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Also this video from Tom Woods released today, which I'm sure was released before RP (or his people) made that status update, but seems appropriate..

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ly2 from WF

If he endorses Romney I would be fucking speechless.

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lose lose win

This shit is getting more gay with every passing minute.

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dreamache

If it happened I wouldn't give much of a shit. I know what I believe politically/socially and him switching sides wouldn't affect that one bit.

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JarredLv

Fuck Romney

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Andrey

Pauls sold us out.

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crackp0t

It wouldn't effect how I feel one bit either, but I sure would feel like a dumb ass for thinking he was one of the few politicians that didn't need to be shot*.






*I'm not advocating anyone shoot a politician or anyone for that matter. If you do you're a dumb ass.

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cougarclaws

Rand explains the endorsement on The Peter Schiff Show:

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guerilla

You can't fix government. To quote Bastiat;

Believing in government is worse than believing in God. We can't disprove the existence of God, but we can prove that government is logically inconsistent and morally corrupt.

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barman

So not gonna support Gary Johnson? A libertarian?

Where is your god now, Ron Paul fanatics?

Gary Johnson 2012

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stmadeveloper

Most RP supporters WILL vote third party. Because they at least aren't sticking their heads in the sand with the problems of a 2 party system the way it is now. Might be a wasted vote - but most RP supporters really don't see a difference between Obama and Romney either.

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music4mic

Yeh, I doubt many RP supporters will vote for Romney, I know I certainly won't. I'm still awaiting some interesting shit in Tampa though, which is what I've said all along. We'll see what happens. I'm certain that if Rand had just waited until after the convention this wouldn't have been half the big deal it was.

That said, this is Rand's interview with the dailypaul.com radio show, I think he explains himself a little better here than he did on Peter Schiff's show.

I still don't agree with the endorsement, because of 2 main reasons:

1) He can try to paint Mitt Romney as "Not so evil" all he wants, but the guy is bought and paid for by the banks, he's a politician, he will lie, cheat, and do whatever it takes to get into power. He's not an OK alternative- he'll probably be worse than Bush and he will continue to spend this country into death, period. It's not OK to endorse that, or to say that's a viable alternative to Obama, because it's not.

2) Rand may be trying to get good legislation passed, but in reality anything that he does get passed will probably be so watered down by the time it makes it through both houses that it will pretty much be meaningless. A better strategy would have been to keep inspiring people, especially younger generations, through integrity and honestly and fill congress and the senate with amazing people. You can't be a politician and a hero, you have to choose, and I think he made the wrong choice. That doesn't mean, by the way, that he has to call Romney names or be a dick to other senators, it just means he has to stick to his guns.

That said, the liberty movement marches on with or without Rand. My only fear is that he turns the liberty movement into another tea party, which gets taken over by the media and manipulated into something meaningless.

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Moxie

Rand still talks about them like they are one and the same. I'm sure he's aware that Fox News and friends changed the tea party, but ignoring that might be part of his strategy to get people united.

Being linked to the tea party might help to become the republican nominee, but I think it hurts in the general election, as many independent voters view the tea party as a bunch of whack jobs.

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AdHustler

I dont like him that much but I like that he stuck to his guns even in an impossible situation like that was

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dreamache

haha, I assume in much the same way that I like when my 2 year old daughter sticks to her guns about there being 1 eminem instead of the 2 that sits in front of her face? It is amusing indeed.

music4mic

Yeh, that's basically my point. I guess my wish is that if he's going to play the game this way, he just detach from the liberty movement entirely. He can still continue to work on good things and I'll appreciate him the same way I appreciate Senator Wyden or Rep. Kuccinich (and other congressmen and senators that have good intentions, but manage to miss the mark)- from a distance.

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lukep

So much fail in this thread.

Ron did well in Texas & Arkansas this weekend, AFTER Rand dropped his bombshell.

Things are moving forward very well for Ron, and only the people who LISTEN TO THE MEDIA think otherwise.

Wake the fuck up, sheeple.

scottspfd82

The difference is we (technically) don't have a choice. "I don't believe in you" won't fly when they're hauling you off to be detained indefinitely without trial.

I don't get why people paint Ron Paul supporters as "fanatics".

Are you okay with financing perpetual, for profit wars that kill, injure or otherwise harm millions of people for the benefit of the few with your tax dollars?

Are you okay with a government that wants the right to detain its citizens indefinitely without trial?

Are you okay with a government that's hellbent on bankrupting this country because they have a license to flood it with counterfeit money?

The prison system. The drug war. Obamacare. Murder. Fraud.

Every fucking thing the government does is WRONG. It's morally bankrupt. It hurts and kills innocent people. It's fucking corrupt at every level, anyone who's okay with that is a lot more "fanatical" than people fighting to change it IMO.

