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Old 09-26-2007, 11:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Vent Making money online blows

Everything about internet monetization starting to suck. Adwords becoming too expensive. People click BOT DONT BUY. Cpa companies and advertisers scrubbing the shit of your leads because the imputed email wasn't "fresh", keywords tooooooo competitive. One of my biggest sites has lost 50% of its traffic in the past three months due to gradual fall in google rankings.

Everything expensive and exploited. Too many scammers. too much spendism and competition.
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Old 09-26-2007, 11:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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youz madea funny huh

i am aware it hard but this blows
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What sucks is that to make online money you have to keep writing and filling your website/blog with fresh content at least once a week. That keeps the site fresh in the "mind" of Google. Sometimes copying other people's posts and changing them around works as long as the original author can't tell it's his. It seems like you have to keep changing things around to keep your ideas on your site new and alive.
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Old 09-27-2007, 12:36 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I suggest Indian content writers. They work cheap and you will rank for a lot of unique kw's with all their misspellings.
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Old 09-27-2007, 12:37 AM   #8 (permalink)
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All you people who think it too fucking hard... put yourself out of you own misery and go surf pr0n.
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let's be thankful that most people don't understand how to make money online
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it is easy dude, much easier than any other job i would say.
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I don't understand why people tell noobs it's not easy. It does take work. It does require a brain to understand what's going on in the world.

There are reasons why they have people at the drive-thru asking you, "Would you like ketchup with that?" If it was that simple, then everybody would be doing it. For that reason I'm glad, it's not that simple. I want to be proud of my work and stand out from the losers. Trust me I'm no baller, but I do work at my goals and my persistance to succeed is what makes me proud.

Unfortunately we're not living in a utopia. There are people here like myself who stay up all day and nights on various substances to get work done for a reason. It takes hard work and luck. Just keep working at it, nothing worth living for in life is going to be easy.

You have to actually like doing this type of work. If you're looking to get rich over night it's not for you. With me, I might not ever be rich, but I don't see myself quitting ever. It's all about passion. I'd rather spend my $1.00 on .10 a click on YSM than a lottery ticket; but that's just me.
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:58 AM   #13 (permalink)
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such is life...but people are still making more money than you can imagine (non-scammers mind you), so when taking a look at that picture, making a simple full time income is no big deal. break it down...

let's say that you're working a 9-5 shit job but making a decent amount of money...lets say $80,000/year which is above average. ok so what's it take to make 80k year...

simple math and it boils down to $220 profit AFTER taxes. then that's about $325 profit before taxes assuming your tax is 31% (fuck the government)...different places have different taxes. $325 really isn't that bad with all the shit you can do online to make money. it's easy to get a few niches making $100/day in affiliate marketing, then make some chump change with adsense (proxies are easy as hell). its such a small scale when there's people out there making $50,000+/day doing the same thing.
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such is life...but people are still making more money than you can imagine (non-scammers mind you), so when taking a look at that picture, making a simple full time income is no big deal. break it down...

let's say that you're working a 9-5 shit job but making a decent amount of money...lets say $80,000/year which is above average. ok so what's it take to make 80k year...

simple math and it boils down to $220 profit AFTER taxes. then that's about $325 profit before taxes assuming your tax is 31% (fuck the government)...different places have different taxes. $325 really isn't that bad with all the shit you can do online to make money. it's easy to get a few niches making $100/day in affiliate marketing, then make some chump change with adsense (proxies are easy as hell). its such a small scale when there's people out there making $50,000+/day doing the same thing.
Yeah, but there's so much more involved isn't there? With all the affiliates saturating every niche that's making money. Then you have to take your advertising, and investment into budget. Then finding those offers that will make you money. Then finding the right content to convert to your customers, testing and testing your ads/landing pages, standing out from your competitors. Using the correct ad copys, then keeping up with your PPC adgroups to keep your bids low and high CTR and QS. Tracking keywords, deleting irrelevant keywords, finding out how to increase your profit based on the converstion rates of your keywords, etc..etc.. I'm sure there's much more involved isn't there? Not to mention staying on top of the game and keeping up with the hot new offers that will make money.
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Go talk to the fucking mexicans who wait outside home depot, see if you'd prefer to be doing that. You fucking whining bastard.

