John

I am by no means anywheres close to mooks income bracket but I do pretty damn good for myself so I do know a small bit about webmastering, keep in mind I am definitely no expert when it comes to this business and there are tons of people on this board that are smarter and doing far better then me.

That being said here is the secret to making tons of cash online (or what has worked for me any).

Hard work. Most people on here claim to be working hard on their sites and whatnot but I guarantee 75% of the people in this business are slackers and their income shows it. If you want to make the big bucks you have to put in 17 hour days 7 days a week, it is truly a big commitment and alot of people don't realise that.

Most people think there is a secret club where the mooks, shoemoneys, oilmans, and davens hang out and discuss their secret money making tactics that make them rich. They keep hoping to get that one money making secret that will blow up their adsense stats, well heres a little tip, IT AIN'T GOING TO FUCKIN HAPPEN.

Work hard, don't sleep, don't go outside, say goodbye to your friends, don't leave your fucking computer until your rich.

SuperAffiliate

That is very true. Dedication is a main ingredient to success. However, having a normal life to some degree is also a factor in being successful online. You need sometime outside the computer to clear your head. I know sometimes that I am sitting on the computer and my head is so full of different ideas and strategies that I have to get up and just go do something else.

There is also a small bit of luck involved....right place at right time.

rembrandt

Well said John... that reminds me... I better stop reading forum posts and start working on those money making sites.

DruSam

Believe it or not John, that was really motivating!

Indy

x2

Sometimes it does take that eKick up the arse, to motivate people - namely, me.

sknydave

One of the biggest problems I've seen in this business is conformity. When you set a goal for yourself (which seems hard at the time) and you reach it, many people just say ahhhhh yes! This is where they begin to slack off and just let things run their course. Happened to me once already. Never again!!

Uzzz

Please clarify....are you working those hours to become filthy rich....or just to make a living off websites ...

John

I'm working those hours to become filthy rich, but if you plan on making a living from your sites you are going to have to put in those hours in the beginning.

Uzzz

gotchass...time to invest in some hermit gear!

[R]DeVore

yea, lately this has been a big problem for me. lack of working as much as I know I need to. I do however have 7-10 days of 12 hour days of work to do, so I will be swamped, but the money outcome of it will be nice, so its ok i guess.

I just need to get back into the swing of working 10-15 hours a day again.

- Robert DeVore

Mill

hahah totally agree I hit one goal, then raised my daily goal and hit it, then when i hit that second goal, i just slacked up building and maintaining sites by about ohhh 80%.

Shit sucks when thety start fading. Never again here also. 15 hours+ a day til i get back on track. Then will drop to about 10-12 solid hours a day.

Mike

If your goal is to just make a living, then you're selling yourself short. People notoriously slow down when they get near their goals and never actually reach then. So, set the bar higher. If you want to make a living, decide how much it would take to survive on, and then double it. That way, if you start to slow down, you've already surpassed your survival point.

For example, for myself and my family, it would take about $5000 Gross per month to survive. So, my personal goal per month is $20,000 (yeah, that's more than double). Once, I get nearer to that goal, say around $10k, I'll re-evaluate and set a new one.

I don't ever want to reach my goals. If you do, you'll become complacent.

~Mike~

__________________

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE

Mike

Oops, I guess I just restated some other's comments. Sorry. That's what I get for jumping the gun.

__________________

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE

Michel Z.

It's not ONLY hard work, it's more about the knowledge how to reach those financial goals!!

You can work 24/7, but if you don't know how to bring in the cash...

Personally, I have a feeling that I get closer and closer every day to reach some how those big amounts: which is hard work, but far most experience & thinking in the right direction! Don't forget also that guys like Mook-Jon already joined the internet arena a long time ago. They saw everthing from the very very beginning...that's for sure a huge advantage! But even when you started doing internet marketing from the very beginning there is no guarantee. Not everyone can make those figures I think! It's also about believe in yourself that you can do it, being smart, etc. Some people even after 10 years still not making a dime. Being "money-oriented" helps in my case, I also see very talented webmasters but don't have the clue how to make (big) bucks online!