I'm hoping for 4 more years of Obama. Maybe this whole fucking system will blow itself up and I can enjoy the fireworks.

@LukeP - This could be interesting too... Ron Paul Civil Rights Lawsuit

guerilla

Right, but think about. You're being forced to participate in a delusion.

That's gotta pucker your sphincter.

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scottspfd82

Yeah, it does.

So does FB disapproving my ads. I deal with them both the same way, say "fuck them", don't let it bother me, stay under the radar and go about my business.

guerilla

I won't say it doesn't bother me, but I agree with the rest. All you can do is live well.

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DTAlexONE

Amen

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It is the result of a whisper campaign that hit mainstream and has gained momentum on the back of intellectual laziness. If enough people say Ron Paul is "kooky," "a lunatic," or "crazy as a loon," others think saying so is appropriate, and do it themselves (i.e. social proof). It's a short leap to color Paul's supporters with the same brush.

A similar thing happened to B.F. Skinner. About 60 years ago, people said his work on behavioral conditioning was fascist.* Today, we see it applied everywhere, from elementary schools to Facebook.

One day, people will say, "Good grief, the idea of state control was pretty stupid." Of course, few will remember to apologize for demonizing those who argue passionately for freedom.


* Dr. Spock, the pediatrician, was once asked what he thought of Skinner's stuff. He reportedly said, "I'm embarrassed to say I haven't read any of his work, but I know that it's fascist and manipulative, and therefore I can't approve of it." Nice. lol

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jryan21

This is the complaint filed Monday:
http://www.toolsforjustice.com/1_COM...%28JPRx%29.pdf

It is a class action suit against the RNC and what looks to be the state GOP's in almost every state. They are seeking (among other things) an injunction to unbind the delegates at the convention in Tampa.

lukep

If you want mass devastation, you should be voting for R$. Remember his career and his ponzi scheme? Clearly this is the man for the job of literally dismantling the nation. And he'll have twice as long to accomplish it in, too.

Me, I'll stick with Honest Ron. It's the least I can do for him after all the decades he's been doing what he does for us.


Yep, things are heating up nicely for old Prince Regus... I mean Rince Prebus? Whatever his name is... He's a dickwad and he's going down...

But that stuff doesn't get me nearly as excited is all the actual fraud at the polls they are starting to uncover. Sounds like they've got Travis county Texas dead to rights, hunting down the last couple affadavits now (won't take all day) that prove the fraud.

I know jryan is aware of this, but the most exciting news about this fraud lately is the deal with Anne Beckett. This patriot was an Election JUDGE, one of four who was overseeing the vote count at her district that came out totally wonky in favor of R$. The machine there that was supposed to send her numbers into GOP hq was TURNED OFF and the numbers that the GOP reported for her district said 70% R$, < 30% for Paul, which is exactly opposite of the numbers she saw with her own eyes that day... Especially since most people came in her district wearing Paul swag!

So she's working with LibertyPAC to do something about this... And now lots of other TX counties are noticing similar vote flipping, and people are organizing on the daily paul now to go out and get affadavits from people in those smaller districts to show the fraud. (Even in Paul's home county this should be easy to do with a halfway-decent door-knocking campaign one afternoon.)

So make no mistake, fellow patriots, the proof against the GOP is mounting high and we're soon going to find out how deep the conspiracy against Paul really goes... Will it extend to the TX Supreme Court? CA? ...I've got no idea... But it will be fascinating to find out, and of course the timing of it is key. We need to see some hand-slapping before the RNC!!!


Living well... Hmm... I interpret that to mean not being robbed by the Fed & IRS, not being raped by the TSA, not being surveilled by drones, and certainly not having my money sent off to the middle east to kill brown people with against my wishes.

Paul 2012 for "Living well."


Another word for that: Propaganda. This is how most wars are fought now, the MSM propagandizes the masses, exactly like this.

I remember they had me thinking Paul was a kook back in the beginning of 2007... I told my wife some stupid shit like "But he wants to do away with income tax and all federal money... He's therefore obviously insane." Lulz... Later that year I stopped watching the news and actually read some of Paul's stances. What an eye opener!

guerilla

Do what wealthy people do. Leave the US.

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lukep

That's Plan B... 5 months to decide.

I know hoping for liberty is a longshot, but the liberty movement is a factor of 10 larger and more organized than last time, and they are in fact getting the majority of delegates. (If you count all the stealth delegates bound to R$.)

So if the rules say that the delegates vote for the Nominee, (which they do) and Liberty has the majority delegates (Which we do) then at the very least I expect to see one hell of a brawl at the RNC, if not a full-on revolution, if Paul doesn't win.

guerilla

It's a no shot.

You can't vote for freedom. If it was a choice you have any control over, you would already have made it.

I am waiting for this delusion of yours to end. Hopefully without a suicide watch.

