Rage9

Just quite smoking (again), I know there are some here that would ask for advice. I will lay out my plan for you. It seems counter productive, but I have quite multiple times in the past. I have taken up smoking in retarded or stupid situation each time. Basically for no real reason what soever (I blame it more on being young and stupid).

1. It helps if you have a reason to quit smoking (like a GF or family), it'll help you through the hard times. For me, myself is enough. I think it's discussing, and a waste of money.
2. Stop smoking, in fact I would over smoke some days just so you can get the edge of not smoking on the next day. This will be difficult, and can be counter productive. Yet any time you can create a scenario that you won't smoke that is a good first step.
3. Start not smoking one day at a time. You will probably be able to hold out for a day, but it's really a war of attrition. Give in for a cigarette for two in a day or two days. You can comfortably be down to 1 or 2 cigarettes a day in short order. This will really depend on how much you smoke. This last time I quite I was at 1/2 a pack a day, and it took me about 1-2 weeks to ween myself down to 1 or 2 cigarettes each day. This was with a few "battle days" in between. The "battle days" are basically hell days when you come off cigarettes, basically you don't smoke any - period, your body really doesn't like it. As you will realize at this point that even having 1 or 2 cigarettes a day will not release you of your feelings, but they will be less than you imagine. Gotta be strong. If going through a bit of hell won't keep you off cigarettes, well, then not much you can do.
4. Once you get down to 1 or 2 cigarettes a day it's time to make the final cut. It feels weird, seems not right. You have to stick with it!!! Basically the next few weeks you are just going to feel like you need a cigarette but at a pretty minor level. There is no secret to this, you just have to power through it, but the feelings should be fairly minor at this pint. Some people will get a high from beating this, I wish everyone did. It's the main time that you start reprogramming. You need to change your routines. Be strong and don't give up. Slowly work Alcohol back in and you'll be fine.

Thoughts by others? Or questions by the rest?

For example my typical cup of coffee was a dark french roast, but to alleviate the withdrawal you may want to use a light roast. Change it up for a few weeks, and once you're in you should be good to go. If ever offered a cigarette just tell them to fuck off.

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ChickenFucker

Just stop being a bitch lol. Quitting is easy as pie.

guerilla

Your next thread should be about how to START smoking again, since you also seem to have that mastered.

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Midas Touch

Stop/Pause/Start....same diff.

lol

I really can't be throwing stones though since I've been using/abusing Smokeless tobacco on/off/start/stop/pause/start for over 33 years now and YES....I still have all my teeth and gums!!

Correction, they took out my Wisdom teeth about 5 years ago and my bank account knows it!!

Lulz

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nickycakes

Quitting is easy for some and very hard for others. My mom could start and stop smoking at will, and it took my father (and myself) about 5 years to quit.

If you're one of the people who has a tough time, here's what helped me:

I used the patch, and didn't try to 'cut down' leading up to it which really was just un-necessary torture in the past. Cutting down days were just as rough as the days after I quit by using the patch, so you might as well just jump on it.

Set a date, get a bunch of shit to munch on like candy, pretzels (i got those honey wheat twist pretzels, like 3 bags of them which i loved), and just sit in your room for a few days if you can and sweat it out.

The patch does not remove the craving, it just takes the edge off so you can sleep and don't want to throw your monitor through the wall.

The first 3 or so days suck royal dick, but after that it will get progressively better and better every day. You will get periodic strong cravings to smoke, but they ALWAYS pass so just chew some gum and wait it out.

Take things one day at a time and just remind yourself that you just need to make it through today and you'll be ok.

Sounds like you're definitely ready to quit which is key, so good luck to you man. Quitting smoking was one of the best things I ever did, and I'm a better person for it. You might not know it, but currently ALL your shit smells like smoke to non-smokers, and it's a big turn-off. Girls, even smokers, don't like dudes who smoke cause it tastes/smells like ass no matter what. Quitting will help your sleep, work, energy, appetite, taste of the food you eat, and if you're the type who likes to go to the gym, you won't be wasting your time anymore.

good luck bro.

onkelmicha

Been there done that been of for 3 years, fell back on the wagon for 5 days a while back but quit as soon as my slimy cough came back. I say smoke until you feel like bag of rotten potatoes and you will quite easily...

