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Old 01-24-2012, 12:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Let's assume Ron Paul became president for one second...

Btw he has my vote and I tell all my friends about him to the point where they are sick of me haha.

Even if he got in, I don't see how effective he could be considering a lot of what he wants to pass would have to go through a corrupt congress/senate. The entire system needs an overhaul and honestly it takes a lot more than a president to do that. I hate to admit it but I think he'd be a lame duck for the most part.

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(1) If Ron Paul, the most revolutionary candidate in U.S. history, gets elected, it indicates a massive shift in public opinion. Politicians are known for moving with the wind. Congress will be in a mood to work with someone who did the seemingly impossible.

(2) He can pardon huge numbers of people, thereby effectively repealing unjust, unconstitutional laws.

(3) He can tell the country the truth for four years, both about foreign policy and the economy. He can spend four years encouraging people to study Austrian economics. That is more important than all the legislation in the world.

(4) By executive order he can repeal all the bad executive orders.

(5) He can refuse to send troops around the world without the consent of Congress. This kind of constitutional deference to Congress has not been seen in generations.

That’s what occurs to me offhand.

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Ron Paul said that even if Congress and the Senate didn't work with him on his policies, he'd still veto the shit out of everything. How many presidents really do that?
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I think he could have an affect. People would probably hate it. He could in theory gridlock the system by veto'ing every bill that crosses his desk.
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I mean politics is a game of compromise for the most part isn't it? Sure he could veto a lot but on the other hand working with members to pass a few bills, etc... would probably be the better strategy.

Or at least work with them on domestic issues. Btw dreamcache really good post, thanks.
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The benefit isn't progressive, it's regressive.

There mountains of laws and regulations he'll nullify ... who gives a fuck if congress makes progress writing new laws, ideologically I wish for gridlock in DC.
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I mean politics is a game of compromise for the most part isn't it? Sure he could veto a lot but on the other hand working with members to pass a few bills, etc... would probably be the better strategy.

Or at least work with them on domestic issues. Btw dreamcache really good post, thanks.
The whole point is that there is no compromise. Any frivolous spending leading to a more bloated government = veto.
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No hate but things will probably stay the same. History repeating itself.
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Sometimes I think that what Ron Paul is doing now is more sustainable than anything he could do as a president. He's slowly changing the thoughts of not just the USA but the world - how many times have we seen folks not even in USA support him?

I think he might get the Kennedy treatment if he ever lands in office, the powers that be already know how dangerous he is to their establishment.
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No more illegal immigrants... demand for gas prices will go down. Crime will be reduced. More jobs will be given to legal citizens, I could go on...
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I agree with Andrew, people like Ron Paul often end up dead in this country, unfortunately. I think at this point they are trying to just let nature takes its course with him, as he is not getting any younger.

Something tells me if Ron Paul was a young guy running right now he would end up in some type of weird "accident" lol
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The surge in illegal immigrants is very much due to the minimum wage laws and the unwillingness of Americans to take low-paying jobs.

In fact, these illegal immigrants are probably taking jobs that would otherwise be shipped overseas. This keeps money and capital in the U.S., instead of shipping it out.

Illegal immigrants aren't taking away any jobs worth complaining about.

Would I prefer these immigrants be legal citizens? I don't think it makes much of a difference, especially considering their incomes are probably below the poverty line, so it's not like they would contribute to the tax burden.
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In fact, these illegal immigrants are probably taking jobs that would otherwise be shipped overseas. This keeps money and capital in the U.S., instead of shipping it out.

Illegal immigrants aren't taking away any jobs worth complaining about.
Very true. If there were not immigrants doing some jobs for insanely low wages, the cost for that specific job would rise to the point were some US citizens would be willing to do it, by then, bearing in mind this is an unregulated economy for basic products, many of these goods could very well be imported for a more convenient price.
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First and Foremost, Paul WOULD have the power to repeal the troops immediately, and not start any new wars for his entire term.

A lot of people hear the 'cut 1 Trillion in the first year" quote and assume there is some qualifier like "if congress allows me to do so." -That simply isn't true. The Commander in Chief gets to say who the enemy is and ever since WWII was done, the commander in chief has been the only american to start any wars... Money from those wars came from congress later, but the order of this relationship stands. Paul can and will cut that 1 trillion easily.

