dreamache

Few days ago we saw the slate.com article about how he won all the delegates in certain areas, which confused the shit out of me and how that whole system works..

This video does well in explaining what's going on if you're unclear.. Second half of the video RP's campaign adviser speaks.

leadsupplier

really good. i like how that guy talk about the system being gamed and bent for romney. i wish he would do more shit.

i'm still a little confused on delegates tho. are they ultimately the voters w the final say?

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Netphase

The Wall Street Journal "Delegate Tracker" shows Santorum with all of the MN delegates, but I doubt he will end up with even 1 MN delegate when the process is over. Precinct delegates supporting Ron Paul should have the numbers to easily win 100% of the delegate spots at the next level in MN.

I have still only heard of 1 MN precinct where Ron Paul supporters filled less than 50% of the delegate spots. We easily won all of the delegate spots in my precinct. Nobody was encouraged to leave after the straw vote like Maddow suggested. Most of the other candidate supporters were really old, not many of them even wanted to be delegates, and their delegate votes were not as organized which made them less effective.

Yes. Delegates decide at the Republican National Convention in Tampa.

turbolapp

Here comes the Boom.

music4mic

very interesting to say the least. I expect to see something big happen at the convention.

Cygnus

What I find humorous is the same exact strategy was attempted 4 years ago; Paul just didn't have the same level of support he does today. Perhaps because of that his competitors aren't making a credible attempt to stop him. Quite curious.

Gambit

Rachel Maddow pisses me off though. I saw this vid on Pauls FB page and she kept trying to spin it like what he was doing was somehow unethical.

But you can only hold people back from the truth for so long.

"You can't stop an idea who's time has come."

Andrey

Not sure if this was posted before:

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charlesmartel

There's a RP money bomb on Valentine's day, bitches!

No One But Ron Paul MONEY BOMB! *** February 14th ***

Gambit

Ron Paul as VP? I'd take it, but I doubt it would happen.

turbolapp

The republicans are saying it too:

People in the precincts who wanted to run as delegates for the county assembly had the right to announce which candidate they supported, but they could also remain uncommitted. The uncommitted delegates, Ryan Call, Colorado Republican Party chairman said, would essentially run on the premise that their fellow precinct voters could trust their judgment when it came to picking delegates to represent the right candidate.

"What we did find, however, is that a lot of the Ron Paul delegates refused to tell their caucus voters who they were supporting," Call said. "That's unfortunate to a degree because then that undermines the representative nature of caucuses and assemblies."

Ron Paul's Fuzzy Delegate Math - TheStreet


The funny thing is everyone is acting like this is new and surprising when this is exactly how Obama won over Hillary.
The real difference is the national populace vote at that time was usually neck and neck but Obama had the delegates, so he won. So yeah if Paul pulls it off it will be quite a shock to the establishment. But they don't call it an "upset" for nothing

Simplepro

Your system is so fucked up lol ..... How did the people who made the electoral system in the USA not see all the logical fallacies in the system. *mind blown*

Unarmed Gunman

So wait - Canada has a queen? But your queen is actually the Queen of England...?

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turbolapp

This. How dare the forefathers not anticipate telephones, computers, interenet...etc assisting in democratic elections.

Andrey

And we Canadians, have a better system?! Hello, wake up! We have a fucking monarchy.

Right now there is no Ron Paul equivalent any where in the world. The establishment is playing dirty, so RP has to use fucked up rules to his advantage too. I bet if the vote count was actually legit, RP would be 1st or 2nd in all states.

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lukep

CNN says that Romney got one more delegate than RP in Maine today, a very close straw poll race tho.

Anyone know if that number is going to turn drastically or what it's going to be soon?

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music4mic

wow, he almost pulled it off in Maine. Pretty interesting to say the least.

EDIT: WOW, apparently they cancelled a whole fucking county and he would have won the state had they counted the votes. Link to come.

EDIT 2: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/5...urday.html.csp

Netphase

Maine is another non-binding caucus state. The delegate election process will not be over until the state convention in May. That is just another estimation dividing the number of state delegates that will be elected by the straw poll results.

lukep

So is CNN just lying or is there an official Delegate count out there that doesn't reflect the real delegate count?

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Netphase

They are using misleading estimations.

There is a small disclosure at the bottom of your other CNN link.

leadsupplier

yea all this delegate talk is confusing me b/c every i've seen RP is always dead last when it comes to delegates

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Andrey

Does it say "CNN Estimates" on the bottom??

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lukep

^Yeah, I believe it does. CNN is simply taking the percentage of the straw poll vote that Paul one and awarding him the same ratio of delegates in their estimates. Very misleading.

I see now why Paul and his Campaign manager have been very vocal about how well the delegate pickup is going... It's the way we can gain momentum by telling the world that "hey, we're actually winning!"

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BeerNuts

WSj also says Rommney has 123 to Pauls 19..

2012 Election Delegate Tracker - Presidential Race

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Netphase

In caucus states there is a presidential straw vote at the beginning of caucus night and this gets all the news coverage.

The news stations take those results right away and divide the states number of delegates up the same way, but that is not how the process actually works.

After that straw vote delegates are nominated and voted on in every little voting precinct, the number of precinct delegates in a state can total in the thousands.

All of those precinct delegates will later go to a larger area county or BPOU convention and again nominate/vote between themselves on a smaller number of delegates to send to the state convention on another date.

The delegates from that larger county/BPOU convention will go to the state convention and again nominate/vote between themselves for the delegate spots that will be sent to the national convention.

jryan21

I see the news people have been practicing their 'shocked face', will come in handy in the coming months when people start asking them how their delegate scoreboard got all fucked up.