Pseudo Nym

Wait times probably vary between provinces in Canada, seeing as how they have a fair amount of autonomy to manage their own programs.

Regarding Denmark, it is a pretty small country, so that probably had something to do with the wait time to see a specialist.
Also, sounds like they've taken some steps to deal with wait times:
Health Care in Denmark | ThinkProgress

mattseh

I don't think you'd do well in Ireland brah

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mattseh

It is my understanding that moving up a tax bracket means you only pay the higher percentage on the amount over the limit. It is like this in the UK, I'd be very surprised if it was different in the US. Am I wrong?

Edit: Accordint to Deliguy I am wrong. What a load of BS!

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tspesh

No...

Lets use play numbers

Tax Bracket 1 = $0-$10
Tax Bracket 2 = $10-$20

If I make $15, I pay $10 @ Tax Bracket 1 and $5 at Tax Bracket 2.

You'll never make less money because you've moved into a new tax bracket.

DocApocalypto

doesn't change the facts...lol at almost ANY mainstream news source. but i know the trendy lemmings think its only fox.

tspesh

You go first

DocApocalypto

no, you are right.

but....

In Entitlement America, The Head Of A Household Of Four Making Minimum Wage Has More Disposable Income Than A Family Making $60,000 A Year | ZeroHedge

Pseudo Nym

No, you're not wrong. This was already called out on the 1st page.

tspesh

Now that is an interesting article.

Beach Affiliate

ITT: People learnin' bout them tax brackets.

Shit, people. That was the first thing I looked up a few years when I realized I was finally making a significant jump.

For a forum full of people that supposedly make money, there's a lot of people here that aren't very well-read on it.

poisonsembrace

Retail is fucked but with the mining boom continuing and the rise of China + India, we can ride out any coming recession. Our government recently decided they would sell yellowcake to India and lifted the previous ban.

Things won't always be perfect but we've weathered all the bad shit over the past 5 years quite well compared to any other country and hopefully that will continue.

subigo

I didn't read all of the posts in this thread, but it doesn't seem like any of you understand the true reason for welfare...

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ly2 from WF

To piss OP off and to keep the idiot masses from rioting?

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tspesh

It doesn't take an education to make money. You also aren't intelligent because you can make money. Want proof? Read around...

subigo

Hurrah!

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mattseh

I don't think you'd do well in Ireland brah

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Beach Affiliate

Exactly. But that doesn't make it any less pathetic that people don't even read up on things that directly effect their financial situation.

Was just an observation. Nothing more.

A few years ago I started reading so much on it, I eventually realized the more I knew, the more I didn't know.

That's when I got a good accountant. The good thing is that I can speak to him at least semi-intelligently (as opposed to before, which would have consisted of little more than grunts and clicks).

BilltheButcher

ODB picked up his food stamps in a limo. That explains the US welfare system in a nut shell.

Pseudo Nym

Some things:

• Mississippi doesn't have a minimum wage
• Estimating the $60k family's health insurance at $16.5k, ascribing it to Medicaid benefits, and counting it as part of the "disposable income" of the minimum wage family is... dubious
• Section 8 is pretty hard to get (years-long waiting lists)
• SSI (mentioned, though not part of the calculation) is also hard to get (most people are rejected at the first hearing)

tspesh

No it doesn't...

Beach Affiliate

LOL! The federal minimum wage is $7.25/hr. Mississippi just doesn't have any additional minimum wage laws, which is why the author used that as an example. If he'd used a state that had additional minimum wage provisions, it would throw off being an across-the-board example.

From the Dept. of Labor page I just linked you to: "Many states also have minimum wage laws. Some state laws provide greater employee protections; employers must comply with both."

Pseudo Nym

You're right, my bad. It's interesting that so many states have minimum wages lower than the federal minimum though.

danke

LOL, are you wearing your "Hope" t-shirt?

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excelerate

Welfare is what we pay the poor to not kill us.

Once we take that option away we leave them no more options. Don't act like someone who is starving and can't feed their family wont risk their life in a last attempt to live.

Beach Affiliate

But...they don't. The federal law is the bare minimum. There are states that have additional minimums but no state can go under the minimum $7.25 per hour.