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I think he could have an affect. People would probably hate it. He could in theory gridlock the system by veto'ing every bill that crosses his desk.
He's telegraphed his moves for 30 freaking years now. Every last legislator would know exactly what he would and would not support, and bills would be CREATED appropriately. It's just silly to think that any work would grind to a halt... It would in fact enable real work to begin!

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I mean politics is a game of compromise for the most part isn't it?
You only think this because the propaganda has existed for it since before you were born. Paul wouldn't compromise on his libertarian beliefs. He might throw a bone or two their way when it's not something that is not related to the constitution. (If such a thing exists?)

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No hate but things will probably stay the same. History repeating itself.
I see someone here hasn't researched Paul's voting record very well.

Or did you mean the election will go the same way for Paul as it did in 2008?
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He could pardon all federal income tax evaders. The income tax accounts for about 40% of federal income, so that would help shrink gov't.
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With congress right now, he would be no more effective than Obama imo. Its sad. I love Ron Paul, I"m a huge supporter. I just don't think shit can happen with our government anymore.
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Perhaps he could put a federal Fine on lies by the media?

For every infraction where a MSM outlet is caught distorting the truth they are fined $10,000... That research/enforcement department could certainly fund itself while doing the world a lot of good.
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Not true. Americans will not work for sub minimum wages, that is true. I know many that are making a fortune off underpaying their workers. There are others, in the same industries, playing by the rules and simply not making as much.

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In fact, these illegal immigrants are probably taking jobs that would otherwise be shipped overseas. This keeps money and capital in the U.S., instead of shipping it out.
It may force companies to upgrade to machinery and increase their in country productivity. Construction, restaurant jobs, service industry stuff - that would all go to workers that are willing to take the jobs. I call BS on all of those saying US workers will not take the jobs.

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Illegal immigrants aren't taking away any jobs worth complaining about. Would I prefer these immigrants be legal citizens? I don't think it makes much of a difference, especially considering their incomes are probably below the poverty line, so it's not like they would contribute to the tax burden.
This is all BS. I know many illegal contractors taking jobs away from others, these are good jobs making much more than US median income. My illegal backhoe operator makes $100K+ year and $300K+ year during the boom times.

Even though what you are saying is commonly accepted as true, it is not. Many would take these jobs, especially in times like these.
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Sometimes I think that what Ron Paul is doing now is more sustainable than anything he could do as a president. He's slowly changing the thoughts of not just the USA but the world - how many times have we seen folks not even in USA support him?
Here's a news flash for you, and it's not from FOX, CBS, MSNBC or any other covert propaganda station. No, he is not particularly well known round the world and I doubt many people outside the USA would care to even know his policies. I'm not sure what exactly brainwashed you into this line of thinking, but the rest of the world does not really care about the year that American's spend trillions electing someone to elect. Come back after someone suitably rich and normal looking has been voted in.
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Even though what you are saying is commonly accepted as true, it is not. Many would take these jobs, especially in times like these.
It's my theory that illegals will end up pushing the service sector here in the states. We want our conveniences but won't be able to pay retail soon enough. You can't ship putting that special sauce on my big mac overseas.

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So he starts out by attacking free speech? That would be very libertarian of him.
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Perhaps he could put a complete stop to the relationship business and politicians have. Once this marriage is separated a lot of the corruption in Washington will end.
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Here's a news flash for you, and it's not from FOX, CBS, MSNBC or any other covert propaganda station. No, he is not particularly well known round the world and I doubt many people outside the USA would care to even know his policies. I'm not sure what exactly brainwashed you into this line of thinking, but the rest of the world does not really care about the year that American's spend trillions electing someone to elect. Come back after someone suitably rich and normal looking has been voted in.
Here's a newsflash for you. I'm *not* an American and I do know who Ron Paul is. Granted, I didn't know who he was before he began campaigning, but I know who he is now. Also, when you say people don't care about the year American's spend trillions electing someone to elect, again you are mistaken. I do care, and I do watch, because it is the best comedy on television. The only sensible person on that stage is Ron Paul.

This whole concept of campaigning to elect the person to run against the President is all a little bizarre to me. Would it not be more sensible to gather all the Republican politicians in to one room, have a discussion, and decide who has the best chance of running against Obama, then leave the room and annoucne to the country that '______________' will be the Republican nominee in the election?

All these debates do is expose all the candidates' weaknesses, and rarely are their strengths ever the focus.
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No hate but things will probably stay the same. History repeating itself.
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