blureach

Anyone here volunteering for the campaign?

Just met with the Co-Chair of the Ron Paul Campaign of Louisiana and going to start helping with some organizing and fundraising.

Anyone here doing anything for the campaign?

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ly2 from WF

I don't volunteer for shit unless it's court ordered.

/just being honest

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Reversal Magnet

I don't care who you are... that's some funny shit!

Napolean

I drove from New York to New Hampshire to Ron Paul's campaign HQ. Left at 5am and got there at 11am. They sent me to a polling station where my wife and I held signs for Ron Paul and answered any questions voters had, spent about 6 hours out there. It was freezing too. Would do it again, and will do it again in New York. I would do it in PA too but the elections are on the same day.

We're also going to do our own campaigning here in New York for Ron Paul, independently though.

than_west

The most effective two items in order:

1. Cash (used properly to get more voters if spent properly)
2. Telephone calls for cash/votes

BeerNuts

Everyone that supports Paul needs to buy one of them yard signs from their shop or get one from the campaign. Put that shit in your yard now.

Think marketing, think exposure, there is a really why every election people still do that. The more signs the more exposure. When idiots go to the polls they vote for whois name pops in their head first.

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danke

I'm in Florida and have seen four advertisements on TV that were run by the Pro-Romney super-PAC since I got back in 30 minutes ago. I've also seen a few Anti-Gingrich ads on FB and an Obama banner ad on a few websites. Do you know how many Paul ads I've seen at all? (In a wealthy, historically Republican area)

NONE.

I've even seen Santorum advertisements...

I don't think he's even going to try for FL.

blureach

He hasn't He said he is spending absolutely no money on Florida (Correct me if I'm wrong).

He has very little chance of winning Florida so he is going after delegates in other states.

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danke

Makes sense, we're a winner take all state so it's probably just a waste of money... Then again...

Oh, nevermind.

cougarclaws

Delegate training on Saturday brah. I went to a watch party for the Iowa caucus a couple weeks ago and met a bunch of really sharp younger cats. Of course one or two of them were weird and annoying, but I was pretty impressed with the knowledge of economics, history, and philosophy with this group.

I'm looking for ways to get involved with the foot soldier stuff when it gets closer to Texas' primary but for now I think the best thing I can do is keep educating myself on the Austrian economics and history so I can sharpen my persuasion skills. I've tried to talk to a lot of my friends and what I actually hear more of than anything is "eh. dude I just don't care anymore." Those are the kinds of people who we need to be reaching.

Search meetup.com and you'll find people to connect with in your area.

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charlesmartel

I've got a Ron Paul sticker on my car right next to my dickroll bumpersticker (How's my driving, asshole? | Dick Roll Bumper Stickers) I've already dickrolled a few people. I know because they ripped off my sticker.

SUP3RNOVA

Going to participate in his campaign when the primary rolls around NY. Papajohn posted a link to some solid pamphlets, been handing those out for the time being.

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stickyicky

trololololol

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Fiver

I wanna find a Ron Paul office here in So Cal where I can help canvass with local college coeds, and then we'd all go out afterwards and get bombed.

This way I can help out Ron Paul and get laid at the same time...

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Napolean

I have those car magnets on both sides of my car too.

I drive all over. So if you ever see the black cadillac with the Ron Paul magnets in NY, PA, or NJ, thats me.

blureach

It's amazing how organized and unorganized the campaign is from my discussions with one of the delegates to be.

The "grass-roots" organization is impressive

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turbolapp

Anyone doing the calling? They've made it super automated and easy Phone from Home! I signed up yesterday but hadn't started yet. More about it here:
Ron Paul Phone From Home Program - The Secret Weapon | Ron Paul 2012 | Peace . Gold . Liberty

Alot of you sales guys (smooth talkers) would be awesome at this and its a way to contribute an hour here and there, while still making a worthy contribution to the cause.

turbolapp

PM me if anything good comes up in our area. I was looking at that Saturday thing yesterday. It's hard for me to break from the family on the weekends but I may still be able to swing it.

cougarclaws

Will let you know. Right now, it looks like the big event will be the Barbecue in early March. Its in freakin Trinity which isn't so bad for you because you're already half way there. I'll probably get a group together and carpool out there. Could be something fun to bring the family out to.

