schockergd

At a minimum, Democrats in New York State do.

Recently, a republican state senator released the full list of original demands by NY state Democrats. The list of requests included confiscation of all firearms they deemed as "Assault weapons" (About 80% of firearms in circulation) along with criminalizing anyone who they found owning them. Additionally, you would also be made a criminal if you owned more than TWO low capacity magazines.

Confiscation of firearms in NY missed by narrow margin

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dmnEPC

total criminals

zimok

How many hits do each of these threads bring to your website on average OP?

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dmnEPC

Not nearly enough

BigWill

IMO What they really fear is a revolution or chaos. Not murders. They don't want people to have assault rifles if they for some reason have to begin onshore military action again the citizens.

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Unarmed Gunman

Exactly.

If you really want to piss off your liberal friends, ask them why they only care about gun control when a school of white kids gets shot up causing them to demand a ban on the gun used, but they never call for action when hundreds of black kids are killed every year in US cities by handguns.

lol that makes them rage like a motherfucker.

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schockergd

Not much, 300-500

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Meatytreats

I think this is true to an extent, but in reality, what is your assult rifle going to to do, if they show up with a tank, helicopter or jet to your neighborhood?

amateursurgeon

^ this also makes them rage

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Rage9

I always find it somewhat humorous when people say this.

I guess look at Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Didn't exactly win those wars. Obviously military and technological superiority does not in itself indicate clear victory. Everything would fall in to a long drawn out guerrilla war.

You're also talking about soldier being told to attack their own country men, which in itself will create quite a few defectors.

The US population is around 315 million, vs service members 1.5 million active, and 1.5 million reserved, roughly based on old data.

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Am I the only one who has to fight back a rage fit when assault weapons and assault rifles are used interchangeably?

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Yuma504

We also can't ignore the fact that our military is overburdened and stretched rather thin across the globe right now. For those of us that don a tin foil hat from time to time, it is very plausible that this is by design so that civil unrest would necessitate UN involvement to ensure that the "defector scenario" you speak of won't be an issue.

- UN demands small arms ban
- Obama head of UN Security Council (Obviously on-board with agenda)
- Zionists in Senate and Congress whip out ready made "gun ban" bills to introduce the day of tragedy.

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zimok

These laws are starting to make us(Canada) look good, and we don't even have a second amendment.

-We're no longer required to register non-restricted firearms as of last year.

-The mental health history expires after 5 years, after which you can acquire a firearm if you get 2 friends to vouch for you.

-We have a 5 bullet limit on non-restricted firearms larger than .22.

-Our handguns have a 10 clip limit.

I do fear that our government will follow the US in lock step with the more restrictive laws however.

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JakeStratham

The point is not to overpower the state. The point is to defend oneself from the state. What possible defense might an AR have against the state's endless supply of weapons. Not much. But consider this:

A government that slaughters its people immediately loses legitimacy. Even the staunchest supporters of government pause when people they know and like - including children - are killed while they are defending themselves.

Consider the Waco incident. (It is a fascinating episode if you haven't researched it.) By most accounts, the folks at Mount Carmel were well-liked by the surrounding community. Community members said they were friendly, helpful, and caused no problems. When they died under siege, the FBI and ATF, along with their bosses in DC, lost legitimacy - in the community and across the nation. So much so that they assumed a very low profile afterwards.

We have seen this numerous times in the last year in other countries. Syria is one example. From The Atlantic's In Focus on Syria in June 2012:

A few images with captions:




"This citizen journalism image released by Sham News Network taken on June 9, 2012, purports to show anti-Syrian regime mourners raising their hands as they carry the coffins of Syrian citizens killed by Syrian troops"




"This citizen journalism image provided by Shaam News Network, taken on June 8, 2012 purports to show a Syrians chanting slogans during a demonstration in the eastern city of Deir el-Zour, Syria."




"Demonstrators protest against Syria's President Bashar al-Assad at Kfr Suseh in Damascus, on June 12, 2012."




"Aida cries as she recovers from severe injuries after the Syrian Army shelled her house in Idlib, Syria, on March 10, 2012. Aida's husband and two of her children were killed in the attack."


To repeat, no sane person believes that keeping a few ARs in his basement will save him from an onslaught of tanks, drones, and other weapons unleashed upon him by the government. To think it is folly. To believe it is insane.

But that's missing the point.


* We know very little for certain about what is happening in Syria since journalists have been prevented from entering. It is also worth noting the rebels have reportedly caused considerable mayhem themselves. But the point I am expressing above - a state that slaughters its people loses legitimacy - remains sound.

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