greenvy

sweeeeeet....

btw anyone for some cheeseburger?

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johu

Jon - The fee sounds like a good idea overall, as long as is reasonable. I'd definitely pay around $5-10/mo for access (discounts for multi-month/year in advance subscription?), but $25/mo seems steep, even though I have gotten a ton of helpful information here. Keep in mind that even charging high prices won't keep the n00b/dp crowd out of here; After all, who buys those $97-497 affiliate/adwords ebooks & courses?

I think I figured it out, though - as long as you don't end the prices in 7s, the n00bs won't buy!

Raize

You can charge...but it goes against what forums are really about. I would rather make registration mandatory to view the board. That way everyone who's already here, some who've been since day one, get to stay. And, it means a lot less unregistered "guests" rolling through the hood...unless you need the money

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turbolapp

ug. I'm a little quesy now.

cashflowrusty

How about a NSFWhenthewifeisaround next time?

cashflowrusty

Oh, I have a positive cashflow, no problem there. I just need to implement some of what I have seen HERE. Have other stuff that works ok so far.

No one seems to want to buy my "Two Digit Secret" ebook though...

Emilian F.

Here's a line by paragraph take on Jon's persuasion techniques:

This is the old good guy/bad guy with a rescue attempt in there aka the hurt and rescue.

The bad guys are EVIL Facebook, bureaucratic Myspace, and secret Government. Oh yeh and those lame newbies trying to get something for nothing.

But don't be afraid.

Good guy Jon comes in for the rescue, ahhh. That makes me feel much better. BTW, can I pay for that? Heres my $25 for coming in and rescuing me from the evil networks!

Here we have a case of association: a positive association with the "good old WickedFire" that had quality, bash-a-thons and having fun. Awww, buy it is ok you can still have these old feelings if you pay $25 a month!

Here we have the negotiating tactic of "empty promises" - that is promises with a certain wishy-washy qualifier such as "may be", "most likely" and vague statements.

Notice the absence of absolutes: never, always and so on.

Suggesting the possibility of cheaper marketing in the future, and buying ad space on the forum makes paying for the forum much easier to swallow. TAKE MY MONEY JON!!

Well I am done looking but I am sure there are a ton more in the post.

T3hSh1T

Don't charge money

We're here to learn and share

nachoninja

more like a big montana from arbys

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beejeebers

Make the fee higher.

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Pussy pumps FTW!

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z00pedup

$25 is nothing! If you used 10% of the knowledge on this forum you would be making that each hour

My beef is why is the navigations still at the top? Newswire, Education etc.. Clearly thats a fallen dream of Jons..

Blackhat forum is doing prety well with a whopping $100 subscription fee.. Paid WF will result in quality content shared

Im for it

*yes, im back from the dead*

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johu

cuz it looks cooler than just the WF logo.

krazyjosh5

a fucking men. it used to be 80&#37; of posts were by people with >100 posts. now its 80% of posts are by people with <50 posts.

admittedly, i was an annoying ass noob once too. but damn ive gotten over those days real quick.

LazyHippy

Can I please just clarify one point please?

If I'm reading it correctly, as of the 1st of October signature links will only be allowed for paying members?

Think my auction might be dead.

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Already refreshing to see snap decisions instituted...or with a short timeframe.
keeps life exciting?


Why not just wait and see.
If you've been contributing and are an asset, you should be recognized.

If not, just move elsewhere.

Pretty simple equation isn't it?

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On the question of membership fees, imposing a subscription weeds out the weak and the freebie seekers.

more important than what you PAY, is what you will get out of it (eg. VALUE).

If you're paying $100/month and you use that info and make an extra $1,000/month from that, the $100 is cheap by comparison.

If you're paying $5/month and you get shit-all for it, it's still $5 down the drain...

Once subscription is levied, there're expectations of higher quality and I'm sure there should be more in the plans than just paying $$$ to have a private place to talk.

If there's additional content/software/tools or other useful shit coming with the subscription, the fees make sense...

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PreZ

I'll pay $100 a month if Jon writes one good post a month and by good post I don't mean the link bait on your blog. Money makers only.

yast

bs idea.
this forums content was made by people who wanted to share their ideas to other ppl,even noobs,FOR FREE
you did made the premium section,good,i guess it didnt work out shit,so now you make the hole forum paid,dealing us a load of bullshit reasons so you can bank on the work of others.
its not about the money,its about principle.

missiegreen

I love that this website is free it has given me a great deal of sanity just being able to come here and read what others have to say. Thank you....