EDIT: The key is to e honest to yourself about feeling like shit, because if you dont when it happens so will your addicted brain fuck you over ASAP that you have the cough or feel sick for some other reason....

IM talking about that nasty fucker that get you as soon as you wake up and have to go to the bathroom and cough up the good damn rainbow

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Midas Touch

Ok, I'm not quite as drunk as I was a little while ago.


Keep in mind that when you quite smoking or chewing that you WILL cough more at first.


This is because the Silia in your throat will start to work again to move all that SLIME outta there. (Nicotine seems to paralyze those throat sweepers.) So, just deal with it for about a week or so. It will get better.


Nicotine also works as a Histomine which causes your sinuses to produce more THICK crap that doesn't need to be there.




If you also use Caffeine be sure to keep using it until you get past the tobacco addiction. Then tackle that as well.


I found that quitting the Mt.Dew was actaully harder than the Snuff.


I've been off both for up to a year. Then like an IDIOT something really GOOD would happen in my life and I would think, "Hey, if I get just one can and take ONLY one chew and throw the can away I'll be OK."



WRONG!!! About 4 hours after that ONE CHEW the withdrawls started all over again as if that YEAR without it had not even taken place.



They say it takes about 6 months for your bone marrow to replace every cell in your body which WILL wipe out the PHYSICAL addiction/cellular memory of the nicotine but the MENTAL BOND will still be there.



Fuck Pavlov and his DAMN DOGS!!!

LOL



The times that "I" have quit for any length of time I used a Peterson Pipe with tobacco in it that I would moisten with som JD or other Liquor.

I never lit the pipe, just let it dangle from my mouth and it gave both my hand and mouth something to do while going through the withdrawls. (I HATE gum and Sunflower seeds poke holes in my cheeks.)



Usually when I decide to quit I use the non-lit pipe for about two weeks and then I'm OK after that.



I would also suggest that you get yourself into a routine of BRUSHING your teeth like 5 or 6 time a day as well. It seems to help for some weird reason.



If you start working out regularly while quitting it will help with the weight gain thing and give you REAL energy instead of that false energy from the nicotine.



You might also want to use some of the products you've slung in the past as in start Whitening your teeth while you're quitting. Knowing that a smoke or chew will set that back can help as well.



For me, it was WEAKNESS and being CONTROLLED by some damn leaf!! If I didn't have it I would bite everyone's head off until I could get some.

To be tobacco free meant that "I" was in control and not some weak minded being that needed a LEAF to function.



I've got 3 boxes of the patches setting up on my computer desk now. (Phase 1 through 3.) I quit last year for about 6 months cold turkey. Both caffeine and nicotine. Then I got BUSY and succumbed to the path of least resistence to stay awake for 30 hours at a stretch by going BACK to the Mt. Dew and Chew.


My BAD!!



For over 30 years I've won some battles and lost some battles with both nicotine and cafeine but the war is not over yet.




To anyone looking to quit, all I can say is that it won't be easy, but it is VERY possible to do.

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Kiopa_Matt

Personally, I'd just go cold turkey. No point in prolonging the agony of your body physically craving nicotine. It only takes 5 or 6 days for the vast majority of the physical cravings to dissipate anyway. During that initial period, just take lots of walks (if you have a dog, even better), take 8 showers a day, or whatever. It's pretty tough to light up when you're in the shower.

After the initial period, then it's just purely mental, and a matter of breaking the habit.

profitordie

I was smoking for 6 years and I stopped 2 years ago. I woke up one day and said I am not smoking anymore. And I stopped. For no particular reason really... Just wanted to prove myself that I can stop because I can...

After that, two weeks of hell... I thought that I will never drink coffee again, lol... And I was nervous like shit... Yelling at my girlfriend for stupid reasons and things like that...

Then second week passed and it was like I never smoked in my life... Best thing I ever did...!