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jonas33h

I don't get it instead of bitching like little mountain faggots about lack of freedom and how it's all RP/Rand Pauls fault and threatening to leave the US because Thailand is 10x more free-er, be a reall fucking man and really stick to your principles and get your ass on a fucking plane to Burma with a couple of you freedom fighter faggot friends arm your selves with pistols and have all the freedom you want. . . . Shit is so free that you are free to take other peoples freedoms, shit now that is freedom. Now get to it.

pewep

Poor saps actually thought a politician was the solution to your problems rofl. You're worse than the cocksuckers I slang "Make $10,000 a week" rebills to.

lukep

Just for fun, G, let's say that Paul's got 1145 or more delegates on the first vote.

C'mon, what's your prediction? He'll get the Nom, but Obomba will destroy him?

He'll be assassinated there on the floor?

He'll suddenly have a shitload of slutty women come out of nowhere crying Rape?

Humor me... What is it that the establishment can do against the liberty movement right now when we are so large, media-resistant & organized?

The r3VOLution movement is about Liberty, not about Paul. I honestly believe if they blatantly try to destroy the man, the movement will destroy something they don't like in return... And they know it... Because they're the ones who are seeing the REAL votes people are making.


That's enough out of you...

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guerilla

Luke, the people who own you only let you have elections and tolerate Ron Paul because it keeps you from taking meaningful steps towards your own freedom.

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pewep

I've plucked birds for less

pewep

Leave luke alone guys, I couldn't stand seeing his heart broken lool. Shit would be mad depressing.

lukep

Sounds about right.

...But what happens when (as is obviously happening) the masses decide to DO something about their lack of freedom?

There's already several lawsuits here. Even reporters on the side of the liberty movement.

If something happens to stop Paul after 1144+ is counted, prepare to learn the answer to my question.

crackp0t

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guerilla

When have they ever done anything about their lack of freedom?

Maybe you have been spending too much time on the DailyPaul. The masses don't share your values or concerns.

Guess who owns the courts?

You gotta stop being so naive. The system isn't something you're a stakeholder in. You're a slave, and you in particular are playing the exact part they want you to.

Stop, for god's sake man, stop.

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A journalist shouldn't be on any side.

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lukep

You just haven't been paying attention at all this cycle, have you?

We're IN THE MAJORITY now G. The only people who don't think so here are still being brainwashed by the media, and that goes for a lot of Paul supporters, too.

The votes have literally been Flipped across the nation. There is strong mathematical evidence of this. Paul people turn out and consistently vote 50% to 70%+ in every state!

...And all of the people that worked hard to organize this are PISSED that it was stolen from them. Not just marginally miffed, but devastated... Dr. Paul gave each and every one of them a taste of freedom.

This is making things like AnarchoCapitalism an everyday word amongst the movement. You have to watch this video from one of our louder voices:


(This, by the way, represents my opinion on Anarchism and Politics in the USA perfectly.)

That's Adam Kokesh, who is an AnCap & is basically the "general" of the r3VOLution's "Army." He led hundreds of battle-dress soldiers up to the white house gate a couple of months ago shouting things like "End the Fed" and "Ron Paul r3VOLution," and he called Obomba out as a traitor to the country publically declaring he is no longer president to the retired troops of this country. -Next up he's leading the protection squad for our delegates in Tampa... They're renting a huge barge to get close to the action... Huge group of soldiers going to that, and of course one of the TWO Paul Fests we have now planned for the days before the RNC. (Because one state fairgrounds just isn't big enough.)

The drooling masses that are glued to TV and aren't voting at all? Sure, but I care as much for them as I do a dog turd on my porch... They're marginally in my way.

The Voting masses are LIBERTARIANS now... I don't think there are many R$ fools left, we've converted mostly all of them lately, and only the die-hard liberals will be siding with Obomba this fall.

Even a court can't stop an army.


Do you really believe they want people, nay, the majority of voters, to speak out angrily about their policies?

Like Adam said, the establishment is not giving us a ballot that allows us to vote for more freedom. It just isn't an option. And that's where they dun fucked up... To quote JFK:

Of course they shot him soon after saying those words, but those were in the days of total Media control over the masses. They believed the establishment's story about a lone gunman.

The 3VOLution is 100% Impervious to that trick. If something happens to Paul, I have no doubt at all there will be several buildings on fire in DC within hours.

Adevictus

Ron Paul probably would have died before ever making it into office, the man is a fossil. He knows he won't be around for much longer so probably sold out to secure his son's future.

lukep

Jesus H Christ you're a lowlife troll.

teguh123

We can't proof God doesn't exist. We can proof that girls are whores. We can proof that free market work.
We can't proof that religions are wrong. We can proof that feminazis are wrong. We can proof that socialism doesn't work.