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emp

I fear that I will pay the fee, because I like hanging out here, but I also fear there is really no compelling reason given for it (yet).

So far, it boils down to

• privacy
• weeding out the noobs

And I am not even all that bothered by the noobs.

Maybe an idea about prices will help people to make a decision.
Maybe more concrete content/advantages list.

And please, jon, no "planned features".
I only want to hear about content/advantages that are gonna be there the moment I sign up.

::emp::

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krazyjosh5

Jon, did you get my IM with my offer?

trollet

agree'd, i just got here and this seems kind of dirty. i wasn't here for the 'old' WF but i don't think charging people money to bring it back will work.

why would someone pay $ to be able to bash people, and most important why would i pay you $ so i can still view ads?

no bueno

Lord B

Well, I can't say about anything else but you will get buttload of domaining information inside the walled gardens. Now I am not comfortable discussing all that stuff outside the exclusive club at DNf because if it becomes public, it is no longer "insider information". Sure, you can't expect me to give out everything -- but you will find me talking about lot more stuff than I do now.

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I've never seen this happen in any free forum that became a paid membership forum and I've been involved in several. Maybe the affiliate marketing niche is different since there may be some actual, measurable, dollar amount value to what's being talked about. Hobby, political, and entertainment boards I've seen go this route, primarily to keep out noobs and trolls, became a shadow of their former selves within a few months, a year tops.

cashflowrusty

Three levels is what he said:
1) free - bash-a-thons and all that. ANY level members can STILL POST STUFF, so free users MAY STILL GET SOME STUFF TOSSED THEIR WAY..

2) Private - be able to speak your mind about new ideas you have. Reading posts without 1-Post-Wonders saying "I heared of Add Cents, How Can I Git Rich Drinkin' BEER?!?!"

3) The heavy-hitters - someplace I aspire to get to some day... Valhalla!


Ads within Level 2? Damn right, think REAL WSO's (speak their language so they understand). Great deals ONLY for the WF folk. Rather than someone posting every day "I write content" or "I create landingpages" or "I have PR links to sell!", they can put it in an ad, which 1) may have better ROI (more face time) and 2) keeps the 'noise' posts down.

Just my $0.02 (to be subtracted from my first months payment! :-) )

BlondeTM

page not found.

effin' page not found. all the effen time.

Unarmed Gunman

Won't be long now....

Wow, I really look forward to being able to pay money for more of this:

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You'll actually be paying for 6 of those, but the free members get it to.

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jstme

While I might not be able to contribute a lot of knowledge to the paid section when it comes, I will certainly gladly pay to be there reading and learning and contributing what I can.....only problem with that is 95&#37; of what I know came from reading here and gettin off my ass and testing till I got it right. If it were not for this forum and its members I would still be stuck around $100 a month .......I get that a day now.

trollet

i didn't want to bring this up for fear of ban but i think this will happen. look at seoblackhat forums, granted it didn't start off as free. it was lively for a bit but now you can hear a pin drop in there. it'd be a shame if WF followed the same trend, which is why i think it should stay free.


maybe you could have a paid membership to get discounts on tools and designs.

bgmacaw

The flipside is that any idea mentioned here is getting picked up by anyone wanting to attempt to turn a quick buck because the info is free and easy to find. For example, what happened with poll based email/zip submits or with Facebook. Protecting that kind of money making info with an entry barrier, at least for a while, makes some sense. Paying for entry is a little more 'democratic' than an invitation-only secret clique. And, as I mentioned, since this is about business that actually makes money instead of wasting time arguing politics, celebs/TV shows, or music it might work out better than sites I've had experiences with in the past.

agua

You've got to agree with that - its not often I pay for something which doesn't work

Why not do something like WSP - where you have to have a certain amount of posts, or contribute something to the site (script, article) and then pay a small monthly fee.

I don't see how charging a fee is going to keep newbies out - newbies have cash too, although I can see the benefits of things like the Facebook thread.

Personally... I've never paid for anything I couldn't talk my way into, and as you are a jew jon and well known for your love of barttering... I offer you $10 per month for my 0.34 post per day.

What do you reckon?

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I dont like $25 a month since now webmasterradio.fm wants to do the same thing.