Well you could start a forum and act like "oh yeah this shit is open and we speak our minds and cuss" and then a year later start charging for " the really good stuff, that way we can weed out the noobs and trolls "
I hear that is a really good business model from people here on the forum.
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Well said!

Oh and to those who complain about it becoming expensive to do this: You're spending way too much.

Think outside the box and NEVER give up.
Unless you WANT to work at McDonalds.
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To some people McDonalds would be easier, since it doesn't require as much brain power. You do your usual every day routine, get a paycheck at the end of the week.

In IM you consistently have to be thinking and working to stay a step ahead of the game, you're the only person responsible for your paycheck. it's not something everybody can do, thats why the OP is pissed.

I do think people can get lucky, such as I have, but luck and skill are completely two different things. Luck is only going to last so long, while skill is confidence which can last a life time.
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We have always had these things to contend with.

It's just a case of learning and moving on.

There are people making some SERIOUS money from affiliate marketing!!!
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Yeah making money online was not meant to be easy. Hell even working a 9-5 job isn't easy. If you can work a 9-5 job then transfer that energy to your online campaigns. Once you realize some success, you will see how hard work pays off.

Most of the guys making all the big k's, worked their ass off to reach there.
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I think I got that in a fortune cookie once...
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What sucks is that to make online money you have to keep writing and filling your website/blog with fresh content at least once a week.

You know it's funny, this stuff is the easy part to me. I can fill my site with content all day long. And for me it's fun, I really enjoy it. It's the programming and technical side that kicks my ass.

Which is why I outsource.

Eventually, I think I would like to partner with one of these madd hatters around here, who may be a little weak on the creative and communicative side.
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OMG, you mean you might have to work to make money?
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Everybody, it's easy to feel the way this guy feels. Go easy on him. In fact - congratulate him! One less person to compete with.

I'm all for helping someone make money online - I enjoy talking about it, I enjoy thinking about new ways to do it, and I enjoy trying new things.

I hate losing at it.

I really love when I wake up in the morning to check my CommissionJunction stats and I have a couple of sales and a new eBay signup. I really like when I refresh my Copeac statistics screen I keep in a tab on my browser and there's eight more zip submits. I even love it when I look at the AdSense notifier at the bottom of my browser and I see that my AdSense earnings for the day have increased by another .31 or whatever.

But again - I hate losing. So I know how he feels. I'm not about to attack him for giving up, and I certainly would NEVER mock him for whining and I would never ever point out to him that the worst POSSIBLE location for him to post a complainy message is WickedFire.

All I would say to him is: sorry it didn't work out for ya. Really I am. I wish you the best elsewhere.

Because I don't believe in wasting my time on someone who's lost the will to keep trying.

In fact I just wrote about something related to this in my blog. (Sorta.)
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I hear that is a really good business model from people here on the forum.
you nailed it. +rep to you bro
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:26 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Yeah, but there's so much more involved isn't there? With all the affiliates saturating every niche that's making money. Then you have to take your advertising, and investment into budget. Then finding those offers that will make you money. Then finding the right content to convert to your customers, testing and testing your ads/landing pages, standing out from your competitors. Using the correct ad copys, then keeping up with your PPC adgroups to keep your bids low and high CTR and QS. Tracking keywords, deleting irrelevant keywords, finding out how to increase your profit based on the converstion rates of your keywords, etc..etc.. I'm sure there's much more involved isn't there? Not to mention staying on top of the game and keeping up with the hot new offers that will make money.

Dude, you just described affiliate marketing...it's a job, not a snap your fingers and money rains on you type of deal. It does require some work lol but it's not that bad...sign up with 10 different networks and tell them all to send you a list of their top 20 offers, you will find there will be A LOT of similarities...
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:41 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Dude, you just described affiliate marketing...it's a job, not a snap your fingers and money rains on you type of deal. It does require some work lol but it's not that bad...sign up with 10 different networks and tell them all to send you a list of their top 20 offers, you will find there will be A LOT of similarities...
First of all I didn't mean to imply that it's a "make money overnight" deal, I know it's a a job, I've been doing this for past few months spending 18 hrs., a day 7 days a week.

What do you mean about asking networks for their top 20 offers and there will be similiarties? What similiarities? the same types of offers? dating and ringtones? What's so important about knowing this?
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Old 09-27-2007, 02:23 PM   #34 (permalink)
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What sucks is that to make online money you have to keep writing and filling your website/blog with fresh content at least once a week.
What?!? Who says you have to do just that to make money online?

I'm amazed at how many people think affiliate marketing HAS TO involve constant blog writing and constantly setting up and monitoring PPC campaigns..

Making money on the internet can be done in MANY ways. PPC-->A.M. is just ONE of many, many methods. Look around. Read around. Check out the blogs of Eli, Seocracy, and other renowned members here. Think unconventional. Who says you gotta follow the herd and only do this business one way?
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Old 09-27-2007, 03:41 PM   #36 (permalink)
 
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He is right though, I'd rather sit around in my underwear all day in font of the computer and not make any money...
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Old 09-28-2007, 07:40 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:24 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I have to agree with T3hSh1t... google shouldnt try to make a profit, they should dedicate themselves to us...
and why the heck do other people try to make money too and pay more for the keywords... they should let me have them all for 1 cent each.
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:40 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Oh well, if there weren't a zillion people out there who wanted bags of money dumped on their front doorstep with no effort on their part, half the offers we promote wouldn't exist. I guess a few of them will find their way here.
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:52 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Well you could start a forum and act like "oh yeah this shit is open and we speak our minds and cuss" and then a year later start charging for " the really good stuff, that way we can weed out the noobs and trolls "
I hear that is a really good business model from people here on the forum.
Don't call him a whining bastard, when you're the one doing that.

The forum has more content, data and archiving than even those $100 paid outlets on there. It has some of the best folks around who help in more than one way. All this only if you stop being a fuckin worseless fag.

You think Jon's gonna get rich with a 100 members paying $35 a month ? Fuck that.

And if you're on WF and think $35 is a big deal, you don't deserve it to be here mate.

To the OP, I couldn't agree more, things are going out of everyone's hands. Everyone is facing the noob attack TBH. At such time, rather than sitting with your head in your palms and thinking Online Money Making blows, why not sit back and think of other alternatives ?
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Old 10-16-2007, 01:30 PM   #41 (permalink)
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That is why you should get into multi-level marketing using the net. No competition and you wrok with teams while your incomes go up. Smae avenue on money making with the net.
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Old 10-16-2007, 02:21 PM   #42 (permalink)
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it's easy to get a few niches making $100/day in affiliate marketing, then make some chump change with adsense (proxies are easy as hell).
surprised no one called you on this. i think few people here would say it's been "easy" for them to make a few niches generating "$100/day". and if it's that easy, why screw around with proxies when you can end up banned from adsense for "chump change".
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Old 10-16-2007, 03:21 PM   #43 (permalink)
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surprised no one called you on this. i think few people here would say it's been "easy" for them to make a few niches generating "$100/day". and if it's that easy, why screw around with proxies when you can end up banned from adsense for "chump change".
As long as you don't put Adsense on proxified pages you're good to go. I've confirmed this with Google and have about 60+ proxies running for a while now. I also know a few people that run a lot of proxies with no problems. If you hear someone saying they've been banned because of having Adsense on a proxy site they're probably not giving you the whole story.
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That is why you should get into multi-level marketing using the net. No competition and you wrok with teams while your incomes go up. Smae avenue on money making with the net.
Now I see why you're upping your post count. Get ready for some MLM scams guys
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Old 10-16-2007, 08:29 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I feel sorry for you guys, but am in awe at the same time.

I have a relatively small competition pool, for an obscure niche of IT certification, and its like an e-battle every day trying to fight with about 5 or 6 real competitors. I seriously can't imagine what it's like for products/services/etc which can have hundreds of competitors, all using blackhat to get clicks.

The cream will rise-
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Old 10-16-2007, 09:09 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:40 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Who cares? I mean it's easy to understand that if there are heaps of people trying to make money online, then over time there will emerge a small number of highly successful people, a larger number of less successful people and a massive amount of people who haven't earnt anything. Survivorship bias maybe. Nothing to bitch about, that's life.
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I hear yah bro. You have to use less traditional methods to advertise your brand. Mainstream has gone to shit for sure.
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All you people who think it too fucking hard... put yourself out of you own misery and go surf pr0n.

lol or better yet go try and sell it Xrated Dollars
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Old 10-21-2007, 02:31 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Hahaha!

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