SUP3RNOVA

I can almost smell a scent of Ron Paul running as Newt's VP.

Probably a long shot prediction from this point, but Newt gave some support for RP in his post-SC speech, and just did so again tonight in the debate.

Retardo-prediction? Is RP just going to run independent?

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Yes

No

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ly2 from WF

I don't think RP would ever run as his VP. Not because Newt wouldn't have him but because they are pretty far apart. Maybe I'm reading Paul wrong though who knows.

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Optimus

That's even weaker than McCain/Palin. McCain alone is stronger than Gingrich and whoever else he has for a running mate. My guess is he'll pick Hermain Cain. Need the token. Hahaha.

Veritas

Those two can't run together, I don't see them communicating very well at all with one another, they are both strong personalities

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No, not a retardo prediction. Newt knows he can't build momentum against Romney without RP's supporters, and their money.

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potentialeight

There's no way he's anybody's VP imo.

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ly2 from WF

McCain is a bigger faggot than Romney...

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dreamache

RP running as a VP under one of these guys requireshim endorsing their positions. Wont happen, he has pubically taken issue with all 3, and he has more integrity to flip flop.

Moxie

The "military industrial complex" and such have too much influence over both the republicans and democrats. They're not going to want someone like Paul (or Dennis Kucinich) to be next in line for the presidency.

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lose lose win

he gave him support to win over the RP crowd

and yes, u are a retardo

music4mic

yeh, you nailed it. He calls them what they are, big government neo-conservatives and complete opposites of RP. RP isn't after power, he's after change which is why he would never take the VP position.

If they've started being nice to him it's because they know that isolating him is the same as isolating a lot of supporters, especially younger supporters. What they fail to realize is that no Ron Paul supporter than truly understands his positions would ever vote for them.

amateursurgeon

Nope, won't happen. RP is playing the long game, and laying the groundwork for Rand in 2016/2020*


*Disclaimer. I know fuck all about American Politics.

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guerilla

You know more than most Americans if the debate audiences and polls are to be believed.

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DanWesson

Clearly you know more than OP.

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Optimus

Lol. Didn't say I liked McCain. They're all faggots as far as I'm concerned.

jeffrey

Am I the only one who wants to drop kick Gingrich, Romney, and Santorum every time they speak?

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lose lose win

Will be too fucking late

webnet

I think it's very hard to pick.

leadsupplier

TL DR; every comment,

but if newt ran w/ RP as VP i'd vote for him

If i had to rank the candidates, RPs #1 for me Newts #2 - the bottom line is that the guy is pretty intellectual, hes a great speaker, and he's got a lot more knowledge imo than Romney or fuckface santorum

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lose lose win

Newt is EXACTLY the same as all the others except RP. If anyone but RP wins the US will keep heading in the same direction, nothing will change. He's a great speaker? Who gives a fuck? Just means he has more effectively lied to ur dumb ass.

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ly2 from WF

He's still the 2nd best...

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SUP3RNOVA

As usual, people are speaking with their own interests and intellect in mind.

Of course RP is a breed of his own and unlike the other three running. But 50% of Paul's argument is his economic stance, which Newt (at least publicly) completely agrees with. The other 50% is his foreign policy, which Newt is kind of vague about compared to Romney/Santorum.

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than_west

Uber, I like that you're a RP supporter but you must be trolling

Moxie

For starters, Newt wants a 15% federal income tax, Paul wants 0%.

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Zaino

I want a bat cave, doesnt mean its going to happen.

leadsupplier

15% is still the lowest besides RP tho

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guerilla

You're missing the point.

Paul doesn't think there should be any income tax. That is a radically different proposal than Romney wanting 20% and Newt wanting 15%.

Let's put this in a different context.

Example.

Ron Paul thinks abortion is wrong.

Newt thinks 15 abortions are ok, Romney thinks 20 abortions are ok.

Is Newt really closer to Paul or to Romney?

