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wezcountry

How so G? As far as I can see it would be a Fascist state but with divine backing, making all opposition 'evil'.

wezcountry

They have no naval upper-hand at all. As far as I am aware they bought the ships second hand from the British navy. In a sea battle they would be sitting ducks - I think the estimate is one week to destroy the lot. The Iranians might have excellent coastal defences though I would imagine there's a spy in the sky that has many if not all of them marked.

wezcountry

We weren't discussing regime change although they could end-up bringing that on themselves. Also no-one is telling them what type of government they should have, although I imagine it would suck to be an educated secular Iranian. Governments are quite rightly very nervous about Iran having atomic weapons because their national ideology has apocalyptic overtones as well as wanting Israel wiped off the map. They also have no right to fuck with economies of the world by blockading international shipping lanes.

Yuckystuff

First, of all, wiping Israel off the map is not part of their foreign policy. That lie has been repeated so many times that I'd bet 80% of Americans believe it. The original quote from Ahmadinejad was actually him quoting Khomeini who was referring to the political Zionist ideology that was behind so many of the wars. Iran does not have a policy of wiping Israel off the face of the earth - repeating that shit just makes it easier to convince Americans that they should support our desire to exert our influence over there.

Do you seriously believe Iran would use a nuclear weapon if they had them? It would be suicide and everyone knows it including them. There is a zero percent chance of them using a nuke on Israel or anyone else because they know that they would be wiped off the face of the earth in retaliation. And for everyone that is so paranoid about Muslims having a nuclear weapon, Pakistan has had them for years and they've never used them either.

Iran wants nuclear weapons to protect themselves from invasion, nothing more.

When did they do that? Oh that's right - they didn't.

You guys need to check your sources on your news. Remember that we get some seriously manipulated news here in the US so it's a good idea to check international sources when you hear something that doesn't sound right.

JakeStratham

Of course, we're trying to secure those nukes, too. lol

Good article: The Ally From Hell - Magazine - The Atlantic

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Yuckystuff

As much as we like to pretend to be worried about the dangers of other countries having nuclear weapons the fact remains that WE are the only nation that has ever used nuclear weapons on anyone. We can't pretend to be the "responsible" ones when WE are the only ones that have actually used them on civilians, and WE are the only nation that goes around the world invading other countries. Once you realize that WE are the ones that they want to protect themselves from, things will make a lot more sense.

Patriotism is a blinding force.

wezcountry

I live in Italy and check-out the news from different sources. Obviously no-one anticipates that Iran would launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike against another country but their ideology definitely does contain 'end times' thought (just as the Christians in the USA government do btw) and there are apocalyptic nut-cases in higher levels of government.

Regarding Israel (and for the record I am neither for nor against Israel, although I do think the Palestinians get a rough ride, but they make it worse for themselves, but they do have a point ... and so on (and yes I have met and spoken with Palestinians and Israelis)), it is definitely true that Iran is shit-stirring in that region and would love nothing more than to see Israel gone. The quote might be a mis-quote but I don't think it's too far removed from the general feeling of the a lot of Iranian ruling classes re Israel.

Do I think Iran is, in general, a threat. Yes I do. It has the potential to cause a lot of tension in the world. The country could never win a war with the USA and I truly hope they don't push things to far, but I think it's right to show the country that they can go so far and no further, because otherwise there will be implications. In the main they are left to mangle and cripple their own country as they please, which is a pity because the Iranians I've met are very civilised people.

>Iran wants nuclear weapons to protect themselves from invasion, nothing more.

I don't believe it's as simple as that. There are bigger issues, such as Sunni / Shia problems. Also, have you read anything about the Iraq / Iran war? It's an eye-opener.