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But I swear I never get page not founds. Even on crappy "borrowed" wifi connections from quarter mile away.

firewire

yeah, just go ahead and charge it in $ ........they are worth NOTHING

but the idea itself is ok, many german communities lost sooo much in quality, cause every stupid fuckhead with internet connections comes in..... that sucks so much

jened

maybe someone can step up to the plate and buy the forum for 16 million and keep it free?

trollet

that type of info should never have been posted in the first place, look at facebook, that guy shot his entire foot off by posting! i've never seen a paid forum that could keep its info a secret, it always leaks out.

LazyHippy

Ok, so this is happening on Monday. WF is based in New York, so midnight EST?

Any news on pricing yet?

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nope September 31st at Midnight

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LazyHippy

Apart from there only being 30 days in september, that's what I meant - 00.00 01/10/07 (EST I assume)

Although, knowing WF, it wouldn't surprise me if was to happen on the 31st of September!

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ohmichea

Can we do some incentivized offers to pay our way?

scubaslick

I've been aware of internet marketing for about 4 months now. In that time I've found a boat load of information ranging from the fucking retarded (a certain forum of warriors) to the overgeeked and useless (webmasteruniverse).

And here I find... some actual fucking information.

So there's a choice to be made. If you can't hack making decisions, McDonalds has a management program to take all thought out of your day. And they'll pay you literally hundreds of dollars a year to not think.

So, where's the real money made?

Just like in any business, the real deals are made in dark alleys and behind the scenes. You can wish it wasn't so, pray it wasn't so, even shout that it isn't so, but you're still just whining and wishing if you do.

This forum is just a place where people come to hang out: some of them are doers and some of them are YOU AND ME.

You can bet all the money that you aren't actually making that if you haven't gotten a PM or email from someone with some special information, a technique, a question or a trick, it's because you aren't part of the club. You only get to be part of the club by knowing what the fuck you're doing.

You only get to know what you're doing by using the information in places like this and recognizing the incredible generosity of those who do know and have a soft spot for those who don't know and share.

The information in this forum is worth millions to any and all who would take the time to read and apply it. Not millions per day, but if you don't see the long term value in what is freely available here, you aren't capable of running a business, which means you aren't allowed in the fucking club. Also, don't breed; the world doesn't need your ignorant fucking useless spawn taking up perfectly useable air and resources. You aren't special. The fruit of your fucking loins isn't special. Congratulations, your ovaries or testicles function. That makes you one of... everything on the fucking planet.

Is this me? Yes. I include myself because I'm not making millions yet, but there is ZERO doubt in my mind that I will because of what I've learned here in the last few weeks.

Paying for access would be worth it, but the reality is that those in the club don't need to pay for access and those without access couldn't buy their way in regardless of what they pay. You gotta earn it.

This price hike is a way to weed out those who aren't in the club... which oddly means everyone who isn't already in the club or -- and here's the really fucking important part of this post so wake up -- SHOWING SOME GOD DAMNED POTENTIAL FOR CONTRIBUTION.

Yup. That's right. You have to show some promise of being worth the effort of the people who already know what you want to know. If you show promise, they'll help you. If you show that you're a fucktard... you'll end up paying a monthly fee.

If you don't like the price tag, it's because you aren't MEANT to like it. If you like it, you'll never actually have to pay.

This is the secret key to the kingdom:

Like the changing room of the opposite sex in high school, you don't belong here unless you can find YOUR OWN FUCKING WAY IN.

/rant off

I'll pay. I'll hate it, but I understand that I don't deserve to be here; I have to earn the right to be here. You either earn it or pay for it. If you think you can do it any other way...

Jon

"Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one"

That quote truly showed it's ugly face in this thread... but most of them were good.

I'm actually kind of shocked. Partly because so many people are for it, instead of bashing the shit out of me for being a Jew, and the other part because there were so many of you who contacted me or other mods privately and suggested to make it way more expensive than we had originally planned for.

Here's how it's going to work.

The price is going to be set at $35.00 USD per month. (I put that in bold so you don't have to be annoying and ask "what's the fee?") Everyone pays the same fee.

But here's where we'll make it interesting, and hopefully not too confusing...

If you are recommended by a Moderator or you've contributed some good stuff in the past and aren't a moderator or Guide, we'll give you a discount or work out a deal with you (ie. more good shit for no fee per month). The same deal can work with programmers, designers, developers, etc. Anyone who can REALLY contribute and make a difference right away and keep it up, will get either a discount or a free pass. It will work on a case by case basis. If you don't have $35 clams to at least get your ass into the new section, don't PM or email me asking if I can do you a favor, because the answer will be a flat out no. There are TONS of other forums out there that are free. Goodluck with them.