The Ron Paul "Grillin & Chillin" BBQ Cook-Off | Facebook

edit:
OH helllllll nah!
SCHEDULE OF EVENTS:
ALL DAY MARCH 3rd : Obama-car(E) Bash, Bake Sale, Horseshoes, Dominoes, Pool, Darts, Pin the Tail on the Donkey (yes, a new game with bit of a spin on it), Trivia
This event requires corn hole.

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turbolapp

Sweet. Just got family clearance to attend on Saturday's Delegate training. I'm a little confused about some things. I was reading something about being a registered republican to begin. Obviously I'm not. Is this going to be a problem? and more importantly, are people going to throw tomatoes at me?

JarredLv

I wear a Ron Paul shirt and have bumper stickers all over my car. I noticed that a lot of times I would go into a small store (like a smoke shop or guns tore) I would get comments from the owners on how much they love him...but had nothing to show their support. I got some signs, fliers, and bumper stickers and kept them in my truck. Now whenever someone says that I go get them some shwag to hang in their store.

Texas has a weird primary. You don't have to be a republican to vote republican, but when you go to vote in the primary you declare which party you want to vote for and then you get a ballot with those candidates. I'm sure someone at the training can help you clear it up.

And I doubt there would be tomatoes thrown. Paulites welcome all party affiliations.

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turbolapp

I seriously doubt I will get to become a delegate for the GOP. Especially when I make it clear that I never intend to vote for a Republican again after Ron Paul. But I think I'll still attend just to educate myself more and meet other Paul supporters.

That's a good idea with ordering the package and passing out the goods to people who comment.

Netphase

I have attended a few mock caucus sessions at the local campaign headquarters.

My wife and I are both planning to run for delegate in our precinct, 5 will be elected here. I will drop out if somebody else volunteers that I feel is more qualified and/or more likely to get votes from Romney/Gingrich/Santorum supporters.

If you are in a caucus state, get in touch with your local Ron Paul group or campaign headquarters so you can find out which delegates to vote for in your local precinct. Most will not be identifying themselves as Ron Paul supporters at the caucus.

cougarclaws

Awesome see you tomorrow. And Jarred's explanation is my understanding too. As long as you're registered to vote in Texas, you can vote in the primary.

never say never ;>

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turbolapp

Yeah I did some research this morning and figured out they're actually looking for wayward democrats and independents in open primary states like Texas. So yea!

Here's the state breakdown for open primaries, so if you're in the same boat as I am take note:

Alabama (50)
Arizona (Semi-closed, with primaries open only to unaffiliated or unrepresented voters, except for the Libertarian primary.)(57)
Arkansas (36)
Georgia (75)
Hawaii (Open primary for state, local, and congressional races; caucus system for presidential races.)(20)
Idaho (32)
Indiana (46)
Massachusetts (All races' primaries open for "unenrolled"/unaffiliated voters only)(41)
Michigan (59)
Mississippi (37)
Missouri (53)
South Carolina (50)
Tennessee (58)
Texas (152)
Vermont (17)
Virginia (49)
Wisconsin (42)

Total delegates for our taking in these Open Republican Primaries: 874 (1,212 needed to win)

2012 Open Primary States: The key to Ron Paul's Republican Nomination | Ron Paul 2012 | Peace . Gold . Liberty


Edit: Oh and with regards to Rand Paul, only time will tell if he stays true to his principles (which is key for me if I'm going to vote Republican again) but I haven't been as impressed with Rand as with Ron. Especially with his ideas on Foreign Policy. It seems he is just a Republican, with some libertarian leaning. As such, I have no interest. But I look forward to watching his track record.

Netphase

Ron Paul supporters won 5/5 delegate spots and 4/5 alternate spots at my MN precinct caucus last night.

I went to a party where Ron Paul was speaking afterwards and the lowest number that I heard there for any precinct was 50% of delegate spots filled by Ron Paul supporters, most were in the 75-100% range.