Just like I stopped drinking coffee few months ago... Just to see if I can, and how it will affect me...

Don't over think it guys, just STOP!

Good luck bros!

-God-

There's only one known easy way to quit, but it involves becoming a die hard football [soccer] fan and watching many, many games.

In all seriousness, Alan Carr's book was what helped me quit. I read that book and haven't had a fag in about 2 years. (Well, I've had a few drags when pissed, but hated it.)

lukasgawelek

I was smoking for 3 years good couple of years ago. It was always hard to give up. If you're going to reduce to 1 or 2 a day it won't help, just do it straight ahead. I tried patches but they didn't work. What worked was mints and I finally made it. Cigarettes are fucking disgusting.

unique_seo

Just stop it!

.Hack

Ecigs and gum did the trick for me

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I tried to quit 20 times over 6-7 years using every trick available- patches, e-cigs, gum, lozenges and even tried Zyban. I failed every time until I read The Easy Way to Stop Smoking

Turns out my failure was because of mental addiction which is something I hadn't really considered before.

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skohh

Self-hypnosis did the trick for me.

I just woke up one day and was like what cigarettes?

If it were only that easy? Right?

Quitting smoking is really complicated on so many levels. I think everyone's experience is different, that's obvious... But above all, if you have willpower you can accomplish a lot more in life.

Good luck bros!

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zoomer94

I really don't want to quit smoking. I was going to but I don't like being forced to. I'll probably quit when they start tasting like real cigarettes again. (sinus problems)

Thanks for the tips though--I'll keep them in mind.

Zaino

I really liked smoking and ive quit 3 times for multiples years at a time. Im almost at 2 years now. I just quit and kept busy. If you sit home all day you will never quit.

nickster

If you find it hard to "just quit" then get an ecig and start with a high level of nicotine, then taper down over a few months to the no-nicotine version and smoke that for as long as you like. It's not hard if you REALLY want to stop.

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crackp0t

When my wife was pregnant I quit smoking cold turkey. Yes, I started back up later like a toolbag. I found that when I'm sober I have the will power to say no, but when I had a drink bam all that was gone and I was smoking again.

If you quit cold turkey the first couple of weeks will be a bitch, but after that you'll be okay.

Hard candy will be your friend. I went through enough to keep the manufactures of jolly ranchers in business for a life time.

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crackp0t

good advice +rep


When I stopped smoking I did notice food tasted better. I could even taste various things in it I couldn't before. That didn't happen right out of the gate for me it was several months after I quit.

The smell! Oh god the smell. You'll walk by people outside smoking and it'll smell like shit. You won't even really have to walk close to them to want to gag. Smokers say oh you can't smell it outside, bullshit stop smoking for 4 months and tell me that.

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kingofsp

I still smoke usually when I drink because it is fun. But I never smoke during the day or when sober. It got to a point where I would want a cigarette, then I would smoke one, and then I would just feel shitty. Eventually I got tried of feeling shitty.

Of course, alcohol negates that shittiness.

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guerilla

Alcohol is just shittier than cigarettes.

Quit just over 4 years ago. Smoked 50 cigarettes, 7 days a week, for about 8 years with one 3 month break.

I quit when I had a bad health scare, and got really ill. 3 days later, I threw my cigarettes in the garbage, and never looked back (had one cigarette a couple months later, hated it).

I can breathe better now than ever before and food tastes good.

Health is still in slow recovery, but if I kept smoking, I might have died by now. I like living too much to die young.

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efeezy

I've said it in a previous "stop smoking" thread, but I quit dipping back on Oct 26th of last year. Today is 183 days nicotine free (yeah I count that shit cause it keeps me focused). I haven't had a pinch since then. Like everyone said, the first week is the biggest obstacle. Each day is progressively easier, but you'll be an addict for life and if you don't accept that and understand that you can't just bum one cig here and there without getting fully back into it again, then you'll never be free from the nic bitch.

