daseoman

Looks like this new Panda BS hit a few of my sites. The problem is that i have been very careful and picky about link velocity and also where the links come from but still a few sites got hit..

I am using contextual links as much as possible, private networks, ALN, wiki sites and i couple these with social bookmarks and tier2 links..

Are you guys having similar experiences? Any one have any tips on how to avoid or fix this?

Here are also some boobs for reading this

tspesh

No. My traffic is up.

Dresden14

Your not alone. And pic # 1 needs a titty lift.

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jtgoodgame

I got knocked back a bit recently, I've heard of a new penalty or something about ads above the fold. My main project now I've been using private blog networks with some HPBL. They might be discounting these links.

rockstar45177

yeah watch out for ads above the fold

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daseoman

Has anyone been doing any testing with what can get your rankings back and was successful? I will be starting my testing today and was wondering if anyone has any tips.

As for above fold ads, haven't heard about that, but i read that having a site that makes the visitor scroll down for content can get you a drop in your rankings.. We are not doing that so that is not the problem..

shane8960

Had a few sites drop back a bit, mainly ones with content pushed to the bottom - even without ads (ie ecommerce style sites with product listings at the top and content at the bottom of the page).

Also had been using ALN on a few tier 2 properties which I had on the front page for low competition terms, most have dropped back a few pages. Possibly just the articles slipping back through the pages on the sites as I've stopped using ALN though.

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mimoza3

Nice boobs.
lost rankings last week of January, start to see them go up again in the last 3 days.

vinnythejinny

the new update which went in 2 days back is mainly related to on site visitor time spent and bounce rate. This is different from the above the folds update that went into affect in last week of jan. they are updating their indexes and algos faster than a baby changing a diaper.

SEO will be dead in 6 months from now then just pray for good rankings

Linklover

I built a new site recently. Used SEO Powersuite Website Optimizer for onpage. Got up over 90% for a single 2 word KW for most pages. Been throwing a variety of links at it with very varied anchors inc. some social as well.

The site began ranking last week. I hit 11 for one of the main kw on the home page. one kw ranked for a different page than was optimized for. Most of the pages were ranking for the kw specified. yesterday everything went haywire.

rankings dropped to mid 100's but every kw is for an unoptimized page. weird.

I expect this to be the new site dance until things stabilize.

Anyone else see their pages ranking for non optimized kws?

tonymontana

Had the EXACT same thing happen. Took about a week for all my rankings to recover.

BilltheButcher

Does the second chick have fur around her belly button that they forgot to edit out?

mx=headroom

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

IceToEskimos

every day I come to WF to find out if the sky is falling, and every day it is.

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daseoman

Well i have to say i am seeing really strange stuff.. From going from number 1 to 53, to going from number 8 to 400+. This last example was after an ALN service that i bought from WF.. I did mix it up with wiki links so that it is not just one type of links but still it went down the tube..

And yeah, i am also seeing unoptimized pages being before the one i optimized at the moment..

I am almost certain that these penalties could not have come from my link building efforts but i do believe that some new G change triggered this shit, now i just need to digg out what the hell triggered this. I don't do spam links but mostly bookmarks, wikis, web 2.0 and a lot of private networks either from here or the usual ones (ALN..) so i think that is not something that should trigger this, or most of WF would be seeing these results..

daseoman

It is either fur or freckles.. I really didn't do such a thorough check before posting

IceToEskimos

I'm seeing something similar to this for one of my sites. Sitemap is ranking for my main KW, while my homepage is nowhere to be found.

No ALN, No Wikilinks, No private network links on this site.

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wayn3

Maybe if everyone who sees drops mentions that he diversifies with wikilinks, that could be the poison that fucks up your rankings.

ALN is the shit, sites rank on that alone.