Unless its for service industry people, which is another racket entirely so I'll just leave that one alone.

ly2 from WF

We could always just kill the poor. Fire up the gas chambers bros.

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"Aint nuthin, man. Dis juss how I do."

peacestone

As apposed to getting a job washing dishes in a restaurant? I don't think the entire carpet should be pulled from underneath them in 1 shot, but rather phased out.

excelerate

Too much bureaucracy to ever phase anything out. It'd have to be done in one shot if it's going to get done at all. Also there aren't that many jobs in the ghetto because no one in their right mind wants to put a business there.

geomark

I live in what some people call a developing country. I went in for an allergy test a couple of months ago. One of those tests where they put a matrix of potential allergans on your back and then measure the reactions. I already had an appointment at the hospital to see a foot specialist so I asked for an appointment at the allergist around the same time. I had to wait a little when I got there because it was pretty busy, so the doctor saw me 30 minutes late. But the test was done quickly and after another 30 minutes to allow time for skin reactions the doc examined it and gave me a run down of things I am allergic to. Total cost was US$20 - that is total without any insurance. This was at a public hospital so it was cheaper than the private hospitals here. I could have walked into a private hospital with no appiontment and had it done in plush surroundings while sipping a Starbucks from the lobby, but I was at the public hospital already.

Point of the story? None really, just trolling.

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geomark

Originally Posted by adionline
What the fuck is this? I live in Canada and you can see a doctor the same day for FREE. So fuck that chart.


So that's why you have something called "wait list insurance" where you can buy insurance in case you have to leave the country for surgery due to the wait time being too long.

Canada’s wait list insurance phenomenon | The Medical Travel Site

Wait times are so bad that they have spawned a market for insurance.

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subigo

A broken blog page from 2009. Definitely a legit source.

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geomark

Works fine for me. Challenged are we?

YouTube video on the subject

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itchy

it doesn't take long to get acclimatized, til then we have aircon too

poisonsembrace

There is insurance for all types of shit that you don't need insurance for. Hardly useful for your argument.

geomark

It's not *my* argument. It's a problem that is large enough that it spawned a new industry niche. The fact that the market brought forward a solution is a much stronger point than a couple of individuals' opinions on a forum.

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joevis

Do you know any real welfare stats or are you just acting out like a child?

What percentage of the population is on welfare because of health reasons that are no fault of their own freak accident, freak disease etc ?

How long is the average person on welfare?

What percentage of people that come off welfare, stay off welfare?

What percentage of welfare people end up generating more taxes because they were guided through a job finding process and provided with clothes for an interview, tools etc.

My ex is a welfare case worker with the provincial government of Ontario. I know some serious shit about how it works here in Canada. It seems you are just stereotyping them into fat lazy drug users looking for handouts. Everybody gets handouts in life, some bigger than others sure, but everybody get some handouts.

I used to meet her for lunch and have been inside of the office many times. It's not just a bank teller handing out shit. They have a huge computer lab that is usually stocked full of people looking for jobs. Sure a few people surfing Facebook but they probably don't have internet at home and still have friends so that's understandable.

She dealt mostly with people who were new to welfare but were in the process of applying for a permanent disability program that pays roughly double what welfare does. 90% of people did not get approved. These are seriously fucking sick people. You had to get a doctor to fill out a 10 page document saying could never work again. If you found a doctor, and if the office approved your application, then it gets sent to Toronto where some committee votes on it roughly 6-9 months later.

If you got denied for super welfare you get hounded every month until you find a job. She would set up meetings for them at places that were willing to hire pretty much anybody. She was like a super headhunter for welfare people. If they didn’t go to the meetings or were deemed not actively trying to get a job they were suspended from the program. People got suspended like crazy every month. The first of the month is like Boxing Day at Best Buy at the welfare office. Everybody gets suspended and they all come in to find out why, some get back on, some don’t.

People will make bad decisions and end up not being able to pay the rent. Bad decisions are the foundation of our economy. Fast food, electronics, fucking everything. I bought a $200 kitchen knife the other day because I like to cook and chop shit like a samurai. My brother is a retard and thinks he can beat the casino at slot machines. He makes bad decisions all the fucking time. If people didn’t make bad decisions we’d have no affiliate networks because they wouldn’t have any offers aside from car insurance.
The welfare percentage isn’t growing exponentially and every country has people on welfare. Why are you getting mad a constant that you can’t change? While you’re at it you might as well get pissed at gravity.
There isn’t room on this planet for everybody to live comfy, so who cares what the fuck they do as long as they’re not burning down our comfy houses.

