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Never get why people buy this shit.. eat a fucking banana before your work out and a good diet, you don't need supps. You can buy so much food at the prices these products sell for.
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I love Jack3d, USP Labs should seriously hire me as a representative, the amount of people I've referred to that product is crazy. But they've had some real bad PR as of late.. People just need to be more educated on cycling pre work out supplements because tolerance does build up fairly quickly and to receive that same high you have to increase your dosage significantly.
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That 'fucking banana' won't put you in an early grave by the time your 50. Seriously people consume way too many drugs and supplements, your body doesn't need and in most cases cant handle the constant abuse of high caffeine products like jacked. It gives you energy but its also putting strain on your heart. It's fine to work out to your body's natural limit until you can't go any further, just don't increase that threshold by loading up shit like jacked in your system, because that's when you're asking for trouble.
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Be interesting to know how much they took and what they where doing. The stuff does one thing, get's you Jack3d, that's for sure. I've taken diet pills back in the day that got me way more jacked up than that, and they did remove them from the shelf. Usually it was because people where abusing them.
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I prefer Assault. If I want a big kick in the head I'll add some DMAA to it, I have some pure DMAA sitting around for when I need a little boost.
DMAA witch hunt is all it is I think, unless of course it is proven that without a doubt it was the DMAA that did them in, which they wouldn't be able to...this shit should be ignored. Don't use stims if you have heart problems, simple. |
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inb4 10 other fat asses on this forum die from ODing on this shit.
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It builds up with no real crash, doesn't have the big hit though. Some people like the harder hitting things better. Each to their own of course, most pre workouts now are just caffeine, L-arginine and DMAA. |
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It's funny, I can drink alcohol all night and be fine...
... but if I drink just one of those energy drinks I get the worst stomach ache ever.
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Not saying DMAA is bad for you, but I wouldn't be putting something like that in my body unless it was clinically tested and shown to be safe.
The risk/reward for taking it vs not taking it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It probably is safe for you; but the gain you get from taking it imo does not outweigh even a small possibility that it will fuck your health up in the long run. And lol at everyone here who suddenly knows more about medicine than doctors doing toxicology reports.
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Holy shiiiiiiiiiiiiit. I haven't seen you around here in forever lol.
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I love Jack3d. If this story causes any real shitstorm I'll be stocking up on it. |
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The government/army sells and makes a profit off of booze and tobacco at these base stores - FAR more deadly per user, and then they freak out when people who shouldn't have been taking this in the first place get hurt.
Meanwhile they pop GO Pills (full-on amphetamines!!) down everyone's throats and think that 1,3 dimeth is unsafe? What a joke.
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i used to use supplements and have since stopped. the workouts i do now are 3x as more "brutal" as what i used to do as well. i don't have any issues pushing through it as long as i'm eating right. i also think it's more intelligent to spend your money on food.
i've heard jack3d is actually the one supplement that actually does something but i don't like the idea of having to rely on taking something to be able to perform well so i avoid taking anything. i've been making consistent strength, conditioning and endurance gains without any supplements |
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I hike around 120 miles a month and try to target only trails that have 1k+ elevation change. Don't tell me a fucking banana is going to help me more when I'm climbing up a cliff of rocks. I usually go at half the suggested dose and I don't take it regularly and cycle off as suggested etc etc. I don't go to the gym, and im not in amazing shape, I'm just a guy that likes nature and hiking and I can say for sure that jacked makes it much more enjoyable. |
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'naaerrm sayinnn?
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Implying Harvard grads are smart. Implying doctors are smart.
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the problem with using these supplements is that your body starts requiring them every time you're doing whatever physical activity you take them for, which makes any type of competition training less realistic.
for your regular gym goer that's doing a normal 5-day split type routine and then going home, it's fine to take supplements if it helps you, even if it's a placebo effect. for people that take it seriously as a hobby or for competition, it makes no sense to use supplements that would be considered "performance enhancing" if you're trying to gauge your strength and your natural athletic abilities if you're relying on something to get through your training. bottom line though is i think it's foolish to say jack3d is going to pose a serious threat to the majority of people that take it. think about how many people binge on cocaine and heroin and don't die. everything effects people differently. |
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Jacked is the only thing I take and it isn't consistant either because I take 1 week breaks every 4 weeks and don't use it daily.
Wasn't trying to show off and it isn't that impressive of a number; I know people who do much more. I was just saying that for a fat ass like me, that's a big workout and I was happy to get some added energy from a supplement. Quote:
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Jack3d is great but honestly there's better. If they go after DMAA, the supplement companies will just do what they did after the ephedra ban.
If you want to try something non-DMAA that I think works better, give MusclePharm Assault a shot.
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Good point...but I think it's important to note that (kinda off Eric's comment) not all doctors are smart and not all Harvard graduates are smart. The guy you scraped by and graduated dead last in his class is still a doctor. It's different for Harvard because of their admissions criteria, but the guy at the bottom most likely will not be as good as the guys at the top of their graduating classes.
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I don't remember the last time I did a work out without Jack3d....that shit is just to good. If I only make it to the gym 2-3 times a week I see a few scoops of a supp as a positive thing to maximize any sort of benefit from being there.
At least I'm not like Stallone who believed that when he actually yelled at his muscles to "grow" out loud during sets, he got better gains....true story. |
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