Though I think that when you have the right tools, $10.000 per month will not cost a great deal of your time which is still a lot of money for most forum members. But making ShoeMoney, Mook-Jon figures for example that's really insain, so much respect... But as ShoeMoney said there are people out there who make even more!!!

John

I include learning about the business in that working timeframe.


BULLSHIT. An advantage, yes, a huge advantage, not really. There are thousands of webmasters that started in the last two years that are making a serious income.


The only people that can't make the huge figures are lazy people. If you really apply yourself, work hard and don't fuck off after 6 months then you will eventually hit some good cash.


Not really true, for most people the first $10,000 takes a long time to get.

Michel Z.

Just learning about the business is not enough, you need more...
So how much are all those webmasters making who started 2 years ago? $100,000+ per month?
What is some good cash? Lazy or not, in order to make HUGE figures it's not only hard working and being experienced. You also need the talent of doing so...
I mentioned if you have the 'right tools' making $10,000 will not cost you a lot of your time!

John

I don't know if that was sarcasm or what, but if you don't believe me thats fine, I know from experiance that what I said was true and I'm positive anyone making good money here would back me up.

Michel Z.

I wasn't trying to be sarcastic, it's just how I look at things...
Personnaly, I think that if you want to make BIG BUCKS you need to work hard, but more important knowing the ways to reach your financial goals and having the right tools in hand. Regarding my opinion not every hard working, experienced webmaster will be able to make figures like $100,000+ It's also about having the 'talent' to know how... To a certain level you can learn this. Again, that's how I see things!

JDA

Sure, it might be an advantage, but I've gone from pretty much 0 to making more than enough to survive on in less than a year. Theres still plenty of opportunity out there.

__________________

Regal

knowledge + hardwork = big profits.

Time is a variable, but it's based on so many things. How quickly you are to learn. What you start out with. Do you have startup cash? or do you have to work out small first?

But it really comes down to that simple of a formula.

John

I don't think I was clear enough, you still sound like you think theres a big secret to making huge money, theres not. Make a site, do some seo, repeat. BAM, do that enough times and you will make some serious fucking cash. I make around $15k a month from that formula, no secrets, no black hat, no affiliate marketing, just adsense sites.

Mike

This, I disagree with. "the 'talent' to know how"? That's a ridiculous statement. What you are essentially saying is: people just "know" how to make money. That's crap. Some people are just more willing to put their efforts towards making money. Jon, Shoemoney, John, etc. these guys are "talented" not because of any inate 6th sense that told them to dig under this internet rock or that internet rock. They are "talented" because they bust their asses.

Not trying to start a flame war here, but please reread your posts before hitting the submit button.

__________________

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE

mrvolleyball

As someone (famous) once said "The harder I work the luckier I seem to get"

vizilla

What can you do for 12+ hours a day though? I've posted about this before. I'm barely working half an hour, but that's because I outsource my work (design, programming, etc.)

John

If it's working for you do it on a larger scale. Imagine how much you make now with half an hour a day. Multiply that by 24 and you have a full days work plus your income is going to skyrocket.

rembrandt

I like the fact that affiliate marketing is based on leverage which is how you can make so much money if you put in the effort.

One question though John, on average, how many pages are your adsense sites? Are they just a one page site with a blurb about a specific topic or are they more complex sites with multiple pages etc.

V12Kid

John

I agree with you 1st post, HARD WORK!! I work hard but am a nuber. So I have to work extra hard and have learned the key words "outsource" it still takes alot of work and sleepless night and I always seem to be spinning my wheels. The whole takes money to make money is killing me becuase I dont have the skills to do things on my own so I run in circles trying to find the solution

got some time to have a look at a few of my sites?

matt

__________________
http://hideinmy.com

ChrisS

I'm liking this thread John. Very motivating.

__________________
“I can’t understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I’m frightened of the old ones.” – John Cage

Michel Z.

If I am correct, what you are saying is that everything can be reached in live:
I can become a 2nd Bill Gates as long as I work hard enough, gathering enough experience, etc.? Or starting up a new website which will become as succesful as Google? If only busting my ass does the trick...
Why you think that certain people in live are more succesful then others (businesses, sport)? For example - both persons work their ass off, have same amount of experience, are they equal succesful? NO

I over doing things a little bit to come back to internet marketing: I do think that almost anyone here on te forum is able to make $25,000 per month, but to make figures like $100,000 - $500,000 you need more then just busting your ass...