Ron Paul should have the numbers now to easily walk away with all of the MN delegates at the state convention even though Rick Santorum won the straw poll.

danke

I'm a Florida GOP delegate. You guys wouldn't like who I'm supporting though. lol

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turbolapp

^^exactly. And many delegates are keeping quiet about supporting RP to help pwn at the RNC in August.

BilltheButcher

I hit the money bombs and bought a bunch of swag. I still have all my 2008 stuff too.

Not sure if any of you participate in it, but I try to spend my time helping Campaign for Liberty.

vinnythejinny

so the delegates aint declared after the results? I thought cnn, cbs and other pro-romney channels always display delegate count? can you please explain?

turbolapp

Republican Party
The Republican Party of the United States utilizes a similar system with slightly different terminology, employing pledged and unpledged delegates. Of the total 2,380 Republican delegates, 1,719 are pledged delegates, who as with the Democratic Party, are elected at the state or local level. To become the Republican Party nominee, the candidate must win a simple majority of 1,191 of the 2,380 total delegates at the Republican National Convention.
A majority of the unpledged delegates are elected much like the pledged delegates, and are likely to be committed to a specific candidate. Many of the other unpledged delegates automatically claim the delegate status either by virtue of their position as a party chair or national party committee person. This group is known as unpledged RNC member delegates.
The process by which delegates are awarded to a candidate will vary from state to state. Many states use a winner-take-all system, where popular vote determines the winning candidate for that state, while a few others use a proportional representation. While the Republican National Committee does not require a 15% minimum threshold, individual state parties may impart such a threshold.
The unpledged RNC member delegates are free to vote for any candidate and are not bound by the electoral votes of their state. The majority of the unpledged delegates (those who are elected or chosen) are technically free to vote for any candidate; however they are likely to be committed to one specifically.[1]

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CitizenSmif

Thats a good idea. Do you get many people saying the opposite?

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vinnythejinny

thanks turbo, so he was referring to the unpledged ones. However, the pledged delegates to santorum cant flip-flop anymore right?

Netphase

Many times they display an "estimated" delegate count dividing them up by the straw poll results.

In the MN caucus hundreds/thousands of precinct delegates are elected on caucus night, some in each small precinct. My precinct had 5, I heard numbers as small as 1 and as large as 50+.

The precinct delegates all go to a larger area BPOU convention later and nominate/vote again between themselves on a smaller number of delegates to send to the state convention.

The ones elected at the BPOU convention go to the state convention in May and nominate/elect the 40 delegates from the group that will go to the National Convention in Tampa.

This is why Ron Paul has been focusing on organization in Caucus states. We were outnumbered by "other" supporters in our precinct, but their votes were split between the other 3 candidates and very few of them were willing to volunteer as delegates.

Iowa does the same thing. The Iowa caucus results all over the news was just a straw poll, their delegates won't be known until after their state convention in June. I have heard that Ron Paul supporter filled a large number of delegate spots there too.

Falian

Ron Paul knows he can't win the presidency, he's just setting up Rand Paul to win in 2020.

lukep

So you guys are saying that there is some hope afterall?

I can't believe it for the simple reason that those in power wouldn't have thought of closing that loophole somehow.

As much as I hope you're both right, I can certainly imagine seeing those secret delegates' votes being overturned or lost in Tampa.

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danke

I don't know what's sadder, LukeP seriously believing that there's a grand conspiracy against Ron Paul and most of us in the GOP just don't like him (and his supporters are mostly why), or that Turbolapp thinks you can go from being a liberal stay at home Mom to a RNC delegate attending Tampa 2012 in a few weeks.

And if that's how it is (I don't know for sure I'm a Republican Party of Florida member and elected RNC Delegate) in Texas fuck me, that place is backwards.

LOL

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DocApocalypto

GOP sent me some bullshit questionaire about Obamacare to rile me up to send them my money so they can elect Rombama. they asked me to use my own postage to save them money for the campaign so i filled the envelope with washers, bolts and beer caps and asked them not to mail me their trash. "yeah, i got a real bad temper."

turbolapp

I can and I most definitely will attempt it. It's almost a sure thing for me to be a delegate in my district. Next I go to the state convention in Fort worth where I will attempt to persuade them to send me to Tampa.