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blureach

I agree with the point, but terrible analogy.

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SUP3RNOVA

I don't see anything wrong with income tax, as long as it's low and flat. Again, in the real world it's not always what's principally right, it's what realistic. If you have a President that actually wants a 15% income tax and a Vice President that wants 0% but also can influence foreign policy in some capacity...you take that over RP's slim-to-none shot at the title.

Ron Paul's crowd wants the American utopia and that's why so many are fanatics...it's not real.

I still think Romney takes it, which is why somebody else has to take it. Santorum is a nut and the media abolishes Paul, the next best is Newt and the next best thing Paul can do is become his VP.

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Why does anyone have a right to tax someone else?

That is the real question.

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SUP3RNOVA

Principally, you are right. But our society does not consist of people who are driven by that principle (socialist tendencies are part of the problem). Humans are built on their sociality...majority does rule sometimes. Ron Paul wants to shock the lifestyle of the majority, it's too much right now.

Ron Paul's progress has been very slow (starting decades ago) but has clearly grown in that time. He's at his highest point by far but just will not be President this time, and he can do much more by becoming Newt's VP than by supporting Rand Paul to do anything to that scale.

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Fuck Newt, no chance Clinton Jr is the GOP nom. Mitt is the clear 2nd best choice (yeah, ndaa and all) because I genuinely believe Santorum thinks he can bring the apocalypse ... and I'm not even 1/2 way joking.

I would actively campaign for Obama (but would vote 3rd party) if Rick is the GOP choice .... even fucking VP. He's a deal breaker.

SUP3RNOVA

I don't think you have to worry lol. Although he does appeal to the religulous...

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makethatgreen

Don't taxes also cover many services and structures that are necessary?

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guerilla

I am either right, or I am wrong. Which is it?

I can't be both right and wrong, because that would be a contradiction.

Please try to use clear language to exercise logical thought. Everything else comes off as cognitive dissonance.

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guerilla

Who decides what is necessary?

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dmnEPC

So you will be voting for Obama again I take it? Any chance your black?

pfgannon

Yes, taxes cover many services and structures.
Whether or not they are necessary is debatable.

For the sake of argument, let's say I agree with every government program out there. Is it OK for me to rob people, or lock them in cages should they refuse, so I can have access to public roads, public parks, and other luxuries?

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makethatgreen

Huh? Just because I think SOME taxes are necessary that makes me black and an Obama supporter?

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makethatgreen

I wasn't aware that public roads were a luxury?

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guerilla

Regardless, answer his question. Do you have such a right to these things that it justifies you taking them from other people by force?

If yes, from where did you derive this right over your fellow man? I say "over" because if they could do the same to you, then you're basically proposing a "might makes right" society and not making a case for some sort of "necessity".

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pinchyfingers

Taxes are the worst thing ever. You can defend that position from both principled and pragmatic positions.

Principled: coercion is always wrong.

Pragmatic: taxation and government funding fuck up the free market.

lukep

That's your state-approved education talking. Learn to think bigger.

Not only is socialism/coercion always morally wrong, and not only does it stand in the way of a truly free market, but who says your life wouldn't be much improved getting the same services from that free market?

What, did you think that only the government can build & upkeep roads?

All non-libertarians need to learn that their education was provided to them at the cost of not learning that there are better alternatives to socialistic government, and specifically by that socialistic government, which some might call a conflict of interests.

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edit:fuckin thing

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pfgannon

When you consider that most people in the world won't even own a car in their lifetime, yeah, I'd say it is a luxury.

The fact that they were built using the fruits of other people's labor, by way of violence, makes them seem even more luxurious actually. Kind of in the same way getting to live in the manor house on the plantation is luxurious.

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lukep

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pfgannon

I've actually resisted posting for a while because I wanted to work on an epic boob thread.
Oh well.

My only connectivity right now is via 4G, but as soon as I've got something stable, I'll be working on collecting tons o' boobage.

I shall disappear until then...

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