nickster

This is the problem right here. A campaign that cost $70 and made $65 back is a high potential campaign dude!!! Most campaigns that I run SERIOUS bank on I drop at least $500 in LOSSES before I optimize it to profit and then scale it to the moon.

When you see a campaign that almost breaks even when you haven't optimized it usually indicates a winner.

Also that campaign that you ran with the coupon was actually a zero outlay with a $65 profit, so you did make money. And in terms of ROI you made 10000s of %. It just shows you that you CAN make money.

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Vadym

mfa sites for the win, bro. make millions.

avatar33

This + This.

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Jinxus

too bad that was a long time ago on Facebook. I've heard that Facebook has changed a lot of their policies now and pretty much made it impossible to run the type of campaign I was running. Since then, I've tried to run a few POF campaigns but have failed hard as in terrible CTR's and no conversions.

is mfa a new term around here? still haven't quite figured out what it means

ShadowCaster

Mother fucking adsense.

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nickster

Facepalm!!

That's not what I meant. Not to go back and try to get it working, but just to realize that it WAS working, but you just needed to stick at it and from there you could have had a very profitable campaign. So next time you have a break even campaign like that DON'T give up. I doubt any one here who makes good money hits a profitable campaign right off the bat. you just need to recognize when you have something that is workable and not to end up flogging a dead horse when it is not.

The best advice I can give to you is to look around and see what you are seeing running consistently (over a space of time) and then realize that if it is running then someone is making money from it and dedicate your time to finding out how by testing and testing.

The problem that most people make is to try something and then quit when it isn't working and blame it on the offer/network/traffic, but it is the people who say "well, others are making it work, so there is no reason I can't" and then putting in the hard work and not quitting until they have got it working or at the very least learned some very important lessons, that are the ones who are banking hard.

Pick something and stick at it until you get it working.

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megatabbers

Solid advice, but disagree on the required skillset. Wordpress installs and graphic manipulations can be outsourced for peanuts.

Like you said (for the most part) niche selection, establishing a USP in order to compete effectively, and a solid marketing plan are the real skills needed. And those can't be easily outsourced.

In the end, if you can identify markets (or more correctly stated, niches within markets you know are spending money), understand their needs, and provide them a solution, you'll make bank. And that shit is mostly evergreen and can be quite passive too.

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tavin

your name is jinxus.

maybe your jinxing yourself.

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Jinxus

Is POF not doing this whole small ads thing anymore? I found some killer pictures, and now I want to get an idea of what other people are running so I'm trying to find ads, but all I'm seeing is shit like this

aaronklaw

My favorite quote is from Thomas Edison

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."

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On 11/13/11, at 10:48 PM, Stefano Brown wrote:
> there is nothing more clairvoyant in this world than your customer service putting two fingers up your ass while you lie on your stomach overlooking the western himalayas from a spa

ly2 from WF

Not to be a stick in the mud or anything but if that's all you've done since 2009, you should probably just pack it up and move on. You also seem like you may have a small issue with depression or something.

Maybe that's too harsh...I dunno. Just seems like you've watched too many work at home infomercials where they push the button and money starts flowing into your account. I started learning SEO and reading it every day for months. In less than 6 months in I had top 5 in Google for "cabinets".

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papajohn56

congrats, you made $65 on a $70 coupon on an unoptimized campaign on FB - had you not given up like a bitch, you actually could have profited. instead, you gave up.

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kered

Biggest reason people do not succeed is they give up to soon without putting in the effort required... or chase too many different opportunities at once and get no where with any.

And the bigger niches with the biggest potential take the longest.

Gone are the days of buying PPC traffic and making money on day one... it does not work like that any more in the world of Affiliate marketing. Adwords is a lost cause unless you are spending BIG money and Bing cannot drive enough volume.

When I want to compete in a even semi-competitive niche (selling my own product OR affiliate) this is what I do...

1. Invest in 5-10 aged domains..
2. Build out the money site with a well written content, reviews, etc... I will even purchase products to do video reviews for top recommendations - those can be used for video marketing - build a really good site that actually offers some value.
3. I will setup a network of feeder sites on the other domains spread out across a bunch of cheap hosting accounts.
4. Seed the feeder sites with 5 - 10 pages of good content (different lengths 500-1200 words + images) and then setup a drip of content to all sites - plugins to do this on WordPress.
5. Start ramping up link building to money site - low risk links to money site.
6. Same with feeder sites... but as they get indexed and links start to build up in month 2+ I will ramp it up and using more blackhat to build bulk to feeder sites - don't get greedy though. Need to be patient. Also make sure your linking profile is diverse... don't do too much of one thing. I do everything from nukes to xrumer to manual using outsourcing to buying.

This is the 5000ft view and there are lots of little details but unless you are going to jump into some obscure niche that has limited potential I don't expect to see good results for 6-12 months at minimum - if it happens sooner great but I don't worry about it. I know I am going to have to spend money to get this done and I won't see return for a while but if you do it right it will be pretty stable when it gets there.

So the moral of the story is you need to be patient and stay focused on one niche and own that niche... and there are no short cuts that will give you a long term, stable return.

Once you get there with one, use that cash flow to speed up the development of the next... hire writers, VA, link builders.

First one is the hardest... once you get the first one nailed, second one is easier.