Will I actually get to go to the RNC? Who knows? but I'm enjoying watching the discomfort of the status quo establishment (such as yourself) as practice my rights as an American citizen.

(PS Florida is the actual backwards state where where winner-takes-all and the individual populist votes don't even count. Yea! No power to the people!)

lukep

I feel kinda sorry for you poor fools now.

I used to be mad because you were constantly in the way. But now that I've resolved to leaving this mess behind to people like you, I just pity you.

While I'm going to be living the good life in Asia, you and the rest of the red-&-blue-team members are going to still be proud of your silly little non-existent teams while your whole country is reduced to being another North Korea by the very people you keep voting for.

So sad indeed.

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lukep

I'm headed to Bangkok, down near the megamall strip. (Rama I/Chit Lom)

I just spent January there as kind of a test run. Beats the shit out of this sad country...

@danke: Here's some hard evidence for you as well. The MSM is undeniably targeting Ron Paul like Jon Stewart, Cenq, and many others have pointed out. This is now a FACT.

You can also search in YouTube for "Voter Fraud" and you'll see video after video of people with evidence of some kind all crooking these primary and caucus polls in ways that have hurt RP... Some of them are really damning!

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winforddenning

there is a really why every election people still do that.

turbolapp

Very relevant to thread topic:

In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.

Ron Paul Secretly Won the Caucuses

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On behalf of the staff of Microsite Masters, we would like to clarify that we are NOT targeting Ron Paul in anything unless it would be positive for him.

Thank you.

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Netphase

The delegate reports are like that from all over MN too. There was a lot of preparation and planning by both the campaign and supporters to win delegates in MN. I attended 3 mock caucuses at the Ron Paul headquarters earlier in the year to learn the caucus system. We picked our delegates before the night of the caucus, then went in prepared and concentrated our votes. Some of the really old people in my precinct seemed mad.

lukep

Effin' A! I'm up to 2.5% hope now.

I do wonder why they let this stuff leak though... Seems like Mitten's camp would be reading this now very carefully, look for weaknesses and compete with Paul head to head on this.

Is this press just getting out despite Paul's teams' best efforts?


LOL; If you notice I always abbreviated Microsite Masters as "MsM" out of proper respect.

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Netphase

The Ron Paul Campaign isn't really trying to hide it.

Straw Polls vs. Collecting Delegates - Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee

I think it is too late for anybody else to start organizing a similar effort now. We spent months identifying supporters and organizing for caucus night here.

lukep

Not good. Sun Tsu has some relevant words on the topic of letting your enemies see what you're up to...

At the very least, it gives the GOP time to get their LAWYERS pokeing around in Paul's bizness...


That's why I mentioned Romney. He's been shown to hire people to do his supporter work; It's not outside reason that he could simply hire some seriously-dedicated Delegates to infiltrate the same polls Paul is targeting.

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turbolapp

This plus the fact the delegate process is very complicated when you figure that it's different for every district, then every state, then nationally.

How Texas' 228 Delegates are Allocated

Texas has a mixed primary-caucus way of selecting delegates, in addition to "super delegates" -- but the process works well because it rewards the candidate that gets voters to the polls on election day.

193 "pledged" delegates decided by the primary-caucus system
35 "unpledged" or "super" delegates
The "super" delegates are self explanatory -- so let's see if we can't help you make sense of the primary-caucus mix of "pledged" delegates. Again, thanks to the Lone Star Project for doing a lot of our work for us.

How Texas' 193 "Pledged" Delegates Are Allocated -- Primary/Caucus Hybrid (2008)

126 delegates are "primary-chosen" delegates, allocated based on the results of votes cast on March 4. The 126 delegates that are allocated by the "regular" primary system will be the only ones that Senator Clinton and Senator Obama can add to their tally after March 4. These 126 delegates are divided based on the voting strength of each candidate in the 31 State Senate Districts across Texas.
Later today, I will have an exhaustively extensive post that looks at each of those 31 State Senate Districts to try and see where either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama may hope to play strongly.