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daseoman

IceToEskimos, that is info that i can work with. What kind of links did you make for the site? Are you updating it with content often? Adsense site?

wayn3 go sig whoring somewhere else. This thread is do discuss ranking changes and how to fix them. If you did any testing then give us the results, saying ALN is the shit doesn't mean jack shit to me.. I am using ALN on almost all of my sites but still many of the got hit..

IceToEskimos

This site is only about a month old, so obviously there's room for some dance in there, but it was sitting at #8 for two main KW's, and 3 days ago it just dropped out of the SERPS.

No Adsense, site had about 2k bookmarks, AA blog comments, Web 2.0 on it when it dropped.

Initially, I thought the drop was due to some less than user-friendly JS I had placed on the site, but I removed that instantly, and I haven't seen any improvement beyond the sitemap suddenly appearing to rank for both main KWs.

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Noobzy

I lost 60% of my BUSINESS not damn rankings... if you've been using blog networks heavily, then you should had hit...

Some of guys in my niche lost $5000/day established sites... damn!

Here is a sample... Cheap Auto Insurance Quotes | Get the Best Rates Fast check semrush, then check current ranks. FFFFFuck.

Gamer_boy12

^^ I don't know about you friend but I rely on blog networks too heavily and not one website has been touched.

$5000/day on that site? that site sucks dick.

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daseoman

Do you think that the fact that social bookmarks are not as strong as they were has something to do with this? I mean, since their power is down, the devaluated strength of bookmarks could have that affect IMO..

I also used social bookmarks on all my sites and i am wondering that since the fact that those strong links are gone, that could have brought my rankings crashing down..

But still with the diversified link portfolio that i provide for each site, it still should not be such a big fucking deal.. I always just did the initial SB blast then i went on to many other different backlinks..

Noobzy

Haha...

autoinsurancequoteseasy.com - SEMRush's main report for domain

SE Traffic 86k
SE Traffic price $4,009k

IceToEskimos

I hit this particular site with a standard SB blast off the bat, and that planted it on the front page within 3 days. I hear a lot of talk about SBs being devalued, but I haven't seen them not work as an initial rank boost yet. Some people may have, I'm not going to argue with anyone else's personal experience.

MY link profile was not diverse by any means, so a bookmark devaluation could certainly explain my drop, but if you have a solid profile I can't imagine you'd be hit as hard.

Maybe G is reworking the value of bookmarks, and everybody is going to dance for a little while until they settle on the new weight.

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daseoman

Ok, so how was your anchor diversity? I have been reading another thread here and a few other things around the web and i have been seeing that could be a problem.

I haven't been using many "natural" link phrases in my anchors and not much variations as well.. Although again, some sites where i did the same, didn't get hit..

Sigh.. At the moment the rankings are all over the place and changing daily from 80 to 400 for some sites..

Big Joe

My rankings have been bouncing for the last couple weeks as well. I lost all of my first place rankings that have been holding strong for a long time now.

Last month everyone thought it had to do with ads. Now everyone thinks its anchor diversity.

I think its because googles a bitch and just doesn't like some people.

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IceToEskimos

Anchor diversity is 50/50 relevant/natural. Although on the web 2.0s it's 100% relevant. I didn't spin the bookmark titles as thoroughly as I have in the past, but I can't see that being the issue.

Again, I may have a completely different problem here, because of the javascript I had on my page.

This site I'm talking about is nowhere to be found in the SERPS, but it's a PR 2 as of today.

Cute.

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IceToEskimos

here's what G has to say: 17 search quality highlights: January - Inside Search

Fresher results. [launch codename “nftc”] We made several adjustments to the freshness algorithm that we released in November. These are minor updates to make sure we continue to give you the freshest, most relevant results.

Improve detection of recurrent event pages. [launch codename “neseda”] We made several improvements to how we determine the date of a document. As a result, you’ll see fresher, more timely results, particularly for pages discussing recurring events.


wondering if all this freshness noise is related to the PR updates for brand new pages.

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igl00

igl00 neva loosin ranks

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BilltheButcher

Your lack of attention to these types of details could be the reason your rankings are dropping.