The day you quit, make yourself accountable. Tell your friends and family and kids and whoever you can that you've quit for good. That way you'll be less likely to let them down as well as yourself. Get on a quit smoking forum and participate. I'm on KilltheCan.org and it's the main reason I'm still quit today. Everyday promise yourself that you will be quit for today, and today only. It's the only day that matters. If you can manage that, and do it again the next day, you'll be on the road to never smoking again.

You will have bad days, even after 6 months or a year or 10 years. That shit leaves your body, but not your mind. You'll get better at dealing with nicotine craves as the weeks and months wear on.

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JCash

I agree with .hack, except I'd add cigars to the ecigs and gum. Cigars with at least a 34 ring still give you the cool factor of smoking and allow you to flaunt your success and virility.

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efeezy

Or just say fuck it and get some churchill's and act like my idol.

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Midas Touch

I had to laugh at myself when reading that.

Each time I've quite for more than a month, there have been times that I would DREAM that I broke down and took a chew!!!

I'd wake up in a half PANIC that I had WASTED all that time being nicotine free, and then after a few moments I'd realize that it was JUST A DREAM!!!

Freaky shit for a guy who's into NLP other Jedi Mind Tricks!!

Lulz


Those dreams would take DAYS for me to get over. I'd have to redouble my guard and vigilance for awhile after one.

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efeezy

Yeah, I still have dip dreams from time to time. Those do suck. The daily cravings aren't as bad, but I always keep a can of the fake stuff Smokey Mountain around just in case. Honestly, I miss the chew. I miss chewing in the car and having a chew after a beer or meal. But I don't miss worrying about oral cancer, my kids not having a dad, and spending the money on a stupid leaf that runs my life.

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Hmmm....a MALE with a Phalic symbol that he sucks on.........could be early signs of a Gay Webmaster or closet Peter Puffer Syndrome!!

lol

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JCash

Yeah that's pretty funny.



That's about a 34 ring. If you think that's phallic you, sir, are a paedophile.

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Or he's into Asians.

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Midas Touch

I use to JOKE that I'd just have skin grafted from my ass to my mouth if my lip ever rotted out.

It's no longer a JOKE at my age.


I tried the fake Jerky Chew a while back. Just wasn't the same. Something about NOT spitting. (Awesomely attractive huh? Especially since I was in Outside Sales for like 20 of these 30 some odd years of chewing.)


The last time I quit, I broke open a Nestle Black Tea Bag and put that in my lip one day when I was REALLY Jonesing!!


What a MISTAKE that was!!! ROFLMAO


That tea immediately dried my mouth out completely!! Then I got such a damn headache from the caffeine rush that it lasted about 3 minutes in my mouth and then I couldn't spit out quick enough.


But, I had NO DESIRE for a chew after that either.



Lulz


The "Interesting" thing I've discovered with myself is that over the years of stopping and then starting again, the actual initial withdrawal symptoms have gone down from taking almost two weeks to subside to about 3 days now.

I also sleep for about an extra two hours a day during that time but then I"m back to my 4 hours routine and I'm just fine.


So, I really have NO EXCUSE anymore. I'm glad that RAGE9 started this thread. And I thank you the link efeezy.


As I said above, I have the patches sitting here, but to me it's still putting that poison in me which feels like it's defeating my purpose for quitting in the first place.


I did a little more studying on the effects of Nicotine and Caffeine on the brain and it would SEEM that both chemicals actually PHYSICALLY alter the way our brain's neurons fire. Not just the pleasure centers of Dopamine Receptors either. But how other neurotransmitters function.

Society for Neuroscience - Nicotine Addiction


So, it would SEEM that quitting cold turkey for MOST people would be akin to just stopping an Anti-psychotic drug like Clozapine. The brain actually seems to need time to get use to functioning with less and less nicotine or caffeine so that it's not such a SHOCK to your brain's chemistry. It can then start functioning on it's own gradually as less and less nicotine is available until there is none. This does take time though.


Since reading up on this at medical sites for those in the profession, not the Patch research sites, I decided to give the patches a try. But after reading the boxes and other info on them, I decided to just cut down gradually with the chew first and then quit.