67 delegates are "caucus-chosen" delegates, allocated at the state convention.
Overall, the vast majority of delegates that can be won in Texas are based on the voting totals -- because the "caucus-chosen" delegates are only assigned based on who shows up to the local precinct conventions the day of the election. We explain below.
An Explanation of the 67 "Caucus-Chosen" Delegates

There is a four-page document provided by the Texas Democratic Party that explains how the 67 "caucus-chosen" delegates are picked and allocated. If you really, really want to know how this works, you can read it by clicking here. Here's the most important points, though:

This process rewards whichever candidate organizes its voters to attend the precinct conventions after the polls close.
Delegates that work their way through the precinct and county/district conventions are free to switch their candidate support at any time until the state convention -- but normally (and especially if the race is still undecided at the time of the state convention in June) -- delegates won't switch.
Here, now -- for those true political junkies out there -- is a summary of how the Texas caucus system works:
42 at-Large delegates allocated by the "caucus" system. The allocation of these 42 delegates (by candidate preference) is based on the presidential preference expressed state convention delegates (who are chosen at their precinct and county conventions) when they sign in at the state convention June 6.
Let's do an example: 100 people attend a precinct convention (which is held 15 minutes after the polls close). 80 of those attending the precinct convention support Obama, and 20 support Clinton. Let's assume your precinct gets to select 5 delegates to the County Convention. 4 of those Delegates would be "pledged" to Obama, and 1 would be "pledged" to Clinton. Those 5 people go to the County Convention.

At the County Convention, the same process is repeated. Let's say there are 100 people at the County Convention -- these are the 100 delegates that were chosen at all of the precinct conventions around the County. At the County Convention, let's say 75 are "Obama precinct convention" delegates and 25 are "Clinton precinct convention" delegates. Based on the county strength -- the percentage of statewide Democratic votes that came from your county -- let's say your County gets to send 4 delegates to the State Convention. 3 of those delegates would be "pledged" to Obama, and 1 would be "pledged" to Clinton.

The identical process is followed at the State convention. Let's say 100 delegates go to the State Convention -- these are the 100 delegates that were chosen to represent their candidate at the County Convention. Of these 100 delegates at the State Convention, 66 (2/3) vote for Obama and 34 (1/3) vote for Clinton. The 42 at-large delegates are split along this percentage division -- so Obama would have an additional 28 delegates (2/3 of 42) attend the DNC Convention, while Clinton would have 14 delegates (1/3 of 42) attend the DNC Convention.

I grossly under-represented the numbers at every convention level for illustrative purposes; if you can follow this logic (and I've tried as best I could to help you), you'll understand the main point: this process awards whichever campaign has the best grassroots effort to get their voters to stay after the polls close and attend the precinct convention. This is truly a process where the numbers build up -- and yes, it's crazy. But we're Texas -- what would we be if we weren't at least a little crazy.

Also, 25 pledged "super delegates" allocated by the caucus system. The 25 pledged "party delegates" are party leaders, Democratic Mayors and Legislators. They are all allocated along the same lines as the delegates attending the State convention. Using the 2/3 to 1/3 split I described above, 17 of the 25 delegates (2/3) would be for Obama, and 8 delegates (1/3) would be for Clinton. As a note, only a candidate receiving a 15 percent threshold may receive votes.




TL;DR
126 "primary-chosen" delegates, allocated based on the results of votes cast in texas primary.
42 at-large, "caucus-chosen" delegates that come up through the primary and county convention.
25 pledged "party delegates" allocated by the presidential preference of delegates attending the State convention.
35 unpledged "super delegates"

And that's just Texas. Multiply that complexity by 50 and then add in the actual rules of the RPN and it's no wonder most people don't really "get it".

Add these two factors in plus the fact that the media won't cover Ron Paul until they absolutely have too and America will still be in the dark until it's too late. Hence, the reason Ron Paul is not worried about the strategy being outted.