Governments spend billions on shit that is way more stupid than welfare. So accept that this is how it is and remember that for every 60 seconds you spend being a raging teenage faggot I’m spending 60 seconds accepting the world and laughing at how dumb you are.

Alternatively you can raise an army and kill everybody you think is different. Good luck bro.

ly2 from WF

why get a job when unemployment pays just as good?

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The only reason you should pity them is for being dumb enough to put all their eggs in one basket. Anyone who relies on a single source of retirement income isn't too bright. But hey, that's exactly the kind of mentality a welfare state perpetuates. Don't need to plan for my future, someone else has it taken care of.

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seolinker

Which country is that ? I have in mine like 5-6 groups of similar tests divided by vegetables, animals, fruits etc groups of allergens costing like $40 total. Also just one component of allergy costs like $5-$20, depends.

Done via blood, results after 3-4 days for package, 1-2 days for one component. All without any "wait".

P.S. If you need to wait for a doctor your country is more fucked up than 3rd world one.

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geomark

Do you really think even the tiniest strand of peach fuzz on my huge pimpled affiliate butt is set aquiver by such a weak sauce attempt at trolling?

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geomark

Speaking of the Dead Kennedys (veering off topic), I was a juror in the trial of Jello Biafra when he was charged with "distributing harmful matter to minors" - they had a rude poster by that bizzaro artist named Geiger included in one of their albums. What do you all think of the legal system and trial by jury? If there is anything that gives welfare competition for being the biggest cluster f* it's the court system.

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pixelo

Europe isn't "broke" you numbskull, its a diverse continent with 30+ countries. Germany for instance, which applies much of the unspecified "eurofagottry" that you refer to (presumed to be welfare state, employment rights for workers, free/cheap education, free/subsidised healthcare) is the world's second biggest exporter and is booming. The middle class have comfortable lives, unlike the US where millions cant even get hospital treatment and live off foodstamps.

Germany has the economic strengths America once boasted - latimes.com

Some countries in Europe are totally fucked from overspending and corruption, e.g. greece, but everyone in those countries has access to basic services. but some regions of the US are like a 3rd world country with no safety net for the poor who are shut out of society "because theyre lazy and want handouts".

pixelo

I love the propaganda about how the poor are supposedly living lives of luxury on welfare, "taken care of" by the state.

Wealthy Fox pundit Stuart Varney reminds poor people just how much better off they are nowadays | Crooks and Liars

"Poor" in America - The Colbert Report - 2011-26-07 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

Ive never done it, but I can be pretty confident that living on welfare is SHIT.

danke

LOL, everyone wants to bring up the only rich regions in whole continents as examples... I could do the same, my town has a median family income over $130K, doesn't mean that what works here works everywhere.

Most people on welfare are lazy, because most people are lazy...

Most people who don't even think they're lazy are too deluded to know that they're lazy.

I've seen it, I had roommates who were on it, I even had one try and give me his card once his student loan money (it was the difference from FAFSA: $5,000 from uncle sam) came in because "you shouldn't have to pay for food".

Handouts neuter the psyche and dull the spirit. And if you like living in your middle class utopia somewhere, congrats.

Me? I like the idea of seeing a Ferrari every morning and wiggling my toes in the sand.

If you want to live and die like a lemming so be it.

Never be a minion.

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pixelo

By "Rich Regions" you mean Germany? Population 80 million?

Your town isn't an independent country.

danke

Oh, I guess you didn't get the memo. I was ignoring you because Germany is a stupid example. Your per capita GDP is lower than the USA's and you're nearly four times smaller in population. Not to mention you have a lower Human Development Index... Hurr durr

Per Capita GDP:
Germany: $37,935
United States: $48,147

Don't even get us started on some WWII jokes.

THE USA is #4 in HDI as well as the most populous and largest in area on the list and the only one out of the top 7 that doesn't tax you into the next century.

Ever wonder why people come here? Because the American consumer moves the world, by the way...

FUCK SOCCER.

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tspesh

You do know who ODB was, right?

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