jetto

Examples:

you don't text a woman back until X period of time passes so you don't seem too interested or available

same but responding to a prospective buyer of your property

etc

To me... I don't think it's bad because other people do it to you whether deliberately or not (especially women) and if you're not doing it back to them - you're basically at a disadvantage. But I don't enjoy it, to me it's a chore, I don't do it naturally like women and I'm forgetul so I have to set freaking reminders "OK get back to ABC in 3 days". I'd rather just respond ASAP but I know it would hurt me in the long run.

pIZZaBOY

I don't like doing it at all but it's necessary most of the time. I don't like outsmarting people or playing games with women but it's necessary in this society if you want to achieve a lot of things.

kingofsp

Until you are actually ignoring them unintentionally, you are still a young grasshopper.

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tatrasim

Same here, I'd rather respond right away and move on to the next thing. If I don't respond it usually means I'm busy or don't feel like taking action at the time based on the lack of response.

My soon to be ex-wife tried playing these games during the break up process, pissed the fuck out of me. I hope now she knows better.

cougarclaws

I think of a lot of personal social problems in life like chess - and yeah women are a perfect example. So when I can anticipate the reaction to a move I make and find myself in an advantageous position that I created, fuck yeah it puts a devious smile on my face.

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Today I'm starting to learn interpersonal skills.

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BigWill

I don't play games, period. Honestly don't have enough time for games. IMO its better to spend time on more productive things.

tonymontana

This.

Philip P

LOL.

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Kryt3n

YES.

JCash

Nope.

KoncCorps

A combination of these two sums up my views.

Women who don't play games are boring. But if you're intentionally playing the game you're boring.

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Yuckystuff

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Kiopa_Matt

I don't. Life's too short for that shit, which is one of the many reasons I enjoy SE Asia. As long as you use some common sense, all that bullshit is out the window.

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lordothelog

when it work, a hearty yes.

pinchyfingers

This. Manipulation is lame. Being awesome is awesome.

Don't pretend to be too busy to pay attention, instead, actually have many other people and creative outlets that demand your attention.

tacoX

I enjoy killing hookers before and after paying them.

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handrewrites

This.

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Your_Pal

bitchy thing. not sure if OP is a bitch.

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seohug

You've done some very, very bad things and they are coming back to hunt you.

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Human

Ever seen White Collar? That shit Neal does actually works in the real world.

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guerilla

This ^^^

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i lol'ed

Izaya

Hell yeah, I love pushing weightloss free trials.

"hey fatty, you wanna lose weight?"
"try this Product for FREE you only have to pay shipping and handling"
*small fine print were going bill your ass a shit ton of money son, and there's not much you can do about it"

Also the product is bullshit and doesn't do anything to help the fat person at all.

Hey but am at least not killing hookers like ryan eagle.

Fiver

I don't enjoy playing games with women but I know I have to because I will get hosed if I don't.

I wish I lived 50-60 years ago when these games didn't exist so much and men and women were more upfront with one another during courtship. Men and women can't start being honest with each other until they actually find themselves in a relationship.

There was a time when a girl had to pick up the phone when you called because she didn't know who was on the other line. It made for much less games in those days. Giving cellphones to women has only made the problem worse.

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homerb22

hi.
i think it is important for me to manipulate people for many wants and needs here in our world.

jetto

A surprising number of "I'm better than you" attempts ITT LOL. (hey I used 2 Internet slang acronyms one right after the other, that must mean I'm better than you, bitch!). Seems like I hit a nerve with this one.

stefanie

Read The Art of Seduction. The games have always been there, and the book is filled with all kinds of fun historic examples (both men and women). Or - find a saucy old lady to tell you stories of her youth. I grew up around nursing homes and from what I've heard, things were not so different 50-60 years ago. People were just better at honoring their marital promises (or perhaps it's just that people weren't exposed to so many options since fewer women worked outside the home).

Games are fine to an extent and certainly make things more interesting - so long as both people seem to be on roughly the same page in terms of where to draw the line. Letting a guy sweat it for a few hours after a text message is vastly different than, say, running off and sleeping with a guy's best friend to make him jealous.

guerilla

Answer: Asian women.

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RandTheRand

holy shit man

jetto

I'm think of a "New Deal" approach. Since I don't enjoy games as you clearly do for example - I can text my new romantic prospects this: "hey, was great meeting u. I don't play games so please let me know the best time to call u. I will call u then. Once " And I will actually walk the talk.