I'm not doing this as a "wow I can get rich off of the members", I'm doing it because it's come to that time where a decision needed to be made a while back and I just put it off for too long. The quality was going to the crapper, our mods were getting irritated by annoying members. Regular lurkers and members were getting sick of these newbie idiots joining, asking questions, getting answers and leaving only to return for more advice or to leech off of more solid info.

The fee itself is a whole 35 bucks. Seriously. If you can't afford 35 bucks a month then you are not only at the wrong forum, but you're also in the wrong line of work. You're better off going elsewhere and weeding through the hoards of garbage that other forums produce every single day. Fail elsewhere. Most other forums that go paid, charge around $100/mo, so compare that with us and we're almost 3x cheaper and most likely 100x more active.

There won't be any sales page, because we don't NEED it. We're also going to cap the number of new paid members we accept every month. If you pay, and turn out to be a dickhead and abuse the rules, you're going to be kicked out, and we're going to take your cash and give it away. We're also going to keep tabs on people who paid and get kicked and pool the cash together and either give it all away to charity or give it away via contests for the members. Sucks for you. But just because you paid, doesn't mean you can act like a cockface or that we owe you anything more than what you're paying for.

So bottom line, if you pay, don't do it just to leech or because you think you're going to make it big overnight. Do it because you genuinely want to learn, because you're tired of nonsense posts, because you're willing to share better ideas, strategies and theories that you'd normally never post here or want other lurkers or engines to see, or a whole bunch of other ideas.

There will still be free sections here. Without a doubt.

Those sections will be: Industry News, Shooting the Shit, Buy Sell Trade, Now for something completely different, Newbie Questions, Feedback, and the Rules area (which is like the weather channel of the forum, because it gets boring REAL quick). We still may keep all of the sections and just pick and choose the ones we want to stick into the new area, but we'll play it by ear and see what works and what doesn't work.

The Mailers area is going to be seperate and will cost a lot more. Reasons for this is that a lot of mailers are saying that their section has the potential to go to shit really quickly and there have also been a lot of people abusing the information posted there. That wasn't the reason for it originally, so we'll decide on a price for that later after we finish the first move.

If you become a paid member, there are plenty of perks that I haven't listed yet, and won't list until we do the move, so that you can decide if it's worth it or not for ya. Honestly, you don't have to make a decision right away, but we're going to close paid premium membership at a capped number that the staff and I will decide on over the weekend.

Some perks that I will list are...
- Paid users get links in sigs without the nofollow shit; free members don't get any links or sigs. Suckers.
- Paid users can create new threads in ALL sections; free users may either be limited per day or won't be allowed to create threads in certain sections, or they will be severely limited.
- ALL paid users get free tickets to Affiliate Summit conferences and some VIP areas at parties during AD:TECH, SES, Affiliate Summit, SMX, etc. (although VIP is usually on a limited issued basis).
- ALL paid users get first access to tickets or limited tickets to our parties and/or events at conferences.
- ALL paid users get to beta our new services and tools/software that we make or others ask us to try.
- ALL paid users get promo codes for niche services/products that I'm securing at the moment for SEM/SEO purposes. Can also be used for reduced fees for some of the premium services other sites offer.
- Paid users can buy and sell services/products from one another without any free members gaining access to it, and since they are paid members, they already have a higher trust level than that of free members, so it should amount to easier and smoother transactions between eachother.

I'll post more info after the changes are made and we start to settle in. To those who have already made up your mind to join up, you get a high five right away for being smart. To those unsure, grow some balls and test it out you big babies. To those who don't think it's worth it, just remember that you probably spend way more cash on really dumb things that have never done anything good for you before.

Have a good weekend.

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Make it $24.95 and you have yourself a deal. I have children to feed. Wives. Cattle. You're going to make me a beggar under a bridge with your cunning barter skillzes.


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eliquid

Dude, I wanna sign up now.. causing know my luck ( like with Eli's Squirt ) the membership ran the fuck out before I could get in. I don't want to be that situation again since this is gonna be capped.

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trigatch4

As much as I HATE to... I'm going to hold off for now on the paid membership. It truly sucks because wickedfire is the first website I go to when I wake up and the last website I check before I go to bed. It's cocaine, crack and heroine for internet marketers. I guess the reason this place is changing is because it is becoming shwag. What a shame... because I still get more enjoyment out of this site than the vast majority of other websites... even if the percentage of useful information has slowed.

I HAVE gotten a lot of use out of this board. I've built relationships that, WF members section or not, I will continue to develop. But when it comes down to it... I know that WickedFire is the reason these beneficial "partnerships" formed to begin with.

I'm sure a lot of you are saying, "so if wickedfire has done you so well... why can't you spare $35 bucks a month"? Good question. I'm already paying for the squirt membership and to be honest, I can hardly afford that. I've done a little thing called OVERSPENDING and cash flow situation isn't as great as it could be. I have built a lot of equity... but equity doesn't pay the WF membership fee. And I don't want to sell.

I'll be honest with you... I'm a little bit drunk. And as we all know, the truth comes out when you speak your mind. I don't know where I stand in this community. I consider myself a jack of all trades. Unfortunately, that means I'm an expert in nothing. Not in PHP, MySQL, mailing, design, PPC, anything. I know a decent amount about alll.. but have I contributed enough?

That's what I'm thinking about more than anything. Because when it comes down to it, I am a real person. I feel like I've built friendships on this forum... even when the main interaction is "trigatch go fuck yourself you worthless piece of cock blowing scandaless whore monkey, gay vagina, thumb twiddling cock blower who eats butts for breakfast, dicks for dessert and thinks the sun rises and sets at his command."

Simply put... I would hate to feel like I am one of the douche bags who this system is trying to get rid of. But, in all honesty, I feel a little bit alienated by this thread. Probably because I'm in between... I don't have a side to take.

dsI am going to make it in this game whether you like it or not. I love to offer advice when I have the knowledge to instill. But being an idea person can often be a burden. I think of a million ideas a day but most of them I can't implement. The ones I know I will never implement - I share.

By the way... what ever happened to BlastYourAss? He was a 3 month wonder. If he was here you know he would start some ridiculous thread that garnered a billion page views and tons of responses. I think that's what I like abou this place... the dynamic personalities. But I've also come to learn usernames and often times in threads I will skip over everything and only read what the people I know have to say. I will miss those people when and if they leave.

I haven't (and won't) proof read this so maybe nothing makes sense. All I have to say is that I know there are a shit-ton of people in my boat who feel like they are part of a community that is moving on without them. It's a shitty feeling. For me, the void created by this incident will be filled with hard work... DO IT FUCKING NOW as many of us have quoted from SEOBLACKHAT will become much easier. Then the fruits of labor will be much easier received.

Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise. But if I may say ONE thing in closing... "I love you WickedFire. And I'll miss you... but hopefully not for too long."

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eliquid

so what is the point of your posting trigatch4 ?

just kidding

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A premonition from Jon about this back in April...

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jerxs

What a phony piece of shit! Jon your a fucking fag! I mean that.

You cock do you remember why you started your blog? Why you launched this forum?

" I just want to give back, I want to create a free resource for, blahh, blahhh, mother fucking blahh!!" I got pissed once and even suggested making this a paid forum, though that would be the wrong way to go seeings what the circumstances where surrounding its creation, but youve made so many other bullshit claims and attempts why the fuck not!

In the year and a half this forum has been up Jon you have fell short on every claim you ever made, you have also contributed shit yourself! Here, give me a niche and ill give you a keyword list, come on man. Give us another post on IBL's. Your full of shit an phony man! My only mistake was was actually believing that you were a straight shooter, otherwise I never would have joined this forum a year and a half or so a go.

Like all your claims and promises, this site isnt even close to being fully developed yet, I believe you were supposed to have the other areas done almost a year ago, in fact it was around the time of ASW LV that you said all the areas were done and they were ready to be launched, but nothing happened.

I could go on and on, as well as any other person that is real and has been around from the beginning, but I wont. Good luck you Jewish fuck! One day youll grow up junior and realize that being real is more important than putting a few dollars in your bill fold.

I really hope you reconsider, Id really hate to leave this board, but I refuse to pay shit to be a member here, just because of all the shit you talked about coming up from nothing and giving back to people freely and openly.....

I mean this forum was started for the newbs according to you a year or so ago, fuck it........

Good luck everyone! I had a blast while I was here and yes I do agree that the quality of posts has taken a huge decline, but it was still nice being part of one of the best "free" , ""open" and "uncensored" webmaster forums on the net, while it lasted.

Jer

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