If I start to have a problem I'll just pop open the box with the least amount of nicotine to get me through it I guess instead of starting out with the highest amount since I'm now down to about 1 can every 4 days of the candy crap long cut.



2 years ago I was going through almost 2 cans a DAY of Copenhagen Snuff and had been since I was like 15 years old.

I use to keep a chew in for like 20 to 30 minutes and then spit it out when it seemed to be WEAK. Now I keep this weak chew in for two hours at a time. So on top of being weak to begin with it keeps getting weaker while in instead of having like 4 strong chew in that same time frame.



So, since I've been lowering my nicotine levels very gradually for almost two years now I'm a little concerned that even the WEAK patch may deliver more nicotine than I'm getting right now.


Anywho, time to go SPIT THIS IKKY DISGUSTING CANDY CHEW OUT!!! (I hate sweet stuff!! I'm a bitter and sour type guy.)

Lulz

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No sirry BOB!!


I just happen to be BLESSED with a Micro Pigmy Penis!!!


BTW, Just say NO TO PEDO BEAR!!

Lulz

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NZT48

Ive quit several times, tried all the products out there. Patches gums ecigs cigars chantix.

For myself I was always a bad smoker.. Chain smoker. Sometimes I would put a cig out and feel like I wanted another one before I even let out my last drag. I just hate the feeling of being addicted like that. Almost strung out.

FeelsBadMan

For myself it seems easiest to just quit cold turkey like others have said. Get yourself in the right frame of mind. Outline for yourself the reasons you no longer want to smoke, and just bite the bullet.

I myself have quit successfully many times, and unsuccessfully others. Cold turkey wins hands down. But you also must have some kind of motivation. Girls Money Health all of the above?

For me right now whats keeping me clean is that I been lifting weights really seriously. Ive made some very very good gains. And a for a few months (like 2) I picked up smoking again. My gains all but nearly STOPPED! My high protein perfectly engineered diet fell apart almost instantly and my food intake dropped to about 1/2 of what it was.

Not only did my gains and food intake come to a screeching hault, but compound lifts like squat and deadlift are some of the most important to me.

When I would deadlift the few weeks I started smoking again. I would be so close to blacking out sometimes I would have someone stand by me incase I would need some help taking a seat. I would get SOOO lightheaded from all the blood rush on the first few pulls. One time... the first heavy pull when I was pulling all the lights and my whole vision where flashing like a strobe light. made like 20 pulses in 4 seconds. Pretty crazy!

Since I gave it up again like 3 weeks ago. Ive started putting on mass very fast again. Added 30lbs to my dead lifts, and chances are I will ripp my back out before I blackout, unlike before when I was oh so close to actually hitting the ground from the blood rush.

Its a shame that smoking is so unhealthy. Because ive always enjoyed the act of it, just not the nasty effects.

I want to be a beast, dead lifting working sets over 500lbs someday. I wanna live well, eat well and take care of myself. I wanna have the quality of life ONLY a none smoker can have.

I try to picture myself being a GREAT success, The person I want to become. Is that person strung out on nicotine, and smokes nasty deadly tobacco products . FUCK NO! He gets money, fucks bitches, can run like a 120lb african sprinter, has the reflexes of a cat and has the strength of a fucking silver back gorilla, all without breaking a sweat.

Rusky

When it gets hard; gym and sauna/steamroom if you're into that sort of thing really helps(perfect for gay webmasters). Health should be a good motivator to quit anyways.
In my opinion we don't quit habits, we just replace them with new ones.

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Rage9

Honestly a good workout or the Gym just make me want it more, I have no idea why. I have been smoke free completly for like a week now. The hard part is getting through a night of drinking.

I think everyone that has posted in this thread, it's good to know that there are others here who have been though it. If you ask any ex smoker what the hardest thing they have ever had to do is, I would think they would would say quite smoking. As others have alluded to you can, and do get these crazy feelings or dreams about it. As stupid as that sounds been there done that.

Honestly I'm just so sick of smoking that it had to be done, no matter the cost.

Gone the ecig route, worked but takes a while. Gone the gum route, never worked. Best, shortest route, is just to try and battle through a few hell days, get down to just a couple cigs a day and be mentally focused and just stop.