What do you think?

Flyboy

lol @ OP's beta status

This.

If you're thinking long and hard about how much time to wait before answering and believe that gives you an advantage, you're doing it wrong.

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stefanie

100% direct is not necessarily bad but it does put you at a slight disadvantage with most women, especially in the beginning of a relationship. Who you are and what you have to offer is only part of the equation - the other half (if not more) is how you make someone feel. Although your approach is commendable, it's not very exciting.

If it attracts he kind of women you like, great - but contrary to what they'll tell you, most women actually do enjoy a bit of ambiguity at first. Even the most rational woman will have a hard time talking herself out of being attracted to someone if they manage to figure out/accidentally hit upon how it is she wants to feel and then they make it happen.

guerilla

Being an adult isn't exciting.

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I manipulate myself when I masturbate

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stefanie

If your adult life isn't exciting, that's the result of your choices. As long as you're not being hurtful and both parties have the option to leave at any point, I fail to see the problem. Obviously, as you get to know someone, the relationship gets beyond the silly things people do when they barely know each other.

Don't hate me - hate the fact that it works often enough that people stiill do it.

geomark

It's not a game. It's life skills.

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guerilla

That's not what I said, but it's a clever way to twist it.

Don't flatter yourself.

"Works" is relative to the goal and all goals are subjective.

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I really don't know how to interpret "Being an adult isn't exciting," other than to conclude that you don't feel that being an adult is exciting. I just happen to disagree and feel it's a matter of choice, regardless of whether you're talking about work, personal life, etc.

Your brevity and choice of words seemed to indicate a tone of derision, hence the tone of my reply And of course all goals are subjective - that's why my previous post specifically stated, "If it attracts the kind of women you like, great - but contrary to what they'll tell you, most women actually do enjoy a bit of ambiguity at first."

Stover

Possibly that guerilla chooses to not be an adult...

rusvik

Stefanie, you don't honestly think us guys don't know exactly what you do with not replying back asap? It's so predictable, you can literally set your clock to it. At least if you have dated a few women you see the same things happening again and again. You just have to realize that the more you play games, the more you will be manipulated, used and dumped. If you play games, you will get played by better players eventually and men are also better players than women when they try. Maybe you will figure this out eventually.

misenlai

toooo complicated. Safer to stay with hookers!

guerilla

Being an adult is work, it takes character. It's a full time gig that doesn't leave a lot of time for guessing games or waiting for someone to call back.

High quality men don't wait for women. They have choices. Women who keep men waiting and don't get lucky, pick a loser or have some incredible assets to bring to the table, end up 30-something, childless, alone and desperate.

Men age a lot better than women, unfortunately feminism has convinced a lot of broads that they are just as sexually valuable at 40 as they are at 20. Obviously that's not true (and makes selling yoga and gym memberships a piece of cake). Women have a narrow 15 or 20 year window to stake their claim.

I'm brief when I make a point to an audience that I feel won't need exposition. It's not derision, it's respect for your intellect.

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guerilla

That's only true if you believe it.

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turbolapp

This. Women can smell this shit from a mile away.

turbolapp

Being an adult is not very exciting. It's an evolutionary thing. If the main goal of life is procreation and healthy offspring, human children require stability to thrive. Stability= not very exciting. Therefore responsible adult= not very exciting (The keyword here being very. There's always the days when the kids go to grandma's )

guerilla

Well said, this was my point.

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guysmy

Super easy if the girls in question are subpar or mediocre.

I readily admit that I need to artificially curb my enthusiasm when I’ve got a shot with a bombshell I’m hot for. Jedi masters that don’t feel this at all need to check their pulse.

I don’t need to engage in risky behaviour in order to feel excited about life. I merely need to pull myself out of my comfort zone.

The pool of fun adults does dwindle with time. Luckily I’m not tied at the hip to anyone.

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jetto

Point taken. It's not as much the product as the marketing. I feel that guys mostly let women set the tone because they'll do anything to get laid. For example, most women like games. Most guys don't. But most guys will do their best to play along because it's their chance to get laid. In that sense women are much more true to themselves. If something is off or doesn't feel right or she doesn't like something she bails very easily. A guy is willing to go thru a ton of shit he doesn't enjoy to get to "the prize". Hey, wanna go shopping with me and hold my bags? Sure! hey wanna, play stupid text games for a week? Sure!