Andrey

yeah this site was no joke! Probably made like half a mil in a few months I've been watching it.

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daseoman

Touche my friend.. It might be yes, but i am looking to change this now.. Testing what is working and what is not and opening a discussion for anyone that wants to pitch in his/her experience to get rankings back on track..

seocomp

Since Saturday nearly all my websites and also clients websites drop in SERPS 5-10 places. Today started PR update and most of my domains homepages have still old PR but pages have new PR. Its very strange as I have few domains with homepage PR0-1 and pages have PR2-4. I hope domain homepages will get better PR within few hours and come back to previous SEPS results.

marcoose

Well my three main sites got bashed severely over the weekend and if I was a chick I would be crying right now. The thing that fucks me off is that it's going to take so long to figure out what the problem is and by the time I do they will have probably brought in another update to fuck me up even more!

I am pretty careful with my sites (as careful as someone that buys links off WF can be), build lots of new content and create aesthetically pleasing, solid sites and would tell G to go fuck themselves but it turns out I need them a lot more than they need me!

If someone who is better at SEO can actually figure out what the problem is here: KW diversity, spam et al then I will be forever greatful cos I aint going to be a millionaire without my sites!!

Dos Equis

lost ranks too fuck google panda....nice pics

ly2 from WF

All you guys who took a hit this weekend, PM me. I want to talk to your guys on Skype or PM and compare sites to see if we see a common theme. I had a few important sites get hit this weekend.

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adionline

The only sites that have been taking hits for me in the last month are newer 1 pagers with aggressive link building (which doesn't really surprise me). It seems all my fuller sites with at least 5 articles plus plumbing and 1000+ words on the homepage are holding steady over the weekend with most rankings improving slightly. These sites are also being linked to but at a much more steady pace.

Otinsdale

i had an ecom type site get hit. all the pages had the item pic, price, buy now button, video link, etc.. at the top and long item descriptions under all that.

I just rearranged the site layout to put the text info at the top and the normal top crap under the info.

will post back if I see any bounce back from the change.

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daseoman

I got an ecom site that actually doesn't really have any text on the front page and that one is the only one that has actually gained a few positions in rankings! I hope that this doesn't change in the coming days..

ly2 from WF

I've talked to many people in this thread now, and compared sites.

There are no similarities with:

• site age
• types of backlinks
• site layout
• niche
• PR

The only thing that keeps coming up is ALN. However, a few of the sites including one of mine in the list of smacked sites did not use ALN. In fact, one of my sites has had almost no link building done. But ALN does keep coming up in conversation.

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ly2 from WF

Hmm, pligg/bookmarks are also coming up a lot. Has everyone here been using pligg? I actually did use pligg on all three of my sites that got hit.

That being said, I also used pligg on the other 200 sites I have that were left un-touched.

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daseoman

Yeah as i said before i also used social bookmarks (many on pligg platform) on all sites and some were left unharmed...

I have also been talking to a few people and can't find anything that all have in common except for the ranking drop.

ly2 from WF

Think you're affected by the recent algorithm change? Post here. - Webmaster Central Help
very relevant

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Big Joe

My only site thats still sitting at #1 never got ALN and the only SB was done by Lalit months ago and he doesn't use Pligg. This is a very low comp site though.

I also have a site that was built around the same time with the same links and that one hit page two about a week ago.

Across all my sites there is no consistent reason why they fell out of the sky.

I think hearing from the people that took our spots might show a clearer picture.

One of my sites was doing incredible up until last week when an EMD with 3 high PR tumblr links took #1

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adionline

It might be something to do with bookmarking and link velocity. That's my best guess. Those of you getting hit been dripping your SB's or doing one time blasts?

MattCutts

I highly recommend reading our FAQs for Webmasters to see why your site may have been affected by a recent algorithm change:

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Cygnus

Matt's just in for the tits.

jeffrey

Mind Blown

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