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We can also PROVE that you're an idiot.

pfgannon

I can't tell if you're a troll or just a total fucking moron, which leads me to believe you're a troll... Congrats on a job well done.

Luke, you need to take a step back, bro.

I think Guerrilla pretty much hit the nail on the head, as usual, but I'm going to attempt to address a few of your points. I don't mean to be harsh, but god damn, man.

I really do hope you're right about the election, at the very least, it will be exciting. Even though I don't think it will have any lasting [positive] impact. However, from an outside perspective, you come off as borderline delusional.

Exhibit A:

So essentially, you know something (that relies on billions of variables) is true with 100% certainty, and everyone else must be brainwashed. Guerrilla, you should really stop watching all that Fox News. :faceplam.jpg:

People involved in the liberty movement do not make up the the majority of voters in the country. Not by a fucking long shot. Informed voters, probably, but certainly not the majority of ALL voters. You've said it yourself, most people don't even know what the fuck a delegate is, so how does 50-70% of HIGHLY-informed voters translate into an election win? I don't have any numbers to back this up because, frankly, I don't give a shit.

As for worthless anecdotal evidence, I've got boatloads.

I can't remember the last time I had a political conversation with someone in real life that wasn't a total propagandized moron. Sure, most people are spoon-fed bullshit by the MSM, but that doesn't change the fact that they make up the voting majority. No matter who gets the nomination, you can bet that MTV and the like will be campaigning to get people out to the polls on election day, and the sheep of this country will heed the call en masse to ensure "that old white dude" doesn't make it into office. The sheperds are quite experienced at herding their flock to the slaughterhouse.

True, but the most advanced army can. And I already know what you're going to say...

This is also false. After all, the military is probably the most brainwashed segment of the entire population. RP gets more military donations, but that's because the rest just take orders without any independent thoughts of their own.

They couldn't care less because there ain't shit anyone can do about it.

Unfortunately, most people don't define freedom in the same way that we do. Obama and Romney both give people the option to steal from their countrymen, and that's more than enough "freedom" for most people.

Not having Ron Paul around will be a devastating loss for the movement. However, playing the State's game [of aggression] would hurt the movement even more. In fact, violent revolution is a sure-fire way to guarantee we have a government ready to be put up in it's place.

You should check out the podcasts at FreedomainRadio.com if you haven't already. Stefan doesn't always hit the mark 100%, but I do believe his analysis and theory on how to achieve statelessness to be pretty spot on.

You and I should also chat some time.

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guerilla

Luke doesn't deal in philosophy, economics or principle.

Luke is a nice enough guy, but he has increasingly become nuttier and more deluded with every post. On the one hand, I like having anarchist buddies, but if that guy thinks state political action is somehow going to lead to freedom, he's not only not an anarchist, he's a flaming statist.

You're not ready for this level of cognitive dissonance.

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As much as I would like to think that something better would prevail Luke, I tend to side with the others on this now. Not because I think his message is wrong or anything - I love the way he thinks, but it isn't going to happen. The masses don't want it regardless of what the die hard think. The masses want their social security, their free medical and any other benefits that come from the government - regardless of where it comes from.

The government has made the masses dependent on them and they know this will keep the way things run following the status quo. Feed them to make them malleable and compliant, with what isn't theirs to begin with.

Liberty and freedom cannot be won in the current system, not in any system if we are to be honest. I think liberty and freedom are exclusive from any system of governance in their true forms.

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lukep

Fine, I'm going to step back.

I realize that the sad fact is I can't know. I'm speaking on Reasoning here, placing evidence I got from one place together with evidence I got from another and making a conclusion. I'd be too far gone if I couldn't see that there is still some room to be wrong.

Fact: There is a chance Paul could not have enough delegates, and there is a chance that most voters aren't flaming Paulbots. -I Doubt both, but only time and the passion of said flaming paulbots will tell.

Sorry for scaring you guys, but sometime Guerilla just disappoints me in the way he can't see that a little more freedom is a good thing worth working towards. (Not that he won't DO it, but that he can't SEE that it's a good thing.)

About freedomainradio, I have caught a few and I plan to catch some more. I will always work towards a state-LESS society, but personally I feel that its' not possible in my lifetime without something like a moonstead so I'm not going to work hard my whole life so some future generation achieves it... That's not unreasonable, is it?

I'm just settling for as much freedom as I can get for now... Just like Adam spelled out in his video above

He identifies himself as an AnarchoCapitalist/Voluntaryist... Is he wrong?

lukep

That hurts bro.


There is one occasion in which I think political action can somehow lead to MORE freedom... Not the ultimate freedom of stateless society, of course, but more freedom for say, 25-100 years before this country falls back into the same old trap.

That occasion is very specific, very contrived, and it is apparent to me that Dr. Paul has been working for multiple Decades now to bring it about.

I'm I a statist for wanting him to succeed?