John

Why can't you be the next bill gates? why can't you be better then bill gates? Theres absolutley no reason why you can't. Thats exactly the thing that sets bill gates apart from your regular joe schmoe. Joe is thinking of reasons not to take his idea to the next level where as bill thinks of reasons to take his idea to the next level. The only thing that evers holds you back from doing anything is yourself.

John

Yeah I can take a look at some of your sites if you want, just shoot me a pm.

Michel Z.

I love your attitude!
One of the reasons why people are succesful is being optimistic. Maybe I am too realistic & should believe more... For sure, this is key too succes as well! If you don't believe, you see not results expected for example, you will give up (and move to a new opportunity which does the same). One of the things I have difficulties with is believe in one idea and keep on plugging in. Sometimes I maybe give up too easy when I don't see results & move on to a new project! If I am not wrong, this is probably a problem many webmasters have... Characters of people also influence I think how succesful the person will be: one is negative, the other is positive/optimistic, one is stressful & the other is happy/relaxed, etc. etc.

Jon

That's one hell of a great quote!

__________________

kyleirwin

Kind of the same thing as a quote that charlie posted in another thread.

znine

Considering the large amount of younger folks on this board, I really disagree with advising people to work 17 hour days 7 days a week. I'm not going to dwell on the obvious dangers of your health when getting less than 7 hrs of sleep and no exercise and of course social and other dangers (such as getting an ugly wife ). You're only young once and you're not going to be able to buy it back. Even if you make the big bucks down the line and you're sitting in you Ferrari, do you really want to look back on your youth and have nothing to show for it? It's hard to have good memories when you never left your house.

I'm not saying not to work hard, I'm saying that (especially if you're in your teens or twenties) you need to get out experience life not just work.

katoved

Thats a great point! I want to live! But I can't stop coming back to WickedFire! Jon you have ruined my life!!!!!!!!

Indy

You should write a book!

Uzzz

Ya i find myself torn between enjoying life and working hard to 'better enjoy life later on'.

It's Also hard to work those kind of hours when you already have a full time job/gf/social commitments.

But again, i try to work at it whenever i have time. It's all about balance baby.

How do you guys balance life? If at all...Carry on.

joe

WTF. What kind of rich man has an ugly wife? Give me an example of a guy that has a Ferrari and an ugly wife.

__________________
"Make no small plans."

Ben

http://static.flickr.com/36/12217551...30fd32.jpg?v=0

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!

I agree with John. It sounds corny as hell, but if you work hard enough anything is possible. A college dropout is the richest man in the world.

joe

goddamn.

Those pics must be setup.

I'm sure the man could have done better, maybe she drugged him or something.

I agree with the OP, hard work is the only fucking thing that is necessary to start and make some decent money. After that, you need to be able to learn, continue to work hard, and plan a bit. It does require some brains.

__________________
"Make no small plans."

Ben

I wouldn't be too sure of that either! http://www.aquilaarts.com/bushmonkey.jpg

haha

But generally, I agree

Indy

Richard Branson didn't even go to college. No matter being a dropout.

Ben

Yeah, but he is gay

znine

I was under the assumption that you would find a wife when you were youngerish, not quite rich yet and fat/ugly from sitting on your ass 17 hours a day.

znine

I was under the assumption that you would find a wife when you were youngerish, not quite rich yet and fat/ugly from sitting on your ass 17 hours a day. And only a gold digger would marry and ugly rich guy unless she's ugly too.

Jon

Hahahhahaha Ben got you there Joe.. That is one ugly woman sitting in a most beautiful car.

__________________

Andrew

The reason why the chick is ugly is because its a F355, you can pick one of those up for as little at $70k

On a serious note, I don't know what this huge debate is about. There are two types of people: those that spend their time trying to figure out why something can't happen and those that spend their time making it happen.

Regal

you all should really get to work

Mike

Exactly. Thanks for putting it so succinctly John. :xyxthumbs:

__________________

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE