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George Zimmerman Arrested for 2nd Degree Murder | Reuters

In da butt!

ILOVENICKICAKES

A child killer finally gets what he deserves. My faith in humanity is getting restored.

erifdekciw

I hope nickycakes is ready for this thread.

ThisWebThing

From what i know about this case, does'nt look like hes going to jail for 2nd degree anything.

What needs to be done is the pros. needs to put out why they are going for 2nd.... maybe i will change my mind... but we need to see a lot more facts here.. both sides...

Riots and race war in FL may be on the way.... sadly.....

p.s. thanks for link.

Tall_Building

There is no way hes going to get a fair trial now......he is fucked

wayn3

whats the difference between x and y degree murder?

ILOVENICKICAKES

Murder (United States law) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

nickycakes

born ready

geomark

When Obama came out with a comment about the case that's when it became definitive that a fair trial would be impossible. I'm sure his defense attorney will use that to good effect.

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nickycakes

why would that make a fair trial impossible?

Unarmed Gunman

Too many people have made their mind up on the case one way or another due to the publicity. The media has manipulated the facts of the case several times in order to trigger emotional responses in people.

The government is also fully aware that if the Lynch mob doesn't get what they want, there will be riots.

I don't know if he's guilty of 2nd degree murder or not, but I do know he wont get a fair trial.

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ILOVENICKICAKES

He's obviously guilty of 2nd degree, just follow the case. It wasn't premeditated but it definitely wasn't in pure self-defense.

bcc423

Good thing I moved out of Sanford some time ago.
Sadly, the place is turning into shit very rapidly.

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geomark

Seems like it would have significant implications, which is another reason that the idiot shouldn't be making public statements on matters like this.

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nickycakes

Another reason? You never gave the first reason, let alone a second one.

ILOVENICKICAKES

cakes going ham in this thread

hmm business idea: bacon twinkies

geomark

First reason is implied, i.e. the POTUS has no business commenting on individual matters. He should stick to policy and running the country. The second is that besides having no business in general, in specific cases like this one his comments can drastically impact the course things will take and again he has no business doing that.

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Unarmed Gunman

Exactly. And don't forget that this goes both ways. It could prevent justice for Trayvon if Zimmerman were guilty. If one or more of the jurors happens to hate everything about Obama they could be swayed the other way just because Fuck Obama.

This is why local issues should be kept local.

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ILOVENICKICAKES

If i had the cash I'd donate $50,000 to zimmerman's legal fund and make it look like it came from romney lol. huffington post would go batshit cray cray over that hahah

potentialeight

I'd like to share a 100% true story that happened to me when I was about 13.

My dad and I had driven down to somewhere in South Carolina for a baseball tournament. As we pulled up to this intersection in a small town, there were a couple of cop cars pulled up on this one corner and traffic was backed up because of it. There was a black kid probably 9 or 10 years old walking on the sidewalk beside of us away from the intersection. My dad yelled and asked him what had happened up ahead, and the kid replied, "Nigga got shot!"

An old man had shot a guy who was trying to rob his store that was on the corner. Thought the story seemed relevant.

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tonymontana

lol he is fucked. No chance at a fair trial. They can move the trial to a fuckin small town in Alabama or some shit, and he still won't get a fair trial.

Plus, based on what I've read so far, convicting him of 2nd degree murder is going to be difficult. Seems like prosecution would have been better off charging him with manslaughter.

If I was Zimmerman, right now I would be wishing that they had just arrested me the night of the shooting. Chances are, the case would have got little to no media attention, and he would likely had a fair trial. But at this point? Not a chance.

schockergd

2nd degree murder requires malicious intent under Florida law.

At BEST this is manslaughter.

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schockergd

This case was cherrypicked by the media. There were approximately 15 shootings in the month prior to this incident that had similar cases.

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Netphase

Case closed. George Zimmerman has been found "obviously guilty" of 2nd degree murder by the jury of ILOVENICKICAKES.

tonymontana

Hahahahaha

Hav3n

Meet your jury pool.....


Yeah... fair trial....

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allcelldeals

It looks like 2nd degree murder was the correct way to file charges.

via Find Law:

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rish3

One quote on the subject:

"It is undeniably a violation of due process to subject a defendant to trial in an atmosphere of mob or threatened mob domination".

Related case law:

Frank v. Mangum, 237 U.S. 309 (1915); Irvin v. Dowd, 366 U.S. 717 (1961); Sheppard v. Maxwell, 384 U.S. 333 (1966).

Not a lawyer, but I assume the defandant could claim that these statements from a sitting U.S. president helped create such an atmosphere:

“You know, if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon..”

“All of us have to do some soul-searching to figure out how does something like this happen”

Personally, I have no idea what really happened, and so, have no opinion on the guilt or innocence of Zimmerman.

Lexicon

Police: "Don't Follow him."
Zimmerman: "Imma follow him with my gun."

Dude should have just stayed the fuck home. If he winds up in prison for any stretch he's fucked.

nickycakes

He said it was a shame what happened to the kid. Not sure how that comment implies guilt for anyone.

rish3

Here's what he said:

“You know, if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon..”

“All of us have to do some soul-searching to figure out how does something like this happen”

Less than an accusation, but more than "it's a shame".

Celtik

Best sentence of this thread so far. I really have no opinion on the guilt or innocence of Zimmerman either, but I do know that it was racially motivated like the media tried to portray it to be at the beginning. They have finally slowed that down because more facts have come out. It seems pretty obvious the government is trying to act in ways to please society though.

Netphase

Police Officers don't answer the phone when you call 911.

johnysc430

First he media shows us pics of some 12 year old kid, people who have no brains think the kid was a 12 year old kid that was shot because he was black.


Zimmerman outweighed him by 100lbs

He looks much larger and probably weighed more than Zimmerman

Zimmerman has no injuries in a police video, clearly he just shot him with no struggle.

the next day his injuries are evident in higher resolution.

ABC edit's Zimmerman's 911 call to make it sound like he was targeting Trayvon because he was black.

Producer is fired,

Because of the media manipulation there have been several Black on white attacks across the country.

I'm not sure what happened that night but a lot of things don't make sense.

On the 911 call Zimmerman says Trayvon is running, he lived less than a city block away, Zimmerman wasn't running after him and you can clearly tell this from the 911 call, because he spoke to the operator for a minute after. He wasn't out of breath and was speaking slowly. Why didn't Trayvon just run home? Why was there a altercation 3-4 minutes after?

Given Trayvon's problems in school, getting caught with Jewelry and such. I don't find it impossible that he was casing homes that night. I don't find it impossible that he could have attacked Zimmerman.

If Zimmerman wasn't arrested the first time, there is a strong chance that there is no case against him.

The problem is now, the media circus has created a environment that witnesses may be scared to come forward.

This guy has a very winnable case, but he will have a very hard time getting a fair trial.

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Falian

This is the right move, because the State now shifts the responsibility to 12 poor souls who will judge Zimmerman's fate.

If they find him not guilty, then there's not going to be riot's on the streets... just probably a lynch mob going after the jury.

Personally, I think if you're gonna try to convict Zimmerman of anything it should be manslaughter. But then again, i'm not trying to quell riots and appease the public.

Rusky

Clearly this case was media made. Zimmerman was an idiot for engaging with this kid. IMO his going to get loved tenderly in prison.

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tshipp

End result: Guilty plea to involuntary manslaughter. 2-5 years jail time. Zimmerman still wins cause this was murder.

JarredLv

Anyone care to guess the total cost of damages from the riots when he's found not guilty?

I'm thinking something around Katrina levels.

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JZK721

You really think he will survive jail after killing a kid?

Its every where (tv/internet/people talking about) , no matter what prison he goes to, he will be a victim!

He will be like..."ayy ayy ayy, mi culo".

Unarmed Gunman

Protective custody. Same with child molesters, everybody thinks they get turned into bitches when they go to prison, but the truth is the only people getting fucked in prison are the people that want to get fucked when they go to prison.

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Fastb

Funny how if a 12 year old commits a crime in Florida he hets tried as an "adult", but when a 17 year old is the victim of a crime in Florida he is designated as a "child".

Still No Plea Deal for 12-Year-Old Murder Suspect Cristian Fernandez in Florida | Fox News

I think you got suckered in by the media hype. A 17 year old is NOT a child and calling this a "child killing" is horribly wrong to those families that actually have had a real child killed.

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cocoa

Zimmerman will get that Jefferey Dahmer treatment in prison. Its a wrap if he is convicted.

clear

lol start watching Lockup...

Either way this will end it wont be pretty.

JakeStratham

Trust UG on this one.


And for perspective, in terms of mowing down "kids," Zimmerman has nothing on these guys:

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craigmc

I did not know you were present at the scene of the attack. Also a Presidents words are taken with great regard by some in our society.

nickycakes

did you even listen to what obama said? basically he said he feels bad for the parents and hopes the cops investigate it.

craigmc

Did you actually read his ENTIRE statement on this case? What you quoted was but a small piece of what our President said.

Surely your not that dense that you can't understand the ramifications of his remarks.

JakeStratham

To quell the disagreement, here:

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craigmc

I'm not a politician, and I never finished law school because of the draft. That being what it is I do know that our President did not pick the best words for his remark. Actually he should have kept his mouth shut on this.

However the best thing he could have said might sound something like this:

"It is sad that a young man has lost his life in Southern Florida. I have complete trust that the local law enforcement community will handle this in a professional manner."

papajohn56

MERICA

There is no way this guy will get a fair trial now.

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