Those who say to "just quit" must not have ever been regular smokers, because I tell you what, it just doesn't work that way. Well for 99% of people it doesn't work that way. If you could feel the same feelings as someone quiting, I guess I would call it anxiety, you'd understand. It's a constant battle until you can gain enough control to fight it off, and at the end of the day it's all in your head.

Thanks to everyone else for their own experiences.

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You know it sounds funny, but once you quit, one cigarette can bring you back in a blink. It's almost discussing. You play this mental game of chicken, like "oh yeah I can handle a cigarette or 3 no problem I've been off them for months". Before you know you it you have a pack in your hand, because you want to just have a cigarette here or there when you drink or some other stupid reason. Before you know it you're back at it. I honestly don't know how these things haven't managed to be illegal while weed is. Whatevers.

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I know. I quit for 3 months or so once, and then I was at a stag, and I had one, and next thing I knew I was down at the Sev buying a pack, and another 6 years of smoking followed.

When I quit last, I didn't have much of a choice. It wasn't whether or not I wanted to quit, it was whether or not I wanted to end up in the hospital.

Pretty easy decision to make and stick with when shit gets real like that.

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blogspotter

I also quit one fine day. I have to smoke when I take my dump first thing in the morning. So One day I said fuck it and quit. And I now smoke, like once in a couple months, only when I am doing second hand smoke too much, like in a pub or something, because why not smoke while you are at it. I never want to go back to it, but one smoke never got me back to my habit.. I was only doing about 10-15 a day though, except when I had an exam..

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WingAndAPrayer

Pro Tip: Every time you feel the craving, do 10 or 20 pushups or run around the block.

As soon as you're out of breath the craving will disappear, and you'll get healthier in the process.

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nickycakes

Oh yeah, totally forgot to mention in my post. Exercise. Start running. Mad relief.

JRose

Exercise is great for helping to quit smoking, but running..........ugh. Running after having more than a decade of tar built up on your lungs is no goddamn fun......AT ALL.


In general though quitting smoking blows goats nuts. I've "retired" from smoking too many times to count, only to re-emerge as often as Jordan did. One time I had been nicotine free for over a year. All it took was one crazy night at the bar and the next thing I know I was putting up smoke signals you could see a mile away. It disgusts me how little willpower I have over those damned things.

Drinking on the other hand was easy. I used to drink all the time, largely due to my college years and later, hitting the pub after work with the work peeps. Then I started dating a woman I can only call a raging alcoholic. Needless to say this didn't curb my drinking any.

After a particularly crazy night with her I finally was just like, I'm done. I dropped her and about three months later I quit the job and started writing full-time. Once I did that and started writing and researching for like 14 hours a day I didn't even think about drinking. I'll probably have a rum & diet or a beer about once a month nowadays. Except for the week I'm at Lollapalooza, that's a drunk fest and a half with the boys.

Now if I could just stay off the cigs it'd be great.

Back in the day my grandpa (who'd smoked for like 50 years) just put his pack of reds down on the kitchen counter and never picked up another cancer stick. He did start eating a fuckton of those red and white pinwheel mints though.

Rusky

Drinking is going to make it even harder. When I hang with my drinking buddies, its so hard not to have a smoke. It might be better to avoid drinking the first couple months. But thats just me.
Best thing to do is distract yourself. I like distracting myself with fun exercises; gym, bike, going to best buy, grilling.
Not sure if cigars help but its at least something to puff on.
Check out willpower - . Its a great book for managing disciple.

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gseki

Once you start believing that smoking is the punishment and not smoking is the reward, life becomes infinitely easier. The same concept can be applied to procrastination, drinking, sleeping with crazy women, etc. The book is totally worth it.

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Instrumentalist

This might sound strange, but I'm being dead serious. The thing that worked for me was I kept telling myself "I'm sorry that I smoked in the first place. Please forgive me." Somehow it's easier to quit once the guilt of smoking isn't looming over your conscience. Don't ask me how it works, but it did like a charm for me.

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